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Old 08-29-2020, 09:45 AM   #91
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i recognize l-17 - you are an anti-vaxxer - and i have neither time nor interest in futile attempts to educate you. Buy a book on immunology - i do not believe you are serious about your question, have any interest in an answer , nor will change your opinion regardless.



You do have the freedom - and will under a conservative POTUS - to refuse vaccinations for yourself.

Not so much required vaccinations for disease prevention for children entering public schools.



You will not have that freedom under a racist, marxist DPST K. Harris regime - which will force all people in their Amerika to toe their racist, marxist DPST narrative line.
No, I am not an Anti-Vaxer, not in the sense you think I am. Furthermore I don't need you to educate me on the aspects of Public Health Concerns I've had two Pathology courses in my life time so I am familiar with a few things associated with Public Health including vaccines. My major concern is this Covid-19 the tests and the urgency for a Vaccine. All these other vaccines associated with Childhood diseases ect. I am not concerned about any of that, they are'nt associated with Covid-19.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:38 AM   #92
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Got my 2nd shot yesterday. Now have to wait for 4 weeks before blood tests to determine if my immune system has been positively impacted. Of course, the odds are 50-50 that I have received a placebo.

Are these vaccines safe?

Vaccines are, in general, overwhelmingly safe – even more so when one considers the personal and societal costs of the diseases they prevent. The same should hold true with the coronavirus vaccines under development. Coronavirus vaccines use different approaches, but none involve viruses that can multiply and cause disease. They’re designed to sharpen the immune system by introducing inactivated viruses, viral proteins, or genetic instructions (RNA or DNA) that tell the recipient’s cells to produce viral proteins for the immune system’s training.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:43 AM   #93
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SR - i am glad you chose to participate - but be careful - the AntiVaxxers are a potent lobby - and do like to pursue and destroy those who print FACTs they are 'offended' by.

I forsee the AntiVaxxers will force harris to end all vaccines in America.

Which she will do gladly - just as Pelosi, Garcetti, and Schumer, enabled a fourthworld outbreak of infectious disease with their denial of sanitation to homeless in LA.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:47 AM   #94
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But they can Overload the immune system and Thrimsol ( mercury ) cause issues , Redfield said it yesterday the N95 mask is more effective then the vaccine
Oh and PS I'm not a anti vaxer You have to make your own informed
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:48 AM   #95
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SR - i am glad you chose to participate - but be careful - the AntiVaxxers are a potent lobby - and do like to pursue and destroy those who print FACTs they are 'offended' by.

I forsee the AntiVaxxers will force harris to end all vaccines in America.

Which she will do gladly - just as Pelosi, Garcetti, and Schumer, enabled a fourthworld outbreak of infectious disease with their denial of sanitation to homeless in LA.
I'm glad to see we agree on SOMETHING. lol.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:56 AM   #96
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But they can Overload the immune system and Thrimsol ( mercury ) cause issues , Redfield said it yesterday the N95 mask is more effective then the vaccine
Oh and PS I'm not a anti vaxer You have to make your own informed



https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...sal/index.html
Thimerosal and Vaccines


Questions and Concerns

Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.




About Thimerosal

Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.
Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.

Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.

Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.

The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.

Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.

Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.

Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.

There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.

The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.

Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.

Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.

Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.
For a complete list of vaccines and their thimerosal content level, see the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Thimerosal in Vaccinesexternal icon page. This chart pdf icon[PDF – 4 pages] shows vaccine ingredients sorted by vaccine.
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Featured Resource: Understanding Thimerosal, Mercury, and Vaccine Safety pdf icon[PDF – 300 KB]




https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/con...lor-office.pdf



Understanding Thimerosal, Mercury, and Vaccine Safety For more information on vaccines, vaccine-preventable diseases, and vaccine safety: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/conversationsLast reviewed Februar y 2013 Thimerosal is a mercur y-containing compound that prevents the growth of dangerous bacteria and fungus. It is used as a preservative for flu vaccines in multi-dose vials, to keep the vaccine free from contamination. Thimerosal is also used during the manufacturing process for some vaccines to prevent the growth of microbes. In 1999, as a precautionar y measure, the U.S. Public Health Ser vice recommended removing thimerosal as a preservative from vaccines to reduce mercury exposure among infants as much as possible. Today, except for some flu vaccines in multi-dose vials, no recommended childhood vaccines contain thimerosal as a preservative. In all other recommended childhood vaccines, no thimerosal is present, or the amount of thimerosal is close to zero. No reputable scientific studies have found an association between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. There are two different compounds that contain mercury: ethylmercur y and methylmercury. The low levels of ethylmercury in vaccines are broken down by the body differently and clear out of the blood more quickly than methylmercury.


Comment - Thimerisol is only present - in minute quantities - in certain influenza A vaccines - which are not required for children to attend school.

Influenza a vaccines are not required of the american population.



Please do your research.
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Old 09-17-2020, 12:04 PM   #97
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Interesting reading. Paragraphs about how wonderful and safe it is, yet the US Health Service recommend “removing thimerosal as a preservative from vaccines to reduce mercury exposure among infants as much as possible.”
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Old 09-17-2020, 01:28 PM   #98
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Got my 2nd shot yesterday. Now have to wait for 4 weeks before blood tests to determine if my immune system has been positively impacted. Of course, the odds are 50-50 that I have received a placebo.

Are these vaccines safe?

Vaccines are, in general, overwhelmingly safe – even more so when one considers the personal and societal costs of the diseases they prevent. The same should hold true with the coronavirus vaccines under development. Coronavirus vaccines use different approaches, but none involve viruses that can multiply and cause disease. They’re designed to sharpen the immune system by introducing inactivated viruses, viral proteins, or genetic instructions (RNA or DNA) that tell the recipient’s cells to produce viral proteins for the immune system’s training.
Hahahaha, So is that what they told you, Your Immune System needs Training?
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In a form of concept - that is exactly what vaccines do - 'train' the immune system to respond to the disease agent vaccinated against.

For further information and specifics on how the immune system functions - consult /take an immunology course. .
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Old 09-17-2020, 01:44 PM   #100
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In a form of concept - that is exactly what vaccines do - 'train' the immune system to respond to the disease agent vaccinated against.

For further information and specifics on how the immune system functions - consult /take an immunology course. .
I've taken Pathology courses. I might just know more about this subject than you might think. I am also very well versed in diet and exercise from training in Bodybuilding Competition which I engaged in in my early thirties. The average Doctor has limited knowledge of diet and exercise so they are much more prone to prescribe drugs to their patients to combat a disease or condition. Furthermore a person can still get Covid-19 or any other Virus even if they've been vaccinated for it. It's nothing special.
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:56 PM   #101
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L17 - you are correct tht many physicians have poor training in nutrition and holistic medicine.

That is why we have nutritionists.



and - since there are no currently available vaccines for wuhan virus - i ask you to reproduce the reference for your last sentence statement above.
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Old 09-17-2020, 05:28 PM   #102
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L17 - you are correct tht many physicians have poor training in nutrition and holistic medicine.

That is why we have nutritionists.



and - since there are no currently available vaccines for wuhan virus - i ask you to reproduce the reference for your last sentence statement above.
Haven't you ever heard of someone getting the Flu Shot and still gets the Flu? I am sure the same would hold true for Covid-19. We don't live in a perfect world. I say it's nothing special because it really isn't. I will say this though, If a person takes the Flu shot year after year for many years and doesn't get the Flu I wouldn't skip a year. By that same token if a person doesn't regularly take a Flu shot and doesn't have an incident of the Flu for many seasons, I wouldn't change anything there either.
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Old 09-17-2020, 06:59 PM   #103
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Denial and deflection - and refusal to answer the question.



Influenza A vaccines are started more than a year ahead - and targeted at what manufacturers 'think' the virus genome will be. Influenza A mutates rapidly - and the vaccine efficacy varies from year to year. Not all people given a flu shot will be completely protected - however, most of those who do get vaccinated and develop influenza have a much less serious course of disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-wor...ss-studies.htm
Above are references for Influenza a vaccine seasonal and yearly effectiveness - and mechanisms of that variance.

Deflection answered




and - since there are no currently available vaccines for wuhan virus - i ask you to reproduce the reference for your last sentence statement above.
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Denial and deflection - and refusal to answer the question.



Influenza A vaccines are started more than a year ahead - and targeted at what manufacturers 'think' the virus genome will be. Influenza A mutates rapidly - and the vaccine efficacy varies from year to year. Not all people given a flu shot will be completely protected - however, most of those who do get vaccinated and develop influenza have a much less serious course of disease.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-wor...ss-studies.htm
Above are references for Influenza a vaccine seasonal and yearly effectiveness - and mechanisms of that variance.

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and - since there are no currently available vaccines for wuhan virus - i ask you to reproduce the reference for your last sentence statement above.
That was my opinion based on the Flu vaccine effectiveness.
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Science deniers. How very typical of the WSND herd mentality.

So many dead.
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