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Old 11-06-2020, 11:31 PM   #1
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Default How did trump lose PA? He didn't. He never had it.

trump let us know he would cry about fraud long before the election and he wanted his minions to vote in person. Because he had the postal system sabotaged. He knew there would be delayed delivery or "lost" ballots and his blind followers had been convinced the virus was a hoax. They had proved it time and time again that crowds were okay and no mask needed. Cases of the virus (and the deaths that will follow) are spiking to record levels right now, btw.
And of course this is too simple for the illegal votes crowd.
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That 4 million votes that Biden will win by is probably much higher than that.

Biden didn’t ‘take the lead’ in Pennsylvania. If he wins, he always had it.

In the weeks before Nov. 3, millions of mail-in ballots were submitted by voters in every county in Pennsylvania. On Election Day itself, millions more voters went to polling places to cast ballots weighing in on a slew of political contests, none receiving more scrutiny than the race for president. It seems almost certain by now that more of those votes will have been cast for former vice president Joe Biden than President Trump, handing Biden a victory in the state.


Given the allegations being made by Trump in his desperate bid to hold power, it’s important to reiterate this point. It’s not that Biden on Friday morning moved into the lead in the state; it’s that the counting finally caught up with reality.

This reality was obvious days ago. On Wednesday morning, about 12 hours after polls closed in Pennsylvania, I noted that the outstanding vote in the state was more than enough to give Biden a healthy lead, based on the number of ballots and where they were cast. Over the next 48 hours, those ballots were — slowly — counted, and, sure enough, Biden received more of them.


We like to think about the vote-counting process the way we consider sporting contests, a jockeying back-and-forth between competitors. But it’s not that. It’s as though, instead, a football game took place in private with the scoring plays released to the public after the fact, in random order.

Say that the Pittsburgh Steelers are playing the Philadelphia Eagles in a closed stadium, with no television cameras. The Steelers quickly score four touchdowns, giving them a 28-point lead. The Eagles score three field goals and two touchdowns, each time having the Steelers score another touchdown in response. Final score, 63-23 Steelers.

Now imagine that those results are conveyed to the public with the Eagles’ scoring plays all reported first, maybe with a Steelers touchdown thrown into the mix. It would seem like the Eagles were winning, with the Steelers struggling to catch up. But that’s obviously not what actually happened. Listeners would learn that the Steelers did win, handily, but it would have seemed like a very different game.

How you convey the results matters. Let’s use the specific example of Pennsylvania, looking at the results by county as of this writing. If we were to count the votes that are in from the most- to least-friendly Trump counties, it looks like Trump has a massive lead into which Biden slowly eats. If we instead count in the opposite order, from the counties where Biden did best to the ones where he did worst, it’s Biden who appears to have had his lead erode.

This is all artificial! The ballots were already in and, in each case, counting them necessarily leads to the same place. Just as with that hypothetical football game, it’s just the order of the counting that generates a sense of flow.


What actually happened in Pennsylvania, incidentally, mirrors the graph at left above. Votes that were counted on Election Day came in first, and those heavily favored Trump. The reason isn’t a mystery; he had spent months disparaging mail-in ballots, assertions that his supporters appear to have taken to heart. Since those votes were counted more quickly, it seemed as though he had a lead — a perception that Trump tried to use to claim victory in the state.

Then the mail-in ballots were counted, and the reality was made apparent.

It’s critical to note, yet again, that this was preventable. Pennsylvania could have counted most absentee ballots in advance, as other states do, but its Republican legislature declined to allow that to happen. Why? It’s hard not to assume that the GOP lawmakers were motivated to have the results be revealed precisely as they were, giving Trump the space to make his rhetorical claims about victory. After all, Trump had telegraphed for months that he hoped to question mail-in ballots that were obviously going to favor Biden; it’s not a wild leap of logic to assume that members of his party were uninterested in thwarting his ability to do that.

And sure enough, in the past two days, Trump and his supporters have tried to claim that the vote in Pennsylvania is somehow being “stolen” from Trump. Again, that’s false. The ballots being counted were in by Nov. 3. There’s no indication at all that ballots submitted past that point are being included in the totals or that votes were somehow sneaked into the mix. On Wednesday morning, the totals clearly indicated that Trump was likely to lose; illicitly adding more ballots after that point wouldn’t have mattered anyway, not that it happened.

We do this to ourselves. We do it in part because it’s fun to watch the votes being counted, to seeing Wolf Blitzer on CNN breathlessly talking about how the margins are shifting. But in this case, it’s harmful. In this case, it allows Trump and his allies to claim that something funky is happening.

Nothing funky is happening. Something boring is happening: Votes are being counted. And assuming Biden’s lead holds — a fair assumption — all that we’re learning is what those votes submitted by Nov. 3 said on Nov. 3.

It’s not mysterious or nefarious. It’s democracy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...always-had-it/


But it doesn't matter what I say. The proof is in the shitter.

trump is the shitty-bowl man and he is going down with his ship.

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Old 11-06-2020, 11:43 PM   #2
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Bullshit! Philadelphia is gonna find votes for joe till he wins!

The numbers dont match in Penn. compared to anything in History! This town is nearly as crooked as chicago!
Their literally making up the rules as they go! And avoiding the election laws they dont like!

Next up total b/s!!---------............3-2-1-
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:50 PM   #3
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Idiot Crem man, dont be a dummy. It is over. Trump lost. Biden won. I love the whining, give us more.
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:39 AM   #4
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Idiot Crem man, dont be a dummy. It is over. Trump lost. Biden won. I love the whining, give us more.
Its over because the dims say so. But the election was stolen
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Voter confidence in this election is at an all time low!
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:48 AM   #6
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Voter confidence in this election is at an all time low!
amongst the Idiot Crew.
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Old 11-07-2020, 09:51 AM   #7
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Bullshit! Philadelphia is gonna find votes for joe till he wins!

The numbers dont match in Penn. compared to anything in History! This town is nearly as crooked as chicago!
Their literally making up the rules as they go! And avoiding the election laws they dont like!

Next up total b/s!!---------............3-2-1-
How about you start proving — or at least trying to prove — your hysterical claims, WDB?

All youve done is bluster, blather and blither.

So far, Trump’s legal battles are being rejected by judge after judge, in red and blue states. He has assaulted the integrity of our electoral process and somehow convinced himself — and the utter idiots who believe him — that states which have conducted free and fair elections no differently since the foundation of this nation are somehow conspiring to steal something from him.

For a change Trump is playing to his base.

And from your incessant whining and mewling, he’s connected with the likes of you WDB.

Ease up and wise up.

And await future orders... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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It how to find many states looking at map of russia.
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It how...............
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Old 11-10-2020, 08:15 PM   #10
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answer: oink oink oink!!!
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How about you start proving — or at least trying to prove — your hysterical claims, WDB?

All youve done is bluster, blather and blither.

So far, Trump’s legal battles are being rejected by judge after judge, in red and blue states. He has assaulted the integrity of our electoral process and somehow convinced himself — and the utter idiots who believe him — that states which have conducted free and fair elections no differently since the foundation of this nation are somehow conspiring to steal something from him.

For a change Trump is playing to his base.

And from your incessant whining and mewling, he’s connected with the likes of you WDB.

Ease up and wise up.

And await future orders... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Is your points adding up? I see youre using the hoes hummer
handle more. lolling
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:56 AM   #12
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No points, WDB. No obstruction. No collusion.

And you’ve been squealing like a stuck pig for a full week nonstop.

You’re not tired yet? Why not take a nice vacation. Forget the madk, there is no pandemic, right?

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