COVID vaccine boosters

[FatCity]

Originally Posted by Tiny

your chances of dying from the disease are maybe 1 out of 100.

1 out of 100 ends in death, eh? Where did you get that number?

Originally Posted by Tiny

Why do you have to go through all that?

you must've missed the part about state reporting. You can make fake cards all day, but all roads lead to verified Covid Passports by way of state immunization reporting. As we speak, the Feds are putting together a National Immunization database because that did not exist before COVID. Every state reports differently.

You will need that record official

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FatCity

1 out of 100 ends in death, eh? Where did you get that number?

I pulled it out of the air, for the purpose of creating my Russian Roulette Covid Parable. Please note that I created the parable for people over 50. I'm confident the infection fatality ratio for the population as a whole over 50 is greater than 1%, or greater than one out of 100.

The infection fatality ratio for the country as a whole appears to be around 0.8%. It's hard to estimate after the first quarter of 2021, because a lot of people started getting vaccinated. I could be wrong, but don't believe antibody tests used in large seroprevalence studies distinguish between antibodies generated by the vaccines and antibodies generated by the disease. So after a lot of people were vaccinated, I believe it was hard to estimate the denominator in the ratio, which is the total number of people infected by COVID.

Anyway, this is not brain surgery. You take the total number of people believed to have died from COVID as of a particular date. Then you divide by the total number of people estimated to have been infected as of the same date, based on seroprevalence studies throughout the USA. As of February 28, 2021, this was about 0.8%:

https://reason.com/2021/04/02/new-cd...ously-thought/

I believe the CDC in its average planning scenario earlier this year was using 0.75%.

The number from your table for the USA represents an infection fatality ratio of 100% - 99.983% = .017%. This number is ridiculous. Apply it to the entire population of the United States, infected and uninfected, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and you'd come up with 56,000 deaths from COVID:

0.00017 x 332 million = 56,000 deaths.

Over 700,000 have died.

Originally Posted by FatCity

you must've missed the part about state reporting. You can make fake cards all day, but all roads lead to verified Covid Passports by way of state immunization reporting. As we speak, the Feds are putting together a National Immunization database because that did not exist before COVID. Every state reports differently.

You will need that record official

I'm not sure you're right. I'm pretty sure the CDC doesn't keep a record of who's vaccinated. There's no nationwide database, unfortunately in my view, because it makes it harder to travel in places like Europe.

I'd suspect McDingDong could get away with using a forged card, although if I were in his shoes I'd just get the vaccine. I'd question whether states would report a persons vaccine status to an employer. If that's an issue and McDingDong wants to be safe, he could say he was vaccinated in Florida or Texas.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/how-to-p...-for-covid-19/

[Strokey_McDingDong]

depends on plugins and players

[FatCity]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You take the total number of people believed to have died from COVID as of a particular date. T

https://reason.com/2021/04/02/new-cd...ously-thought/
Over 700,000 have died.
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that number is when they have counted EVERYTHING as a COVID death... give us the number without counting pneumonia, flu, or other cormorbidities

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm not sure you're right. I'm pretty sure the CDC doesn't keep a record of who's vaccinated. There's no nationwide database,

I said there is no national immunization registry. They ARE working on one. It is with the Department of Health, not the CDC. Every state has a Dept of Health and that is who gets a record of your immunizations. I have just repeated what I posted earlier. Relax and just try reading shit before you respond.

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'd suspect McDingDong could get away with using a forged card, although if I were in his shoes I'd just get the vaccine.

he could try the forged card, he should.
he doesn't want to put suspect foreign matter into his body that has the potential to fucking maim him and HE would bear the burden of treating it, not those responsible for the 'vaccine'. Can you blame him?
JUST GET IT, BECAUSE WHAT COULD GO WRONG

is a completely shitty rationale considering it doesn't even fucking work.

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'd question whether states would report a persons vaccine status to an employer.

I never said they did. However, if you can't follow where this is going, you'll always be 5 steps behind

[oeb11]

Tiny - I do not have published numbers - but feel the mortality rate for Covid in folks over 50 - is less than 1%
we have no idea how many asymptomatic /minimally symptomatic infections are never diagnosed.

Without that denominator - the mortality figures are useless
add to it the early hospital fudging all mortalities to covid - for financial remuneration from teh Feds.

It is a muddled mess - and an unanswerable question

IMHO.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by bambino

The truth and facts are in front of your eyes. Memes just put a humorous twist on it. I’ve posted videos from the Senate hearings. Real Doctors, real victims.

YR should be the last person to bitch about memes. He polluted this forum with his Nazi bullshit and pics of fat guys for years. Most from a gay porn site. It was disgusting. Thankfully, ECCIE put an end to it. But the Eccie staff said links from Telegram are permissible. You can listen to YR if you want. It’s obviously not hurting DFs computer.

if it were, my eset anti virus would warn me of it and put it in quarantine.

[dilbert firestorm]

oh btw, I got vaccinated. not because I wanted to, but was forced to keep my job.

[FatCity]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

lookin good, bro


How do you feel caving to peer pressure?
You went with the consensus despite what YOU wanted to do. You're more inclined to goad others into getting the jab now, aren't you?


You had options - you went the path of least resistance

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FatCity

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that number is when they have counted EVERYTHING as a COVID death... give us the number without counting pneumonia, flu, or other cormorbidities

OK, Then, you need to explain why 503,976 more people died in 2021 from all causes than in 2020, while the CDC said only 345,323 people died from COVID-19. Scroll down and look at the Table in this paper from the Journal of the American Medical Association:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2778234

This clearly shows they undercounted the number of people who died in the USA in 2020 as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Tiny - I do not have published numbers - but feel the mortality rate for Covid in folks over 50 - is less than 1%
we have no idea how many asymptomatic /minimally symptomatic infections are never diagnosed.

Without that denominator - the mortality figures are useless
add to it the early hospital fudging all mortalities to covid - for financial remuneration from teh Feds.

It is a muddled mess - and an unanswerable question

IMHO.

Oeb, You can google it and will convince yourself in short order that the IFR for people over 50, as a group, is greater than 1%.

This is the last CDC pandemic planning scenario that I could find, updated March 19, 2021,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

Scroll down to Table 1 and look at "Scenario 5, Current Best Estimate." They show a 0.6% IFR for the age group 50 to 64, and 9% for 65+. There are 55 million people over 65 and 57 million over 65. Do the math and that's a 4.7% infection fatality ratio overall. Actually, I suspect that number is high, but don't see any way you can get to below 1% in that population group.

I do not agree about the denominator. There were seroprevalance studies going in all 50 states, so we knew the % of people infected within the study groups, and could extrapolate to larger populations within the states.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FatCity

lookin good, bro
How do you feel caving to peer pressure?
You went with the consensus despite what YOU wanted to do. You're more inclined to goad others into getting the jab now, aren't you?

You had options - you went the path of least resistance

You're very smart, honestly. You've taken a losing cause and made a couple of claims that were hard to disprove. You've got a brain, please use it.

Anyone who puts his job on the line over a couple of jabs in the arm is foolish.

[FatCity]

this is an old message board forum. It is no different from any others like it, where users get drawn into this as a surrogate socialization tool and grow attached to their avatar/personalities. This is where the ridiculous tribal positions of our real world culture get entrenched to untenable scenarios because users fight for virtual clout / rep. If OEB takes a position of X then his online adversary has to take antithesis position Y, just because. Both dig in and slug it out page after page.

This is a fun exercise but it accomplishes nothing. Both have learned how to be a closed circuit, not taking in any new information, least of all a contrary opinion.
We passionately fight over Hill #2331 and claim victory when it appears we've 'won', but no one ever looks at the big picture involved. Why the hell are we in a land war in Asia to begin with?

Dilbert had been exposed to information, he wasn't ignorant. He was bullied into doing something he wasn't comfortable with but he did it anyway just to avoid the whip. Regardless of how you feel about vaccines or jelly donuts, that very concept of doing something by coercion let alone something EXPERIMENTAL that is going to alter your biological makeup and you're on your own if it fucks up should disgust everyone.

This thread, itself, is about the "vaccine" boosters / supplements because the infallible savior "vaccines" they were pushing 6 months have proven themselves inept. THAT should give people reason to pause, back up and question just what in the fuck is going on, rather than keep toeing the line of the government.

What ruling class in the history of civilization has ever acted in the benevolent best interests of the people? Big Daddy Fed knows best? I don't know how old you are, but in my experience that is highly suspect.


Here is the fulcrum of the argument.

• Some people (myself) have questions / doubts about this "pandemic" based on our first hand experience. If you want to sign up for new experimental measures or wear masks or keep your kids out of school, I've not seen anyone in this camp saying you shouldn't or be forced to comply with not acting in your own interests.
• Other people (sounds like your position) are adamant in accepting whatever the story of the week is to continue the hysteria of the "pandemic" and that anyone who doesn't comply, must be punished and/or forced to get in line and accept the one-size-fits-all solution, civil rights, be damned.

[Tiny]

We have a far different perception of our own best interests, although we agree about government. I was wearing N95 masks when the CDC told me not to. I went into my office when the state of Texas told me I couldn't. I traveled and ate out and did lots of other things when the CDC told me not to. I got a 100 mcg Moderna shot (twice the quantity they ended up settling on for boosters) after two Pfizer vaccines, when the CDC was advising people not to get a booster.

The vaccines and masks and common sense social distancing were the ways to protect ourselves and minimize the harm to other's health and jobs and businesses from the epidemic. Just because part of the time that message was coming from government doesn't mean it was always wrong.

[FatCity]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I was ....
I went ...
I traveled ...
I got ...
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you exercised your personal freedom / liberty to act on your own behalf. Feels great, don't it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're perfectly fine with the government deleting that and FORCING you to do ____

THAT is the issue here.
Then, (you're) forcing people to not only do X, but the long-term impact of X isn't even known.

"If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too"

Again, I was in the same position Dilbert was months ago. I didn't feel like not having a job and WHO ELSE IS GOING TO FEED THESE WHORES? So I did what I outlined in this thread. I didn't get vaxxed, but I satisfied the requirements to continue getting paid. Oppressive government controls create black markets

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by FatCity

you exercised your personal freedom / liberty to act on your own behalf. Feels great, don't it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're perfectly fine with the government deleting that and FORCING you to do ____

Several months ago I was OK with mask mandates, just as I'm more or less OK with seat belt laws, speed limits and drunk driving laws. I'm OK with an employer making vaccination a requirement of employment. I'm not OK with government requiring people to get vaccinated. I'm not OK with lockdowns or restrictions on travel and movement.

But that's all history. At this point it really doesn't matter as much. Social distancing, masks, vaccines, you name it, they're not as important. By starting this thread, yeah, I was encouraging people to get the booster. But most people have either gotten vaccinated or gotten the disease, so have some protection. This isn't a huge issue any more. If there's another wave, I might change my mind though.