Considering Getting Out of The Hobby

[Vachon]

No joke her, I’m actually considering getting out of the hobby. Am I the only one?

1. While my income, and everyone else’s that I know, has remained unchanged for the last 7 years - providers have (many of them) increased their rates by 30%. That makes a difference.

2. ECCIE was my go to board for finding honest and complete reviews of providers who could easily be contacted on the board. Changes in ECCIE in the last several years had made that dauntingly difficult. One of the providers a few years back chose to leave the board after likening it to Christian Mingle after all the changes. It’s terribly difficult even with premium services. I get the Trump Admin. brought about conditions that made the old format impossible to maintain but there are offshore servers the system could have moved to.

3. Alternatively I used to use Backpages. Not sure why but I found no small number of honest providers on BP both here on the coast and in the DC Area. That vanished and we are left with Skip The Games as a replacement. As we all know STG presents 2 or 3 real provider ads surrounded by 20 fakes and scam attempts.

4. There were a ton of really good providers on the coast for years. Variety was indeed the spice of life here and all the good ones had ECCIE accounts. One of the top tier providers lives in VA now. We still have a couple of good ones and one of them only does incall 1 day a week. I don’t know what happened to the 8 - 10 other good local providers. They seem to have vanished.

5. Finally let’s talk about AMPs. Their all gone and apparently are not coming back. I know, there were rumors of human trafficking and I believe that is a very real and disposable practice but it clearly was not occurring in every case and in every AMP. That being said, there were always 3 - 4 AMPs that were only worth your time if you had a grandma fetish. And then there was JJs/777 OMG I miss that place. But their left wing yoga lady next door neighbor stirred up so much crap for them the LE’s eventually put them at the top of their priority list. Human trafficking , no. Anyone who bothered to actually talk to any of those Korean girls would find they all lived on the west coast, NJ, NC etc. , were there to pick up fast cash and usually went back home after a month and returned when the extra money ran out but they all came and went at will.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. This one was for years but at least here on the Coast it is a real choir to locate new providers who are not going to try to scam you later or charge more per hour than a neurosurgeon. I am seriously considering getting out of the hobby. At this point in time there are to many risks, to much work avoiding those risks, and frankly the rates for the new or visiting providers has far exceeded the rate of local economic inflation.

Thoughts?

[Moonchild]

It’s your choice...or is this a post similar to when a provider says they are retiring?

[Vachon]

Originally Posted by Moonchild

It’s your choice...or is this a post similar to when a provider says they are retiring?

😂😂. Good response 😂😂

No, if this was akin to a provider announcing retirement I would be doing a series of weekly “going out of business” ads. 😂😂

[Vachon]

If I had to sum up my long diatribe above - hobbies should be fun. This one was but at least here on the gulf coast it has become to much work to remain active in.

[BassCat]

Originally Posted by Vachon

If I had to sum up my long diatribe above - hobbies should be fun. This one was but at least here on the gulf coast it has become to much work to remain active in.

You have some good points but its not as dire as you make it out to be. There are actually more girls especially young ones selling ass today than ever. The acceptance of urban culture by many young people has opened the door for countless young women to think that its cool to go from cheap hotel to cheap hotels selling themselves.

The thing is you cant expect much from a 24 year old who goes from city to city with her bf and another girl or two and their bf's. If you go in wanting gfe you will be disappointed. If you go in thinking I am going to add another 20 year old girl to my list and get the fuck out of there as fast as I can you will likely be satisfied and chances are for a bill or less.

I guess it all depends on your expectations. I really dont hobby that much but I stay active. I like to see at least 25 new girls a year and I find that its way easier to do that now than it was even 15 years ago. I used to have to work way harder than I do now. Granted years ago I tried to see as many new girls as I could now I try to pace myself to one every other week. Add in the girls I see regularly and it keeps me busy without much effort. I usually hit stg twice a day first thing in the morning and in the evening when I get done working.

I reseach the new girls that pop up and if they seem legit I keep watching them trying to figure out if they are legit or not. If I think a girl is real I go in if I my gut feeling is bad I pass and look at the next one. I do the same with rates. If a girl has crazy high rates (300+) I pass. If she has high rates (200) I make her a reasonable offer. If she accepts I see her if she doesnt I dont.

I completely agree about girls charging way to much. To me no pussy is worth more than 2 bills msog an hour and 120 for one pop hh. If a girl has gps and thinks she should get more I move on. There are few exceptions to this rule and none in our area at all that can demand higher rates.

Vachon take a few days and go to houston or dallas and see and get your fill of hot women with great service with reasonable rates. There are literally many hundreds of hot women with great service in those towns who are glad to fuck for 2 bills or less.

As for the coast it goes in cycles as far as quality tallent setting up shop here. If you feel like playing the sb game join sa and you will have a ton of luck if you dont mind sifting through the gps girls and fakes/scams. I had great luck with sa some years back and know lots of guys who quit fucking hookers and only do sa girls now. You get a lot hotter girl who fucks a lot less garbage dudes who is happy to spend hours for 2 or 3 bills. Honestly on the coast its 100x better on sa than the hooker boards. Never make a girl an offer on sa only do that via text or on the phone. They have bots that search the messages and if they catch you making offers to girls they will ban you permanently now or so I am told. I havent done sa in a few years.

My problem is I really like fucking trashy women. I especially like a dumb girl who falls for a pimp/bf and goes around degrading herself supporting him. There is just something about a girl who falls for that and the level of stupidity that she must have to know she is being used and continues to do it all the while acting like she is the one in control. I guess I like the physiology of it or something how a girl can plainly see what's going on yet continues to do it. So the cheap stg girls keep me happy and my quota met.

I do long for the days of laying in bed for hours two and three times a month getting 3 or 4 pops with a young girl I met off sa for 2 bills each time. I had it down pretty good I would join meet a couple keepers and let my membership laps until things ran there course and I needed new sa girls. Then I would join up and find a few more then repeat.

From the sounds of it you really should try sa.

[BassCat]

Vachon I just realized I went on and on and never once said anything about two things you mention.

How bad this place sucks since they removed ads nudity alerts and all the things that make a hobby board useful. There is a simple remedy to this. Switch over to ourhome2 Its a hobby board that has everything that made this site great prior to the new laws. Ladies can post ads with nudes men can post nudes and link to ads with nudes without fear of getting banned. There is an alert section to help keep us all safe and there are reviews and coed just like this place has. The only difference is we dont have oppressive rules or even mods checking everything we post just waiting to pounce and hand out a ban. Its a great board if you ask me and has everything we need to hobby just like before this place went to shit. There are many thousands online in the forums at all times of the day and night and the ms fl al tn sections are starting to come to life. Everyone who hobbys really should have been over there years ago.

AMP's well you got me there. There are none in ms anymore at least nothing like 777/jj's. Now if you go to oh2 and read the new orleans board you will likely find some info worth reading on amps in slidell. Its only a half hour drive for me so its worth it for me when I crave asian. Are they like 777 well no you have to go to tx to find that. It really was a fluke that 777 popped up here to begin with. We got really lucky with that one if you ask me. The name of the amp in slidell thats pretty decent was also the name of a ship that landed the pilgrims in 1620.

[lbbguy]

It has crossed my mind that covid's plethora of eidl loans PPP loans and unemployment is caused some providers to loan longer need to work

[Guest070721]

I want to respond to this but I’m not sure of the way to approach this. I understand what you guys are saying and very valid reasons, but honestly it is so many more reasons than what y’all are touching on

[aNameinGulfport]

In 198x I spent 150 to 200. In La-La Land. One of the ladies from the service I called was a "model" from one of the nudie magazines of the day doing things on the side waiting for her big break.

(she had a 3 second topless scene in a big movie a few years later so I guess that was her big break)

In MS in the 90's it was 150 to 200.

We are are still paying similar rates today.

Granted I am not seeing "models" waiting for their big break (and really have no desire to see one either), but there is something wrong with a system that doesn't account for inflation etc.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I like cheaper. I can afford to play more often.

[Vachon]

Originally Posted by aNameinGulfport

In 198x I spent 150 to 200.

In MS in the 90's it was 150 to 200.

We are are still paying similar rates today.

Agreed that the local girls (with 228 area coded on their numbers - not visitors) have kept their rates pretty standardized and $200 is no problem for me. I've always been good with that rate. BUT again, a lot of the good local girls have moved on and the visiting girls seem to think they are worth a lot more.

I mostly agree with BassCat on 99% of his comments. Aside from the girls who think an hour with them is worth more than the hourly rate for a really good physician or lawyer - my BIGGEST issue is the lack of online services that present REAL ADS for real providers. A lot of those young girls who visit that BassCat mentioned are not actually selling anything - they are looking for phone numbers they can attempt to scam later by running reverse lookups on a number and threatening extortion. Even one of the local girls from out in the Pascagoula area tried that with me about a year ago. She's still in the business and running regular ads on STGs (Nikki). She sent me harassing demands for cash for 3 solid days straight. I blocked her numbers - she used a different phone. I was 5 minutes from simply calling the cops and letting the chips fall where they would. I cooled off and simply told her to do whatever she wanted to do - call whoever she wanted to call - do whatever and I would let the LE do whatever they want with it after she does. That was the end of Nikki.

That was a tangent. Honestly, even if the rates went up a bit above $200, I would be OK with it if the old ECCIE were still a good option for finding ads and reviews by real providers. That is my biggest problem. Systems like STGs are useless and 2/3 of those ads are not real.

[BassCat]

While you may be just fine paying 2 bills to see a girl I think its personally on the high end for most women especially the ones who service the coast. If a girl is sub 35 and hot is known for a good session then by all means she should demand 2 bills for an hr msog. If a girl is over 35 and looks like most providers do she should be happy getting 160 for an hr msog here on the coast. This is the norm for many active hobby cities why should a much older or less attractive woman demand 300 here?

I personally prefer a qv so rates are seldom an issue for me. I have absolutely zero desire to pretend a woman is my gf and kiss all over her or perform daty on her when she lets countless men nut in and one her daily with zero regard for how nasty these men who use her are. I know countless hookers who let their pimps and tricks nut in them then openly laugh about how the next trick comes in and cleans up the last ones mess with their mouths. So a qv is perfect for me. I would never kiss a hookers mouth or god forbid actually eat her pussy unless I saw her get out the shower and then only if she were young and hot think Katelynn. I dont know if you guys know it or not but most of us tricks are even nastier than these girls bf/pimps so you really dont want to put your mouth where 5 different nasty guys have nutted hours or even minutes before you walked in the room. I never will understand guys who want to kiss or daty a hooker but thats just me. I guess some guys enjoy eating a half dozen nasty guys nut off a girls body. Who am I to judge.

Vachon you are correct about maybe a third of the stg ads being real. Since there is no charge to put ads up the scam artist have started using it to fleece as many idiots as they can. You have to do the research to see if a girl is real or not but its the best resource we have. I just counted 13 real girls ads on the first few pages of biloxi stg just now. I have personally met or know someone I trust who has met each one of these girls and better than 2/3 of them are happy to fuck for a bill or less. Thats tough to argue with. There not 13 legit girls posting ads on oh2 where ads are allowed and zero posting ads here since ads are strictly forbidden.

Its all about expectations. It sounds like your expectations are to high for the class of garbage that uses stg. No shame in that. I am serious about you having much better luck on a sb site like sa. You should try it out. There are literally hundreds of very attractive women on it within 50 miles of you who are nothing like your typical provider. They see way less guys and even less trashy ones like me. You can see most of them for 200-300 and without a doubt most will look way better than anyone who ever resorts to actually being a hooker. Most girls selling it on sa would never even consider themselves hookers. You should seriously consider trying it out. Just join for a month find two or three good 20 year old hotties and let your membership lapse until things run their course with those girls. I saw some sa girls for over 6 months in the past I know guys who have had the same girl for years now. Sa is really hard to beat if you have discerning taste and want a girl you can pretend is your gf and actually have a gfe relationship with.

[Vachon]

SA?

[BassCat]

Seeking Arrangement its the leading sugar baby site in the usa afaik. I have used it with great success as have many of my hobby friends. A great deal of my long time hobby buddies especially the more affluent ones who are happy paying 3 bills for an entire evening with a twenty something hottie not a clock watching hooker who cant wait to get you out of there so her pimp can get back in the room. I know a lot of guys who no longer hobby since sa took off the way it has. Just avoid the pros find a nice regular girl to spend time with.

SA is way better if you like spending time with regular women who doesnt have the hooker mentality. The only thing is you really have to search through the garbage to find the gems. Every hooker uses sa also and will still behave like the hookers they are so avoid them at all cost.

There are cities with active threads discussing sa girls. Go read the one in new orleans or one of the other big cities. I personally never share sa girls as its the fastest way to lose a good one if you ask me.

Just reading your post about how unsatisfied you are with hookers it sounds like SA would be just the place for you. Its got to be worth a try before you hang up your hat for good.

[yjbrown]

The golden age of parlors in mississippi is in the past. But the real impact has been the loss of backpage. At least in central mississippi, backpage was the one stop shop to find both local girls as well as traveling women who would stop in Jackson for just a couple days. Without backpage, the ability for traveling women to advertise is gone. I haven't seen a traveling massage girl in years, because there's no way for them to advertise. Skip the Games is just sad...

But the problems with advertising and supply don't make me want to leave the hobby. Instead I'm just more judicious with my money. Other cities/states get more of my hobby budget, unfortunately.

[BassCat]

STG could be just as good as backpage and craigslist before it if they only had some simple protocols in place blocking users from outside the usa and those who were trying to mask their ip addresses. The scammers in foreign countries are bombarding stg with fake ads and its ruining the usefulness of the site. If they started charging a fee to post ads like backpage did it would clear out a great many of them. For the life of me I cant figure out why they allow it. I dont see how it benefits them wasting all that bandwidth hosting fake ads.