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Old 01-06-2022, 09:08 PM   #1
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https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/h...self-that-over

How to verify for yourself that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the COVID vaccines

Steve Bannon asked me to step you through it. I'll do that and tell you how this is validated using independent methods and also why VAERS was deliberately set up to make all vaccines look safe.


Steve Kirsch

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Definitions

URF = VAERS underreporting factor. This is the ratio (# events that actually happen/# events reported in VAERS). So if VAERS has 10 events and the URF=41, then it means 410 events are likely to have happened, but only 10 events were reported to VAERS.

Executive summary

This is the data we use in our computation:
  1. Known rate of anaphylaxis from JAMA paper published on March 8, 2021: 2.47 per 10,000 doses (A)
  2. Number of people who had at least one dose before April 1: 97.5M (see below) (B)
  3. Number of anaphylaxis cases on dose 1 in VAERS before April 1: (see below) (C)
  4. Today’s number of US deaths in VAERS: 9623 (Jan 5, 2021) (D)
  5. Largest number of deaths reported to VAERS in prior years: 223 (in 1994) (E). You can see this on the same red box page on OpenVAERS by mousing over each year.
  6. Number of deaths in VAERS in the US that mention COVID19 as a symptom: 2087 (F)
To compute the underreporting factor (URF), we solve the equation A=(C*URF)/B. This just says that “the rate in the clinical trial’ = “the rate in VAERS” (adjusted by the URF.

This means URF=(A*B)/C = 2.47/10000 * 97500000/583 = 41.3

To compute the excess deaths, we use deaths = (D-2*E)*URF = (9623-2*223)*41.3 = 379,010. The reason we took out 2*E is that we are looking for excess deaths and since people are seen twice, it’s conservative to double the total number of deaths in a previous year.

While it is possible that some of these 379K excess deaths could have been caused by COVID, doctors are very unlikely to report a COVID death in VAERS since everyone agrees that the vaccines do not cause COVID. Doctors don’t want to pollute the VAERS database with unrelated events and most doctors don’t want to report to VAERS because they don’t want to make the vaccines look dangerous: doing so would make them look bad for recommending the vaccine to their patients.

But to be conservative, anytime COVID19 is mentioned in the symptom field, let’s assume that the patient really died from COVID rather than “with” COVID19. This removes F*URF = 2,087 deaths * 41.3 = 86,193.

We are left with an estimated 292,817 deaths caused by the vaccine using VAERS.

Using 12 other methods, we estimate a death toll of 150,000 or more.

Therefore, 150,000 is a high confidence estimate whereas 300,000 is likely closer to the actual number.

About VAERS

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is the official system used by the US government to track adverse events from all vaccines. Many people are familiar with the V-Safe program since they ask you to enroll when you get the vaccine. If you report an adverse event in V-Safe, you’ll get a call from HHS and they’ll tell you to report that adverse event to VAERS. Many people don’t do that, or don’t know about VAERS or V-Safe, so VAERS is always underreported.

According to a paper analyzing this published in 2015 in a peer reviewed journal, the underreporting is by a factor from 9.52 to 95.5 times. See Why won't the CDC or FDA reveal the VAERS URF? for more details on this.

Understanding the VAERS URF

Computing the underreporting factor (URF) is thus crucial to understanding the actual number of events that are happening.

Using methodology approved by the CDC and data from VAERS and a paper published in one of the world’s top medical journals, we can compute an estimate of the underreporting factor (URF) of 41 for the most serious/obvious events reported to VAERS. I’ll step through the process of how I computed the value of 41 in detail later in this article.

The URF of 41 is a minimum URF; the URF for “less obvious” events (including death) is always larger than this value. So for example, if you had menstrual problems, peripheral neuropathy, or your cancer got worse after the jab, the URF for that event might be 100 or more.

For example, President Biden had peripheral neuropathy after his booster shot and that event was never reported to VAERS because his expert physicians didn’t realize that it is a very common side-effect of the vaccine.

Therefore, 41 is a “best case” number because it is based on anaphylaxis rates shortly after vaccination which are required by law to be 100% reported to the VAERS system. It doesn’t get any more “clear cut” than that.

What this means in practice is that if you see a number in VAERS such as 9,623 reported deaths, you have to multiply that number by the estimated URF (41 in our case) to get a lower-bound estimate of the actual number of deaths, in this case 394,543. However, not all those deaths were caused by the vaccine which I’ll explain shortly. But that’s how the URF works.

In general, it’s very simple:

Actual # of events = (# from VAERS) * URF

How CDC scientist Dr. John Su deliberately misleads everyone

The top expert on VAERS at the CDC is Dr. John Su. Dr. Su deliberately misleads the outside committees of the FDA and CDC by never talking about the URF at all. This allows him to report rates of adverse events that are 41 times or more lower than the true rates.

I’ve written about Dr. Su extensively:
  1. It’s time for John Su to go
  2. Dr. John Su isn't answering me. Can you try?
  3. John Su interview request
Furthermore, despite repeated requests, the FDA and CDC refuse to compute the URF which means it is impossible for anyone to compute an accurate risk-benefit analysis using the government calculated URF. They know exactly what is going on. It is deliberate fraud. This is why they don’t want to talk to me and will never debate me. An open debate would be their worst nightmare.

Because there is no URF computation from the CDC, experts like Dr. Toby Rogers use a value of 41 for the URF in order to calculate the risk-benefit for injecting kids 5 to 11. His conclusion: “For every one child saved by the shot, another 117 would be killed by the shot.” In other words, we kill 117 for every child we might save.

In short, by ignoring the URF, the CDC is deliberately deceiving the public; it allows the CDC to report numbers which are significantly lower than they really are, making the vaccines appear to be much safer than they really are.

So, for example, the rates of myocarditis they report are, in actuality, likely to be 50 times or more higher than they tell you. This explains how we can see myocarditis rates as high as 1 case for every 95 boys.

Why the huge spike in adverse events including death? Is it just overreporting?

Now let’s look at the numbers from Openvars.com which is a consumer-friendly website for looking at the VAERS data. The red-box summary page for domestic events (slide the slider at the top to the right) shows 9,623 deaths of Americans:



Also, note the deaths graph above. It’s a flatline for 30 years, then spikes up this year. In short, either:
  1. Everyone suddenly decided to start using VAERS this year and these are all background deaths (this is known as the “overreporting hypothesis” OR
  2. The vaccines are super dangerous OR
  3. A combination of 1 and 2.
The final bottom graph is a clue. The death rate peaks one day after vaccination. This is a hint of causality since if it were just likelihood to report, you’d see it exponentially decline from day 0.

If the vaccine were harmless, that fatality graph would be flat. It isn’t.

We also see dose dependency: the symptom profile after dose 1 don’t look like the results after dose 2. This is very difficult (some would say impossible) to explain if the vaccine had no effect.

For an in-depth discussion of why virtually all the deaths are reason #2, see Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America.

But the short story on why there is no overreporting is that:
  1. People’s behavior is really hard to change (even with massive amounts of advertising like they did in 2009 which didn’t change the numbers at all),
  2. There has been no campaign to try to encourage reporting to VAERS (in fact, we see exactly the opposite)
  3. Most doctors don’t know about VAERS or report to VAERS (in my interview with Dr. Kreitzman, for example, he said he knew hundreds of doctors and none of them reported to VAERS).
  4. Most doctors truly believe that the vaccines work. Because they don’t want to make the vaccines look dangerous (which would then tarnish their reputation), they are simply going to be less likely to report to VAERS. I can’t tell you how many times I hear the story where a healthcare workers asks, “Did you report it to VAERS?” and the answer is “Of course not.”
  5. We can look at events that are not related to the vaccines at all like the reporting rates for hepatitis, metal poisoning, and otitis media. These are all nearly the same as previous years (metal poisoning is actually down this year by a factor of 5). So if it was overreporting, we’d expect to see these unrelated symptoms to be overreported as well.
  6. We couldn’t find any evidence of anyone reporting at a higher rate than before. In fact, we find evidence of the opposite, like a neurologist who needed to report 2,000 cases this year (she’s never needed to report to VAERS in her 11 year in private practice), yet this year she’s only reported 2 because it was too time consuming.
  7. We have data that supports the argument that VAERS is actually significantly underreported this year. For example, a doctor with 29 years of experience never had to make a VAERS report before now has 25 cases to report (in around 1000 patients). This is a 725-fold increase in adverse events compared to past years. Yet VAERS this year reflects only around a 30-fold increase. You are welcome to do you own survey of doctors to validate this. None of my detractors ever do this, including the FDA.
They never show us any data to back up their claims of “oh, this is just because people are reporting more.” And none of the so-called fact checkers ever ask them for proof of that. So the overreporting hypothesis is simply a hand-waving argument with no evidence to back it up.

The bottom line is this: a conservative estimate of the number of deaths caused by the vaccine is:

(9623-2*223)*41.3 = 379,010

To be more conservative, let’s assume that anyone who had COVID and died, died from COVID. So we remove 2,087 deaths * 41.3 = 86,193 and are left with

292,817 American deaths caused by the vaccine

In short, the US government is responsible for the killing of hundreds of thousand of Americans and not a single member of Congress is calling for a stop to the vaccines. That’s really stunning.

The argument that correlation isn’t causality

Scientists love to argue that correlation isn’t causality.

But we can show all of the Bradford-Hill causality criteria are satisfied.

But it’s simpler just to point out that the excess deaths are there and they are huge. If it wasn’t the vaccine that caused these people to die, then what did?

Nobody can answer that question.

How to calculate the URF

We showed how to calculate the URF in the summary at the start of this article.

How to validate the results

We validated the calculations by estimating the excess deaths 12 different ways that didn’t involve using VAERS:
  1. Excess CFR analysis
  2. Excess death analysis
  3. Small island study
  4. Norway data
  5. Poll #1
  6. Poll #2
  7. Doctor survey
  8. Pilot data (British Airways)
  9. Scotland data
  10. Columbia university excess death analysis using public datasets from US and Europe
  11. Indiana insurance company excess death rate 40% increase in 18 - 64 year-olds
  12. Pfizer 6 month trial all-cause mortality data (21 vs. 17)
Each of these methods found an excess death rate of 150,000 or more. The methods are detailed in this document.

This is why when I talk about the deaths caused by the vaccine, I almost always use the 150,000 figure since it is the most conservative, but my closest estimate to the true number is 300,000 at this time.

The statistics used in the executive summary

Here is the backup for three of the numbers used in the executive summary (B, C, and F). The other numbers are directly available at the website referenced in the summary.

B:


C:


F:


Why are the authorities so afraid to challenge my methods?

No recognized expert on the pro-vaccine side will debate me or any of my statistics and VAERS experts on this. Nobody.

Eric Topol blocked me. The FDA and CDC don’t answer. Even when a former NY Times writer asked, they refused to discuss it with him (so it’s nothing personal). I couldn’t even get a debate with ZdoggMD or Your local epidemiologist. None of these people wants to appear on camera to challenge me on this.

UPenn Professor Jeffrey Morris said my number was wrong, but he admitted he was clueless as to what the number was. Only that it couldn’t be that high. Really? How can he know that if he can’t calculate the number and is clueless himself on how to estimate it?

I point out that I used the methodology of the CDC, I used the death count from the government database, and I used anaphylaxis rates from a study in JAMA. So if I made a mistake, where is it? No answer.

I’ve invited Professor Morris to a live video recorded discussion for everyone to see, and he refuses every time. I’m just a lowly engineer with a couple of degrees from MIT in electrical engineering and computer science. He’s a professor and Director of the Division of Biostatistics at UPenn. But he’s afraid of me. Here’s more on Professor Morris.

Gordon Cormack, a computer science professor at University of Waterloo, loves to argue that he disagrees with my methodology. Hey, I’m just going by the CDC’s methodology and using the most accurate numbers I can find. I’m fine with being wrong if he would just show us all the correct answer. But he never does. Here’s a typical response that I send him:
Why don't you show me the proper way to estimate the number killed by the vaccine, and then show me 12 independent ways that validate you got it right? What is the number YOU calculated? And if I got it wrong, why not claim the $1M prize I offered on correcting Mathew Crawford’s analysis?
Gordon responds it’s impossible to estimate the number killed. OK, then how can he be so sure that all these calculations by different people using different methods that come to the same answer are all wrong? Well, he can’t. And when I offered to debate him on camera with my standard rules (which are completely fair to both sides), he declined and didn’t propose modifications to the rules. He clearly is not interested in a live debate.

Stay tuned for Part II

In Part II of this article, I’ll delve into the history of VAERS, why it is set up to fail, how the CDC sabotaged a “better VAERS.”

For more information

For more information, see Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America.

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I'll take my chances. Kirsch takes the highest estimate he can find of anaphylaxis incidents from COVID shots. Then uses that to ramp up VAERS deaths and concludes that 379,000 people have died from the COVID vaccines in the USA. Methodologically that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's comparing apples and oranges. Put another way, it’s got to be a lot easier to overlook an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) than a death when health care providers are reporting to VAERS.

Furthermore he doesn't take into account that VAERS deaths are actually probably overstated. Health care providers are required by law to report ANY serious adverse event following a COVID vaccination, REGARDLESS of the suspected cause. So even if the provider believes a death was totally unrelated to COVID, he's still supposed to report to VAERS. This is not the case for other vaccines, for which providers are only required to report certain reportable events, like anaphylactic reactions:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/sc...iven-vaccines/

But no matter. Take Kirsch's high end estimate of 247 cases of anaphylaxis per million shots. Multiply by, say, 400 million shots for the U.S. population vaccinated to date, and 0.3% mortality rate (see https://www.jacionline.org/article/S...%20of%200.3%25.) and you come up with 296 deaths from anaphylaxis. You might have a few hundred more, tops, from blood clots, and over the long haul another few hundred from myocarditis and and pericarditis. Then, based on Norwegian studies, add in a few thousand deaths of old people who were at deaths door (and who would mostly have ended up dead from COVID the disease if something else didn't get them first). You'll come up with a number that the CDC would say is crazy high, but it would still be less than the number of deaths reported to VAERS, and it would be less than 1/100th of the number of deaths from COVID the disease.

I read somewhere that when George Washington gave smallpox variolations to his troops, a few percent died. But maybe 20% or 30% would have died from getting the disease.

Now you've got people who, on average, had less than a .005% probability of dying from the vaccine (and again the CDC would say that's ridiculously high) and they were afraid to take it.

This is history, or soon to be history though. Maybe around 85% of the population has immunity from vaccinations or infection. With Omicron raging most of the rest will be infected. They're die hards who aren't going to get the vaccine, and thankfully the Omicron doesn't appear to be as lethal as the other variants. So at this point who cares.

I do think Kirsch may be right about Fluvoxamine.
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The people who have to live with severe side effects from the vax care. The ones who died from the vax don’t care anymore. But their family members do.
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It's a witch!! Burn it!! That's how the DemonicRats react to observed data, especially when it conflicts with the myriad lies they were duped into believing. I blame on their poor physical conditioning. I mean, from running all over the field chasing the sprinting goal posts, they are plum tuckered out and have oxygen deprivation in their brain pan.
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So where are all the bodies from the 300,000 people in the USA who've died from the COVID vaccines? That's if it's only 300,000. Why_Yes_I_Do posted a link in another thread speculating tens of millions will die and 70% of the population (230 million) will be invalids because of the vaccines.

Three hundred thousand deaths would make the COVID vaccines the fourth leading cause of death in the USA, after heart disease, cancer, and COVID the disease. If there were any substance to Kirsch's claims the medical community would be all over this. But they're not. People aren't dropping like flies from the vaccinations.
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So where are all the bodies from the 300,000 people in the USA who've died from the COVID vaccines? That's if it's only 300,000. Why_Yes_I_Do posted a link in another thread speculating tens of millions will die and 70% of the population (230 million) will be invalids because of the vaccines.

Three hundred thousand deaths would make the COVID vaccines the fourth leading cause of death in the USA, after heart disease, cancer, and COVID the disease. If there were any substance to Kirsch's claims the medical community would be all over this. But they're not. People aren't dropping like flies from the vaccinations.
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I'll take my chances. Kirsch takes the highest estimate he can find of anaphylaxis incidents from COVID shots. Then uses that to ramp up VAERS deaths and concludes that 379,000 people have died from the COVID vaccines in the USA. Methodologically that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's comparing apples and oranges. Put another way, it’s got to be a lot easier to overlook an allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) than a death when health care providers are reporting to VAERS.

Furthermore he doesn't take into account that VAERS deaths are actually probably overstated. Health care providers are required by law to report ANY serious adverse event following a COVID vaccination, REGARDLESS of the suspected cause. So even if the provider believes a death was totally unrelated to COVID, he's still supposed to report to VAERS. This is not the case for other vaccines, for which providers are only required to report certain reportable events, like anaphylactic reactions:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/sc...iven-vaccines/

But no matter. Take Kirsch's high end estimate of 247 cases of anaphylaxis per million shots. Multiply by, say, 400 million shots for the U.S. population vaccinated to date, and 0.3% mortality rate (see https://www.jacionline.org/article/S...%20of%200.3%25.) and you come up with 296 deaths from anaphylaxis. You might have a few hundred more, tops, from blood clots, and over the long haul another few hundred from myocarditis and and pericarditis. Then, based on Norwegian studies, add in a few thousand deaths of old people who were at deaths door (and who would mostly have ended up dead from COVID the disease if something else didn't get them first). You'll come up with a number that the CDC would say is crazy high, but it would still be less than the number of deaths reported to VAERS, and it would be less than 1/100th of the number of deaths from COVID the disease.

I read somewhere that when George Washington gave smallpox variolations to his troops, a few percent died. But maybe 20% or 30% would have died from getting the disease.

Now you've got people who, on average, had less than a .005% probability of dying from the vaccine (and again the CDC would say that's ridiculously high) and they were afraid to take it.

This is history, or soon to be history though. Maybe around 85% of the population has immunity from vaccinations or infection. With Omicron raging most of the rest will be infected. They're die hards who aren't going to get the vaccine, and thankfully the Omicron doesn't appear to be as lethal as the other variants. So at this point who cares.

I do think Kirsch may be right about Fluvoxamine.
I keep hearing about this smallpox thing. Don't forget that John Adams had his family vaccinated (such as it was in those days) as evidence that it was safe.
Smallpox is infinity more deadly than Covid. Hygiene is much, much better than in 1780. Understanding of germs is much, much better than then. Washington was at war and his army was fragile. Hardly an apt comparison and disingenuous to boot.
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