Election fraud? What election fraud?

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by bambino

We should know the results of the Maricopa Co audit results in 10 days:

I'll wait!

[bambino]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I'll wait!

You have no choice. Wait it out Pfunk.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by bambino

We should know the results of the Maricopa Co audit results in 10 days:



Fraud vitiates everything and why Maricopa County may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

In a few days, auditors at Maricopa County will be reviewing - under great scrutiny - the 2020 general election ballots and tabulation results in said county. If there is discovery of hard evidence proving widespread fraud in that county, then the victim of the fraud will be allowed to introduce a lawsuit to present evidence not previously allowed in court with the intent of annuling the previous decision.
In the case of which fraud is proven with hard evidence in Maricopa County, other counties around the country may follow suit with similar audits and lawsuits with the intent of annulling any previous decision.
It may only require a handful of such lawsuits before the republic finds itself in a constitutional crisis.
It is unclear what remedy will be available for a general election vitiated by fraud, but with the state of the current Supreme Court, I dont recommend holding your breath.

Lets examine United States v. Throckmorton, 98 U.S. 61 (1878).

Supreme Court:
“There is no question of the general doctrine that fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents, and even judgments.”

Explanation:
Fraud voids contracts, documents and judgements.

Supreme Court:
“There is also no question that many rights originally founded in fraud become—by lapse of time, by the difficulty of proving the fraud, and by the protection which the law throws around rights once established by formal judicial proceedings in tribunals established by law, according to the methods of the law—no longer open to inquiry in the usual and ordinary methods.”

Explanation:
“Rights” obtained through fraud are very difficult to overturn through normal measures.

Supreme Court:
“If the court has been mistaken in the law, there is a remedy by writ of error. If the jury has been mistaken in the facts, the remedy is by motion for new trial. If there has been evidence discovered since the trial, a motion for a new trial will give appropriate relief. But all these are parts of the same proceeding, relief, is given in the same suit, and the party is not vexed by another suit for the same matter. So in a suit in chancery, on proper showing a rehearing is granted. If the injury complained of is an erroneous decision, an appeal to a higher court gives opportunity to correct the error. If new evidence is discovered after the decree has become final, a bill of review on that ground may be filed within the rules prescribed by law on that subject. Here, again, these proceedings are all part of the same suit, and the rule framed for the repose of society is not violated.”

Explanation:
There are systems in place to correct errors in courts, juries, and trials.

Supreme Court:
“But there is an admitted exception to this general rule in cases where, by reason of something done by the successful party to a suit, there was in fact no adversary trial or decision of the issue in the case. Where the unsuccessful party has been prevented from exhibiting fully his case, by fraud or deception practised on him by his opponent, as by keeping him away from court, a false promise of a compromise; or where the defendant never had knowledge of the suit, being kept in ignorance by the acts of the plaintiff; or where an attorney fraudulently or without authority assumes to represent a party and connives at his defeat; or where the attorney regularly employed corruptly sells out his client's interest to the other side,—these, and similar cases which show that there has never been a real contest in the trial or hearing of the case, are reasons for which a new suit may be sustained to set aside and annul the former judgment or decree, and open the case for a new and a fair hearing.”

Explanation:
However, there is an exception for the situation of which the winner utilized fraud or deception to prevent the loser from fully presenting his case in court. In such situations a new lawsuit may be introduced to annul the previous judgment or decree.

Good luck with that.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Good luck with that.

You might need to be lucky

[bambino]

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...-2020-election

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ching-arizona/

Stay tuned Speedy.

It's important to remember that Biden did not need Arizona or Georgia in order to win the election.

2 previous audits of the Maricopa County turned up no problems. It is interesting that the audit is being funded by private groups for the most part, most of whom are Trump supporters. The company doing the recount is Cyber Ninjas, whose CEO has a history of propogating claims that the election was stolen from Trump.

“At this point, additional audits will have little value other than to stoke conspiracy theories and partisan gamesmanship — or worse,” the letter said. “This troubling conclusion is further supported by the selection of a firm that appears to lack independence or technical expertise, both of which are required under the most basic principles of auditing.”

The letter was also signed by officials from the advocacy group Verified Voting, the Brennan Center for Justice and Ryan Macias, who was formerly acting director of voting system testing and certification at the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...um/7225249002/

The audit is expected to last until at least mid-May. So it could be a while before we get the results.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

It's important to remember that Biden did not need Arizona or Georgia in order to win the election.

2 previous audits of the Maricopa County turned up no problems. It is interesting that the audit is being funded by private groups for the most part, most of whom are Trump supporters. The company doing the recount is Cyber Ninjas, whose CEO has a history of propogating claims that the election was stolen from Trump.

“At this point, additional audits will have little value other than to stoke conspiracy theories and partisan gamesmanship — or worse,” the letter said. “This troubling conclusion is further supported by the selection of a firm that appears to lack independence or technical expertise, both of which are required under the most basic principles of auditing.”

The letter was also signed by officials from the advocacy group Verified Voting, the Brennan Center for Justice and Ryan Macias, who was formerly acting director of voting system testing and certification at the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...um/7225249002/

The audit is expected to last until at least mid-May. So it could be a while before we get the results.

That’s not the point Seedy. They cheated in 6/7 large counties that flipped the election. If massive fraud occurs in Maricopa Co other counties will follow. Like Atlanta, Philly/Pittsburgh, Detroit, Milwaukee, Las Vegas. Ask yourself a question, why are the election officials fighting so hard to keep the ballots and machines away from expert auditors? Why is Mark Elias trying to sue everyone? Because they have something to hide. I think a very credible organization will show a massive cyber attack on the election. Dominion machines, and others were connected to the internet. That’s been proven, it’s a fact.

If you’re so confident that the 2020 election was legit, you should be calling for forensic audits too. So should Biden.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

That’s not the point Seedy. They cheated in 6/7 large counties that flipped the election. If massive fraud occurs in Maricopa Co other counties will follow. Like Atlanta, Philly/Pittsburgh, Detroit, Milwaukee, Las Vegas. Ask yourself a question, why are the election officials fighting so hard to keep the ballots and machines away from expert auditors? Why is Mark Elias trying to sue everyone? Because they have something to hide. I think a very credible organization will show a massive cyber attack on the election. Dominion machines, and others were connected to the internet. That’s been proven, it’s a fact.

If you’re so confident that the 2020 election was legit, you should be calling for forensic audits too. So should Biden.

Once again you are jumping the gun.

As of today, almost 5 1/2 months after the election, there is zero proof that there was any fraud in the voting. None at all.

Arizona and Georgia are run by Republicans and all the voting officials there swear by the results. 2 or 3 recounts in Georgia and Biden actually increased his margin. 2 recounts in Arizona and no changes.

Again, whether or not Dominion Systems was connected to the internet does not mean one vote was changed. It is up to people like you to provide PROOF that it happened. Innocent until proven guilty. Every case but one brought to the court system has been QUICKLY thrown out because they are empty charges.

Just for fun -- what if the new audit in Arizona shows no fraud?

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Once again you are jumping the gun.

As of today, almost 5 1/2 months after the election, there is zero proof that there was any fraud in the voting. None at all.

Arizona and Georgia are run by Republicans and all the voting officials there swear by the results. 2 or 3 recounts in Georgia and Biden actually increased his margin. 2 recounts in Arizona and no changes.

Again, whether or not Dominion Systems was connected to the internet does not mean one vote was changed. It is up to people like you to provide PROOF that it happened. Innocent until proven guilty. Every case but one brought to the court system has been QUICKLY thrown out because they are empty charges.

Just for fun -- what if the new audit in Arizona shows no fraud?

There is proof. You chose to ignore it. You’re one of the 44% who don’t believe t

here was election fraud:



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...2020-election/

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by bambino

There is proof. You chose to ignore it. You’re one of the 44% who don’t believe t

here was election fraud:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...2020-election/

This is an article, about a poll, done after the election. It has zero proof of election fraud. Give it up. Biden won.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

This is an article, about a poll, done after the election. It has zero proof of election fraud. Give it up. Biden won.

If you say so!!!

[Strokey_McDingDong]

Dude, Russia interfered with the 2016 and 2020 election. Biden said so! Fauci said so, too! I'm wearing three masks and getting 4 shots!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong

Dude, Russia interfered with the 2016 and 2020 election. Biden said so! Fauci said so, too! I'm wearing three masks and getting 4 shots!

Lockdown Lover. Welcome Back!

[VerySkeptical]

Originally Posted by bambino

Not true, the courts rejected the cases on standing, not evidence. If this election was so pure, why won’t elections officials, Governors and judges release the real ballots and have the machines forensically examined? What are they hiding? It’s common sense, they’re hiding something.

The "teh" guy will be back. You can never replace him.

Blah, blah, blah.

In other words, there is no proof of voter fraud.
Your legal reasoning is flawed. As is most of your reasoning.

We know you won't stop posting the same unproven claims. MI is following state law. Common sense says you don't have a clue what you're talking about. There must be proof fraud occurred, not proof that it didn't.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by VerySkeptical

The "teh" guy will be back. You can never replace him.

Blah, blah, blah.

In other words, there is no proof of voter fraud.
Your legal reasoning is flawed. As is most of your reasoning.

We know you won't stop posting the same unproven claims. MI is following state law. Common sense says you don't have a clue what you're talking about. There must be proof fraud occurred, not proof that it didn't.

First off, you’re not a skeptic at all. You’re a fraud because you’re asleep at the wheel. You obviously haven’t done a second of research. Every lie will be exposed. Count on it.