Trump Insurrection kills one so far

[Tsmokies]

Trump's collateral damage is far reaching. From loss of life's to wasting tax payer money to support his Hotels, club's and golf courses. The corruption and greed went unchecked for four fucking years. The only good thing he accomplished was exposing the massive corruption in the gop. The Cruz's in the gop are still enabling the pos

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

Giuliani, Trump and Trump Jr. should be arrested for inciting sedition and violence on the Capitol. Giuliano’s words in the rally with the Trumps: “trial by COMBAT”....WTF???? Trump encouraging his lemming supporters to March down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol...and do what, exactly?? He also implied he would March with them (the pussy didn’t).

Good riddance to four years of a dicktater’s SHITSTORM.

Perhaps the same thing Democrats were telling their BLM, Antifa people to do, protest.


In the words of Chris Cuomo, "who said protesters should be polite and peaceful"? Democrats encouraged their people to protest, they did, they burned, they looted, they brutalized anybody that got in their way and that was OK because the left told us, it was OK to peacefully protest.


But it is never, ever OK to damage property or people for your protest. I'm sad that woman was shot and killed but she had no business being in that building. If she had remained outside on the street in peaceful protest, she would be alive today.


"Do exactly what"? Take your grievance to the street just like the Democrats told their people to do. Most of those Democrats (1blackman1 ) never intended there be violence. I believe the same true about 99% of people that protested yesterday.


But exactly like the left supporters, a few assholes fucked up the day.


This should be a lesson to all Americans but it won't. You can't call for stringing up the people yesterday that vandalized and fought police and not call for stringing up the left that rioted.


But that's were we seem to be. We can only see the harm when it's the people you don't support but if you supported what we witnessed this summer, then you are surely to blame too. Over look the violence in one group and you have given tacit permission for the other group to do the same thing.



Anybody that cheered on the people assaulting the Federal building in Portland, are equally guilty of causing what happened yesterday. Democrats do not have clean hands in this matter but only those that committed violence last summer and yesterday and anybody that looks the other way with both groups, is to blame. People not being held accountable for their actions, will get you more people repeating what they saw with no consequences attached.



When I was posting yesterday before the woman was shot, I said that armed police were on the other side of the doors to the House floor with guns drawn aimed at that door. I said if anybody tried to enter that room, the heart of our democracy,they should be shot......... and she was.


Jacob Blake was held accountable for his actions too but the left won't see it that way. The left, sorry, some on the left, many on the left, are telling their people to ignore the orders of police. That if you have a knife in your hand as Blake finally admitted to after the mouth pieces for the radical left tried to tell us he didn't have and a police officer is giving you commands to stop, don't be surprised if you get shot.


If you are trying to break down the door to a place you are not supposed to be and there are police on the other side of that door, guns drawn aimed at that door, don't be shocked if you are shot.


Will Americans ever learn this lesson? No, they will not because there are to many people telling them they did nothing wrong when we all know or should know, they did.


All I have ever asked is equal justice under the law. If you looked the other way when the federal building in Portland was being assaulted, you are just as much to blame as the idiots that tried to assault the capital because you were not willing to hold the previous group accountable


Until we hold all people accountable for their violent acts regardless of which group they belong to, this bullshit will keep happening.


This is in no way a defense of Trump and what happened yesterday but Trump, just like the Democrat leaders last summer, said "take to the streets and protest". Neither explicitly said "commit violence" but this is what happens when we don't stop it the first time it happens. It will surely happen again as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow.

[1blackman1]

Well said (or written I guess) and for the most part I don’t disagree. I do believe that Trump has pushed and pushed further to the unhinged and sadly pushed those folks to the capital.

And like yesterday’s republicans, the Dems this summer did condemn repeatedly the violence and looting and riots. They also stated that those people should be arrested and tried. It just was never played on Fox and other right wing media because the narrative was that Dems were anti-law and order so they could play up Trump. But that’s neither here nor there.

I am curious though why it wasn’t just a few people that were storming the capital, there were thousands on the capital and possibly hundreds entering the capital. But they were allowed to just leave even after breaking the law rather than being arrested. That’s shameful.

[Ripmany]

We need thoes cops killed the one who shot.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Prolongus

Giuliani, Trump and Trump Jr. should be arrested for inciting sedition and violence on the Capitol. Giuliano’s words in the rally with the Trumps: “trial by COMBAT”....WTF???? Trump encouraging his lemming supporters to March down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol...and do what, exactly?? He also implied he would March with them (the pussy didn’t).

Good riddance to four years of a dicktater’s SHITSTORM.

I'm just curious and haven't seen you post before and don't want to make assumptions about what you think so let me ask you, were you saying that the people marching in the streets in the previous years saying "what do we want, dead cops, when do we want it, Now" and "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like beacon" were inciting violence and should have been arrested? When you saw the group of people assaulting the federal building in Portland, injuring law enforcement officers, did you call for their arrest? Did Democrats give approval by failing to call out the people who in my opinion were inciting violence by using words of violence?


Or did you see the actions of the left as OK but actions of the right not OK?



As I see it, the left and the right both called for "their people" to take to the street and protest. We know what happens when we do this. There will always be a group of people who will take it to far and if we don't hold one group accountable, how the hell do we hold the other group accountable.


Unless every single person on this board is willing to admit that both sides are responsible for allowing this behavior to go un-punished, as it was last summer, it will continue.


No less that the new Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris offered money to bail out those violent protesters. What do we suppose would be the reaction if Trump offered to pay the bail of anybody arrested yesterday?


The hypocrisy of both sides is staggering and unfortunately not surprising.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Perhaps the same thing Democrats were telling their BLM, Antifa people to do, protest.


In the words of Chris Cuomo, "who said protesters should be polite and peaceful"? Democrats encouraged their people to protest, they did, they burned, they looted, they brutalized anybody that got in their way and that was OK because the left told us, it was OK to peacefully protest.


But it is never, ever OK to damage property or people for your protest. I'm sad that woman was shot and killed but she had no business being in that building. If she had remained outside on the street in peaceful protest, she would be alive today.


"Do exactly what"? Take your grievance to the street just like the Democrats told their people to do. Most of those Democrats (1blackman1 ) never intended there be violence. I believe the same true about 99% of people that protested yesterday.


But exactly like the left supporters, a few assholes fucked up the day.


This should be a lesson to all Americans but it won't. You can't call for stringing up the people yesterday that vandalized and fought police and not call for stringing up the left that rioted.


But that's were we seem to be. We can only see the harm when it's the people you don't support but if you supported what we witnessed this summer, then you are surely to blame too. Over look the violence in one group and you have given tacit permission for the other group to do the same thing.



Anybody that cheered on the people assaulting the Federal building in Portland, are equally guilty of causing what happened yesterday. Democrats do not have clean hands in this matter but only those that committed violence last summer and yesterday and anybody that looks the other way with both groups, is to blame. People not being held accountable for their actions, will get you more people repeating what they saw with no consequences attached.



When I was posting yesterday before the woman was shot, I said that armed police were on the other side of the doors to the House floor with guns drawn aimed at that door. I said if anybody tried to enter that room, the heart of our democracy,they should be shot......... and she was.


Jacob Blake was held accountable for his actions too but the left won't see it that way. The left, sorry, some on the left, many on the left, are telling their people to ignore the orders of police. That if you have a knife in your hand as Blake finally admitted to after the mouth pieces for the radical left tried to tell us he didn't have and a police officer is giving you commands to stop, don't be surprised if you get shot.


If you are trying to break down the door to a place you are not supposed to be and there are police on the other side of that door, guns drawn aimed at that door, don't be shocked if you are shot.


Will Americans ever learn this lesson? No, they will not because there are to many people telling them they did nothing wrong when we all know or should know, they did.


All I have ever asked is equal justice under the law. If you looked the other way when the federal building in Portland was being assaulted, you are just as much to blame as the idiots that tried to assault the capital because you were not willing to hold the previous group accountable


Until we hold all people accountable for their violent acts regardless of which group they belong to, this bullshit will keep happening.


This is in no way a defense of Trump and what happened yesterday but Trump, just like the Democrat leaders last summer, said "take to the streets and protest". Neither explicitly said "commit violence" but this is what happens when we don't stop it the first time it happens. It will surely happen again as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow.

Thank you for some sanity.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Thank you for some sanity.

Yes. He is a good and decent Conservative. And I know I do it too, but that guy is Mr.:

He just can't take my lunacy.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Well said (or written I guess) and for the most part I don’t disagree. I do believe that Trump has pushed and pushed further to the unhinged and sadly pushed those folks to the capital.

And like yesterday’s republicans, the Dems this summer did condemn repeatedly the violence and looting and riots. They also stated that those people should be arrested and tried. It just was never played on Fox and other right wing media because the narrative was that Dems were anti-law and order so they could play up Trump. But that’s neither here nor there.

As I always do, I just did a Google search and there are many articles that say that some Democrats including Biden did speak out against violence but there is also this and it is not from right wing media.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...ycy-story.html


The silence of Joe Biden and the Democrats on the violence in the cities

Joe Biden, the smiling figurehead who Democrats have nominated for president, closed his party’s virtual convention with a speech that proved two things about him.

The man can still ably deliver a well-written speech.
And he still has great message discipline.

Because he did what the other Democrats did over their four-day infomercial, make constant references to their own virtue and empathy, while portraying President Donald Trump as evil incarnate, a dark lord without virtue and without an empathetic bone in his body.



But through all that talk, Biden and the Democrats avoided saying anything about what many Americans are talking about now:

The violence, political and otherwise, plaguing American big cities run by liberal Democratic mayors.

The entire country sees the spiking street crime, the 50% increase in murders in some cities, looting in the downtowns, those news videos of people being pulled out of their cars and beaten, knocked out on the sidewalk, and cops pummeled in violent political confrontations.

Biden was silent about all that. I wish he hadn’t been. But he was.

But Biden and national Democrats can’t acknowledge any of it. They’re desperate to avoid it. They have nothing to say to it.

And the conflict inside their party rages on, out on the streets, where America can see it.

Trump will roll down that law-and-order road at the Republican virtual convention. He’s a politician, now, too. That’s what politicians do. Like wolves, they take advantage of weakness.

But Trump didn’t pave that road he’s on.

Biden and the national Democratic Party paved it for him, with silence that is consent.

And this

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-didnt-biden-condemn-antifa-and-bernie-sanders-11601586778

Why Didn’t Biden Condemn Antifa and Bernie Sanders?

Not since George McGovern has a Democrat presidential nominee been so welcoming of extremist allies.

In Tuesday night’s presidential debate in Cleveland, former Vice President Joe Biden said that violence is never “appropriate” but he did not condemn people who have been perpetrating it in cities across America. Taking the opportunity to address directly the antifa movement, Mr. Biden simply described its lack of centralized structure.
The Journal’s Jillian Melchior reports:

What is antifa? “An idea, not an organization,” Joe Biden said during Tuesday’s debate. “When a bat hits you over the head, that’s not an idea,” President Trump countered. “Antifa is a dangerous, radical group.” Both men are right—Mr. Biden that antifa is foremost an ideology, and Mr. Trump about its propensity for violence.

Could Mr. Biden possibly be unaware of the street violence in U.S. cities inflicted for months by leftist radicals? Antifa is not the only really bad idea. Similar groups go by different names and Mr. Biden didn’t choose to condemn any of them.

But I will concede that Fox news did not go out of their way to promote the idea that Democrats as a whole were equally condemning the violence and I still believe that what ever was said by Democrats was not enough. So at best, as in a lot of cases, there are mixed messages and mixed opinions but I think what is being said above is that while Biden and some other Democrats leaders did "mention" the violence, I would completely disagree with your belief that any of them called for arrests and prosecutions. As I just posted in another thread, we know that many Democrat supporters and even our new Vice President, contributed funds to bail out even the violent protesters, who in my opinion were the greater number of people arrested. Democrats like Harris were painting the picture that most of those arrested were not violent, just innocent by-standers and even if they did commit violent acts, it was justified.

But rather than trying to prove you wrong, let me say that we have both aired our opinion and let them stand for themselves.

I am curious though why it wasn’t just a few people that were storming the capital, there were thousands on the capital and possibly hundreds entering the capital. But they were allowed to just leave even after breaking the law rather than being arrested. That’s shameful.

Yes it is but it seems to be following what the Democrats were suggesting happen to their groups of violent protesters. Remember when that Mayor, I forget the city, said "let them do their thing, it's only property and property can be replaced"? Mayor after Democratic Mayor, repeated "let them get it out of their system". I heard some reports that capital police were instructed, just like the police in Portland and other cities, not to escalate the situation by cops fighting and trying to arrest protesters. Just try to stand your ground and all this will be over soon. So it seems to me that the Capital police were just following the same pattern that the Democrats did. Personally, I would like to see every single person that entered the capital building arrested and prosecuted but we seem to be in this age that we overlook this shameful behavior.

So, we have peacefully aired our opinions in a completely civil manner ( not counting my one hiccup) I hope we keep it up in the new year.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Yes. He is a good and decent Conservative. And I know I do it too, but that guy is Mr.:

He just can't take my lunacy.

Also his posts are way to fucking long and he is rather thin skinned.

Other than that he is the typical Reagan Republican....much more tolerable than these Trump loons.

[Yssup Rider]

DEATH TOLL IS FOUR

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Yes it is but it seems to be following what the Democrats were suggesting happen to their groups of violent protesters. Remember when that Mayor, I forget the city, said "let them do their thing, it's only property and property can be replaced"? Mayor after Democratic Mayor, repeated "let them get it out of their system". I heard some reports that capital police were instructed, just like the police in Portland and other cities, not to escalate the situation by cops fighting and trying to arrest protesters. Just try to stand your ground and all this will be over soon. So it seems to me that the Capital police were just following the same pattern that the Democrats did. Personally, I would like to see every single person that entered the capital building arrested and prosecuted but we seem to be in this age that we overlook this shameful behavior.

So, we have peacefully aired our opinions in a completely civil manner ( not counting my one hiccup) I hope we keep it up in the new year.

Where I think we differ on this is that all that’s fine and dandy while they were outside on the capital lawn, street and outer pavilion that’s fine. Let them be rowdy and tear up a barricade. Once they began to overrun the barricade and take the capital steps and inner pavilion that is when things changed. And the. When they began to break exterior window and breach the doors and take the interior of the Capital, that’s when gunfire should have began to force them out of the capital.

Imagine if that were the White House of the Supreme Court. Surely, we wouldnt permit such a breach even if the idea was to try to deescalate the crowd.

[Tsmokies]

It may be that trump will go down in history as the biggest shit stain on American politics and the deranged idiot that now requires secret service snipers on top of the capital building. So many tax dollars wasted the last 4 years and the making America look really stupid

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by WTF

Also his posts are way to fucking long and he is rather thin skinned.

Other than that he is the typical Reagan Republican....much more tolerable than these Trump loons.

I remember calling out Ranky (I B Hankering) as a typical Reaganite when I first showed up on this scene. It was so easy to decipher. All the same shit I heard in my formative years. He could take my shit. And he was fun to fuck with. He'd fuck with me.

This guy puts me on ignore because he is the literal type. I threw out "Schiff for Vice" as bait, and he bit. At the time, the imparchment was raging. Now we have another Cali prosecutor for Vice.

A minority woman who decides the Senate. Wow! I like Schiff. Maybe it's the Hollywood thing.

Anyway. HedoFo is cool. Just can't take my antics.

[1blackman1]

I think the death toll is 5. 4 Trumpys and unfortunately 1 Capital Police officer.

[winn dixie]

A pile of dims across the nation would of been bitter sweet