So much for Cheating Trump winning Aizona election

[zypher12]

Biden won Arizona by 10,457 votes out of 3.4 million cast. Of the four cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

That makes no sense. If they're a bunch of clowns, you should WANT to give them a mic so they can reveal to everyone just how clownish they are.

If someone thinks you are a clown, does that give them the right to censor and/or deplatform you?

You obviously haven't thought this one through.

When you have a pile of people looking for a hook to hang their hat on, desperate for validation so their confirmation bias can run wild, they will run with whatever they're given.

Enter group of hyperpartisan clowns. They'll find shit even if the methods are absurd, because they're there to find "proof" and not to perform a legitimate non-partisan review.

They have one of the candidates who was on the ballots and lost involved in this process for fucksakes. And those predisposed to believe them will tout their results regardless of the standards used or whether the conclusions drawn are valid.

The local GOP Recorder and Board of Supervisors have been distancing themselves from it for months because they know it's a fucking clown show. But their voices get ignored by those hungry for the theatricality and promise of fraud findings being sensationalized. The message is going to have legs even if the findings and the process are utter bullshit.

And when one side tries to deplatform the other side they feed the conspiracy narrative. When two sides don't want to to work together or coexist, they'll invent reasons to distrust and discredit. That's what's playing out. Groups with power who claim to be looking for the truth, but really aren't. Both sides trying to weaponize information. Both sides trying to eliminate dissent. This is what happens when moderates are marginalized and hyperpartisans rule the field of discourse

[bypass]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

When you have a pile of people looking for a hook to hang their hat on, desperate for validation so their confirmation bias can run wild, they will run with whatever they're given.

Enter group of hyperpartisan clowns. They'll find shit even if the methods are absurd, because they're there to find "proof" and not to perform a legitimate non-partisan review.

They have one of the candidates who was on the ballots and lost involved in this process for fucksakes. And those predisposed to believe them will tout their results regardless of the standards used or whether the conclusions drawn are valid.

The local GOP Recorder and Board of Supervisors have been distancing themselves from it for months because they know it's a fucking clown show. But their voices get ignored by those hungry for the theatricality and promise of fraud findings being sensationalized. The message is going to have legs even if the findings and the process are utter bullshit.

And when one side tries to deplatform the other side they feed the conspiracy narrative. When two sides don't want to to work together or coexist, they'll invent reasons to distrust and discredit. That's what's playing out. Groups with power who claim to be looking for the truth, but really aren't. Both sides trying to weaponize information. Both sides trying to eliminate dissent. This is what happens when moderates are marginalized and hyperpartisans rule the field of discourse

The funny part we will have to listen and read this shit until the next election. They won't have to worry about Biden if he makes until then. He will be too old. Like I have said how bad could it be to vote for an 80 year old. It was bad.What is going on now with Trump is what was going on for four years. All Trump did was Lie, Lie, and Lie some more. He is still doing it. Nothing has changed.



I hope Trump does run next time, even Kamala Harris would beat him.



They need to stand behind Biden and support him like we did with Trump at the beginning until we found out he was nothing but Bullshit.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by bypass

The funny part we will have to listen and read this shit until the next election. They won't have to worry about Biden if he makes until then. He will be too old. Like I have said how bad could it be to vote for an 80 year old. It was bad.What is going on now is what was going on for four years. Lies, Lies, and more Lies. He is still doing it. Nothing has changed.



I hope he does run next time, even Kamala Harris would be him.



They need to stand behind Biden and support him like we did with Trump at the beginning until we found out he was nothing but Bullshit.

It's a mix of lies and truths.

Kamala Harris probably loses to Trump

That's revisionist depending on who is included in "we" as many had their mind made up about Trump before he ever took office and never gave him a fair shake. Which happened to every president I would imagine. But even the veneer of bipartisanship is gone these days

[bambino]

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[Jacuzzme]

Cumallah couldn’t win a primary in her own state, she’s about as pleasant as gonorrhea. She has no chance of winning a national election unless they cheat even more than they did last time, which, of course, is a possibility if they manage to turn their legal election fraud bill into law.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

And when one side tries to deplatform the other side they feed the conspiracy narrative... That's what's playing out... Both sides trying to eliminate dissent.

So you agree with me that NEITHER side should be censored or de-platformed?

We have to let all the crazy stuff and conspiracy theories circulate out there. Everyone is free to take each nutty theory and shoot it down with facts and reasoning. In the long run, we have to trust most of the public most of the time to separate truth from half-truths & lies. It's nobody else's job to do it for us. Once we allow the government in league with widely used private platforms to start restricting what views can be expressed in political discussions, we are subverting Free Speech and the First Amendment.

Right now I see only one side "trying to eliminate dissent" by censoring and deplatforming people. And it ain't the Republicans.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

So you agree with me that NEITHER side should be censored or de-platformed?

We have to let all the crazy stuff and conspiracy theories circulate out there. Everyone is free to take each nutty theory and shoot it down with facts and reasoning. In the long run, we have to trust most of the public most of the time to separate truth from half-truths & lies. It's nobody else's job to do it for us. Once we allow the government in league with widely used private platforms to start restricting what views can be expressed in political discussions, we are subverting Free Speech and the First Amendment.

Right now I see only one side "trying to eliminate dissent" by censoring and deplatforming people. And it ain't the Republicans.

The ability to spew bullshit on Facebook or Twitter isn't a constitutionally protected right. If Facebook or Twitter block on their own, that's fine. If the government is involved in that decision, it's not. There's no violation of the first amendment if an asshole spewing garbage gets suspended or banned from social media unless the government tips the scales and it was legitimate speech protected by the first amendment. Too may people misunderstand the first amendment and show it, daily.

As for who's doing what, cancel culture runs as rampant on the right as on the left. Again, hyperpartisans who can crowd out or drown out the voice of moderates dilute the discourse.

Then both sides get to play the game where they point at each other as being fascist and they're both right

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by bypass

TRUMP: “168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)”


THE FACTS: All of that is false. The ballots were not unofficial or printed on illegal paper, and even Logan never alleged they were fraudulent.

Do you have a problem reading?

Did you even see what I wrote. FFS

I personally think this is the weakest claim of the bunch. And the auditors said it required further analysis. But the Maricopa County folks have not been especially forthcoming. Basically the
168,000 ballots used "a lot of very thin paper stock" and had faulty printing that caused the print on the front and back to be slightly misaligned, which could cause voters to cast ballots for the wrong candidate if voting machine ink bleeds through the ballot.

So they aren't saying these were 168,000 illegal votes but rather because of the paper stock used on these particular ballots and the misprinting, it could have caused votes to be cast for the wrong candidate due to bleed through issues

I personally would not group this in the category of the others - which are much more substantive claims of actual fraud

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by bypass

They need to stand behind Biden and support him like we did with Trump at the beginning until we found out he was nothing but Bullshit.

You mean like people should have rioted at senile Biden's inauguration like they did at President Trumps?

You mean like newspapers should have called for senile Biden's impeachment on the day he was sworn into office like they did for President Trump?

You mean the Republicans and the media should have created a massive lie about Russia collusion for senile Biden like the Dems and media did for President Trump?

That type of standing behind him and supporting him?

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by berryberry

You mean like newspapers should have called for senile Biden's impeachment on the day he was sworn into office like they did for President Trump?

Oh it was way sooner than that. The day after election night there was a blitzkrieg of TV adds and news shows literally threatening electors to fall in line.

[bypass]

So it was fine for the republican's to impeach Clinton over a BJ correct? He didn't cause a riot, he didn't withhold military aid he got a BJ. You think the Democrats weren't going to get even?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by bypass

So it was fine for the republican's to impeach Clinton over a BJ correct? He didn't cause a riot, he didn't withhold military aid he got a BJ. You think the Democrats weren't going to get even?

You wrote this

Originally Posted by bypass

They need to stand behind Biden and support him like we did with Trump at the beginning until we found out he was nothing but Bullshit.

So you just admit you made that up and lied when you wrote it. Cool. Exposed once again

[bypass]

You sometimes don't make good sense. Clinton got impeached for a BJ, that shouldn't even been made public. That happens everyday. Trump got impeached for getting people killed either by inciting a riot or by stopping funds a country needed to protect them self's.


The answer to your other questions, no I don't read all of what your write on your posts. Hell no, I won't waste my time. You are getting news from fake news company's or barn yard twitter accounts. I won't even go there. I am sure I could find some fake news and make up some kind of bullshit, but I am going off of main stream news. Like ten news company's that everyone knows of not some kind of bullshit news that never come true.



Oh I better wait till August when Trump takes back over correct? We'll see then, I will have to take back my statements.

[Jacuzzme]

Clinton wasn’t impeached for a blowjob.