The trump virus

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Remember when this used to be normal?:
Achooo!
Bless you

Now it's:
Achooo!
We're all gonna die!!

Get a freak'n grip people. If you're scared - stay the fuck home and hide. We got delivery of everything, right to your basement door. Just ask Joe-mentia Hiden. Maybe somebody will miss seeing you in public. Meh. If you feel the need to satiate your desire to control others; borrow someone else's cat and boss it around.

Your 2021 New Years resolution options:

• get a frick'n clue
• quit the fear-porn
• learn to think for yourself
• take care of your body
• Pick any four!

WTF? The grip you get should be your own.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Wearing a mask is like holding a piece of paper in front of you as protection against bullets. It won't stop the bullet but you can say that it does offer some protection.
I haven't heard anyone here say that masks are useless. What we do say is you don't have the authority of demand that I wear a mask. For what protection a mask does offer, if you are constantly handling it then you are negating much of the protection by contamination.

There are many laws in place that restrict rights of individuals to act as they would prefer. Seat belts are required to be worn while driving. I can't text while driving. I can't drink and drive. These are just a few restrictions on my daily life that are put in place for everyone and are believed to be in the best interest for us.

Masks are a pain in the ass, especially when working out. Politicians on both sides of the aisle have to make decisions that they believe are in the best interests of all. Not an easy job. As I said, our Texas Republican governor has made mask wearing mandatory on a county-by-county basis and I support his decision.

[reddog1951]

YSID-
"This is my # 2 pet peeve about he virus hub-bub: An ounce of prevention is worth more than a ton of cure. The government scientists should be scientists first and foremost and give out solid evidence and advice. Even Fauci the Fruad eventually came out and said that he takes vitamins C & D as preventative, aka immune system boosters. Should have been much more focus on clinical health versus political and economic advice."

So, I suppose politicians are exempt from having to give out sound advice based on solid evidence? It is well documented by Woodward that Mr. Trump has and continues to skew information he knows and apparently believes about the nature of the virus. He's still posturing that a vaccine is weeks away.

"My #1 pet peeve is still chYna lying and covering up data and information that could have saved a whole lot of grieve world wide."

I'm so tired of the cry-babys that say "it's his fault not mine". It's here, as far as control is concerned, it doesn't matter where it came from. If one contracs syphilis from a provider, should they be blaming her rather than get treated? Or should they continue to have unprotected sex and maybe infect others? Or should they "fess up" to public health about exposures so they can do contact tracing? Sorry, but it's not all about you.

[reddog1951]

Glock-
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For example, the ventilators people wouldn't shut up about 6 months ago are actually fucking useless now that they understand better how the virus works. You can't pump air into lungs that are so inflamed that they're physically incapable, and you can't get oxygen into your brain when your blood has thickened up into gravy"

We finally agree on something. We did not need more ventilators. There were more that enough, but the federal government failed to take leadership. Early on, the feds COULD have said: OK, Midwest and Southwest, ship your ventilators to New York (maybe even have the army provide logistics) and then to the next Hotspot until eventually returned. Instead, we got the Jared Kushner Logistics Show with states bidding against each other for supplies (his salary on taxpayer's dime).

What we needed was N95 masks, largely made in China. Not just for health care workers, but the general public as well. That way, those who choose to protect themselves could without having to rely on the other guy to protect them. We should have invoked whatever war act to produce them, rather than ventilators and certainly rather than shipping large numbers to China. Expect that Numerous Uno doesn't look good in a mask. Sorry, but the Administration failed.

[reddog1951]

Glock-
"The problem then was that we then had 50 Non-Technical People making technical decisions, and a lot of them went poorly for a lot of reasons."

Sorry to have to be the one to point this out, but you just shot yourself in the ass. That is exactly why we have the CDC, NIH, Mayo Clinic, etc. Director of Health in my state of Missouri is a joke and governor is one of only two in the country without a bachelor's degree.

[reddog1951]

Dilbert-

"the virus is 1 nano microns thick. the n95 mask and other masks are 3 nano microns thick or higher."

This has been addressed ad nauseum, but evidently you unaware: The mask doesn't trap the virus itself, but does trap the droplets that carry it (minor exceptions due to aerosols, but not the rule). And no, viruses do not crawl around once trapped. See below, the ordinary cloth mask doesn't need to trap viral particles, just snot.

"the mask just reduces the chance of getting a virus, it won't completely eliminate it."

True, much like condoms, except that the mask is effective in preventing you from infecting the other, whereas condom work (or don't) both ways.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

We finally agree on something. We did not need more ventilators. There were more that enough, but the federal government failed to take leadership. Early on, the feds COULD have said: OK, Midwest and Southwest, ship your ventilators to New York (maybe even have the army provide logistics) and then to the next Hotspot until eventually returned. Instead, we got the Jared Kushner Logistics Show with states bidding against each other for supplies (his salary on taxpayer's dime).

What we needed was N95 masks, largely made in China. Not just for health care workers, but the general public as well. That way, those who choose to protect themselves could without having to rely on the other guy to protect them. We should have invoked whatever war act to produce them, rather than ventilators and certainly rather than shipping large numbers to China. Expect that Numerous Uno doesn't look good in a mask. Sorry, but the Administration failed.

Whatever we spent on ventilators was a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of Covid. As I posted here back in March, we should have approached this like war, ramping up production of masks, testing reagents, ventilators, etc. And enlisting tens or even hundreds of thousands of the recently unemployed to become contact tracers. Maybe pay for lodging at underutilized hotels to quarantine travelers until test results come back, or to provide space for people who are infected and unable to isolate at home. We would have wasted a good bit of the money, including what we spent on ventilators. We might have spent over $100 billion. But overall it would have paid off in spades.

Now the Trump Administration actually did some of this. Not enough, but some. The ventilators are an example. Operation Warp Speed, to encourage development of vaccines and having the infrastructure in place when they're ready, is a better example of something we're doing well. Unfortunately Trump shot himself in the foot, because at the same time he was claiming the virus was no big deal. And he was encouraging bad behavior, by for example not requiring masks in the White House or at his rallies. If he hadn't done that he would have increased his chances for re-election, a lot.

[reddog1951]

Thanks Tiny, seems like you agree that it was not managed well.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

This has been addressed ad nauseum, but evidently you unaware: The mask doesn't trap the virus itself, but does trap the droplets that carry it (minor exceptions due to aerosols, but not the rule). And no, viruses do not crawl around once trapped. See below, the ordinary cloth mask doesn't need to trap viral particles, just snot.

"the mask just reduces the chance of getting a virus, it won't completely eliminate it."

True, much like condoms, except that the mask is effective in preventing you from infecting the other, whereas condom work (or don't) both ways.

Correct. First, the virion doesn't travel by itself, but rather attached to water vapor and organic residue. Second, the mask doesn't work as a filter, except for larger droplets. For small particles containing the virus, electrostatic attraction from and diffusion onto the fibers of the mask are what are trapping the virus. Third, you're right, the mask not only reduces the chance of getting a virus. But also many believe that if you're exposed to lower viral loads when you're infected, you won't get as sick.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Thanks Tiny, seems like you agree that it was not managed well.

Not nearly as well as we were capable of doing, if our governments, our institutions, and our populace had all been on board and at the top of their game. And that's the way we should have been. We're the United States of America. We have the best epidemiologists in the world. We have people like Bill Gates and, back 15 years ago, George W. Bush who were shouting from the rooftops that this was going to happen someday. But instead of reacting like say South Korea and Taiwan, who have been barely affected in terms of lives lost and economic damage, we're just a notch above the Latin American banana republics that have fared the worst through this crisis.

[reddog1951]

Just curious, is the pandemic playback left by the previous administration publicly available? I'd like to glance at it.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

Just curious, is the pandemic playback left by the previous administration publicly available? I'd like to glance at it.

Here's an article about George W. Bush's playbook from 2005. Unfortunately, through the years of the Obama and Trump administrations, our preparedness diminished.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/geor...ry?id=69979013

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

F that schiznick.

And you wonder why so many folk think so highly of the 2nd amendment and exactly why it was created in the first place.

I have but one question only. And I think it really is a question of fairness. Will the contact tracers be provided their own, individual, body bag with a pre-printed shipping label for return? It think it is unfair of you to expect the rest of us to pay for them, once they use them, especially considering we have to pay for our own ammo. But we do want to do the right thing by returning them promptly.

Honorable Commandant Tiny! <raises hand>
Yes, Quazi-moto in the back.
Honorable Commandant Tiny, are you outta your fcuking mind?!?

Originally Posted by Tiny

Whatever we spent on ventilators was a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of Covid. As I posted here back in March, we should have approached this like war, ramping up production of masks, testing reagents, ventilators, etc. And enlisting tens or even hundreds of thousands of the recently unemployed to become contact tracers. Maybe pay for lodging at underutilized hotels to quarantine travelers until test results come back, or to provide space for people who are infected and unable to isolate at home. We would have wasted a good bit of the money, including what we spent on ventilators. We might have spent over $100 billion. But overall it would have paid off in spades.

Now the Trump Administration actually did some of this. Not enough, but some. The ventilators are an example. Operation Warp Speed, to encourage development of vaccines and having the infrastructure in place when they're ready, is a better example of something we're doing well. Unfortunately Trump shot himself in the foot, because at the same time he was claiming the virus was no big deal. And he was encouraging bad behavior, by for example not requiring masks in the White House or at his rallies. If he'd done that he would have increased his chances for re-election, a lot.

[reddog1951]

YSID-
Please repeat your latest post in understandable English. Hard to follow.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

F that schiznick.

And you wonder why so many folk think so highly of the 2nd amendment and exactly why it was created in the first place.

I have but one question only. And I think it really is a question of fairness. Will the contact tracers be provided their own, individual, body bag with a pre-printed shipping label for return? It think it is unfair of you to expect the rest of us to pay for them, once they use them, especially considering we have to pay for our own ammo. But we do want to do the right thing by returning them promptly.

Honorable Commandant Tiny! <raises hand>
Yes, Quazi-moto in the back.
Honorable Commandant Tiny, are you outta your fcuking mind?!?

Haha! If I'm commandant, they're not going to track you down and send you off to an interment camp, to await transfer to the gas chamber. They tell you that you came into contact with someone with Covid, make arrangements for you to get tested, and ask you to stay at home until you get the results back. Hunting down and eliminating a contract tracer after he calls you would be total overkill.

Obviously you've never had to cross swords with a V.D. caseworker over a case of gonorrhea. What I'm proposing is much less intrusive.

When Covid isn't out of control, this can be very effective in preventing the spread. Germany, South Korea, Taiwan and other countries have had a lot of success with it. Could you spend the money on this and have it turn out like the ventilators? Yes, I suppose, especially in situations where the Covid is out of control. But it's a low cost investment that could pay off big.