voter ID

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by El-mo

The ACLU is also not calling for voter id. You can’t have it both ways. If you are insisting that everyone needs to present a valid photo ID in order to vote, but you don’t support a standardized free photo ID program, you are essentially supporting a poll tax, which is voter suppression and also unconstitutional.

I didn't say photo ID

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

You do not need ID to register to vote in most states. You simply need to provide your ssn. The state election board then verifies that the name, ssn and DOB all match the same person.

https://www.headcount.org/voting-faq...gister-t-vote/

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a valid ID. Especially poor and elderly inner-city minorities. Driver's licenses and state ID's are expensive and poor people, ESPECIALLY those who don't drive are less likely to renew theirs. That's why voter ID is voter suppression. The GOP specifically tries to disenfranchise those most likely to vote DEM.

Again, I am not arguing that we shouldn't have require people to show ID, to vote, but if you aren't also fighting for universal free ID, your motives are suspect.

actually, the site you posted says most states Do require id to register, not most states do not... and I did post this federal act before...

In addition to the laws governing what identification all voters must show at the polls, first time voters may face additional requirements. The federal Help America Vote Act (section 15483(b)(2)(A)) mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who register to vote by mail and have not provided verification of their identification at the time of registration. The act lists a "current and valid photo identification" or "a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter” as acceptable forms of ID.

im not saying it has to be a drivers license, I get that but even poor or elderly have a social security card

and am i correct that if you have a social security card and birth certificate, you can get a free state ID? not sure about that

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by El-mo

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a valid ID. Especially poor and elderly inner-city minorities... That's why voter ID is voter suppression.

It's racist for anyone to assume minorities are less capable than anyone else of procuring a photo ID.

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It's racist for anyone to assume minorities are less capable than anyone else of procuring a photo ID.

I say with the upmost sincerity, go fuck yourself. This isn’t a debate club so I’m not going to respond to your disingenuous bullshit as if you are arguing in good faith. Blacks and Latinos are in this country are disproportionately poor. They also make up much of the Democrats urban base, and are more likely to rely on public transit, making a valid photo id The sort of expense that gets skipped. Your drivers license expires, you’re breaking the law. Theirs expires and their bus pass still works.

When crafting these voter ID laws, there is a history of specifically targeting minorities. The state of North Carolina actually ran a study to find out what forms of ID black residents were most likely to have and not to have, and specifically wrote their law so as to exclude the most commonly held forms of ID in Black communities. South Dakota passed a law that required voter id with physical street addresses, because most of its Native American population, even those with state issued IDs, did not have a physical address, because homes on the reservations do not have addresses.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by El-mo

I say with the upmost sincerity, go fuck yourself. This isn’t a debate club so I’m not going to respond to your disingenuous bullshit as if you are arguing in good faith. Blacks and Latinos are in this country are disproportionately poor. They also make up much of the Democrats urban base, and are more likely to rely on public transit, making a valid photo id The sort of expense that gets skipped. Your drivers license expires, you’re breaking the law. Theirs expires and their bus pass still works.

LOL. Those poor black and latinos who you say can't afford the small amount to get a Picture ID card sure can spend money each month for a cell phone among other things. Plus in some of states, you can get the ID for free. So yes, racist for anyone to assume minorities are less capable than anyone else of procuring a photo ID.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by El-mo

I say with the upmost sincerity, go fuck yourself. This isn’t a debate club so I’m not going to respond...

Awww... did you just say gfy? You're such a meanie!

But thanks for conceding you have no response to my superior argument!

Originally Posted by El-mo

When crafting these voter ID laws, there is a history of specifically targeting minorities. The state of North Carolina actually ran a study to find out what forms of ID black residents were most likely to have and not to have, and specifically wrote their law so as to exclude the most commonly held forms of ID in Black communities. South Dakota passed a law that required voter id with physical street addresses, because most of its Native American population, even those with state issued IDs, did not have a physical address, because homes on the reservations do not have addresses.

Well, thank the lord for that NC study! All we need to do is rewrite the law to include those forms of photo ID that blacks and other minorities are MOST likely to have. The study already tells us which ones. Problem solved!

Your point about Native Americans in South Dakota is interesting news to me. Aside from genuinely homeless people who live in tents or their cars, who in 21st century America doesn't have an address? I mean, how do they obtain gas, electric, cable/internet or cellphone service? If they call 911, where do the responders go? Without an address, how do we know what Congressional District they're in? How does the state send out a mail-in ballot if one is requested? For obvious reasons, we can't let people register using a P.O. box for an address. That's a giant invitation for fraud and abuse.

Anyway, it doesn't seem like a hard problem to solve. Just get the Indian chiefs together and start mapping out addresses for the whole reservation. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.

Riddle me this, el-mo... If voter suppression is a real problem, how did African-American turnout surpass white turnout in both the 2008 and 2012 elections? Could it be that, if motivated by a compelling candidate, blacks are just as capable as whites are of exercising their rights to vote?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...2012-and-2008/

Before you answer, do yourself a favor and read the SCOTUS opinion in Shelby Country v. Holder.