Texas breaks 10,000 cases in one day

[rexdutchman]

DPST Covid 19 scam is SCARE/DECEIVE to push mail in voting so your cant an dog can vote for Joey

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Kinkster90210

This is patently FALSE. Yet you keep saying it. A severe YEAR of flu kills about 50-60K. We are already double that in less than 6 months.

The Spanish flu of 1918-1919 is generally regarded as the worst ever pandemic. In 2 years, it killed between 300K and 800K, depending on what source you cite. But the US population was only one third of the 2020 population. So, multiply those numbers by 3 to scale it to the current population - 900K to 2.4 million.

At current projections, we will have 250K dead by the end of the year - and that is only about 10 actual months of deaths. If the second year (2021) matches 2020, then we are looking at over 500K dead.

There is NO reason to believe that there is any seasonal variation in CV-19. And there is no reason to believe we will have a vaccine before we are well into 2021.

Since we will start from a much higher case count in January 2021, it is easy to believe that the death count will match or exceed 2020, even if we lower the death rate.

So, the 500K number is not a worst case scenario. It has a significant possibility of occurring. We are in the same ballpark as the Spanish flu. FAR worse than an ordinary "severe" flu season.

One is comparing apples and oranges - as usual -

so - what do you recommend to do different K/?
go hide in One's home and let teh economy be destroyed - so China nd russia come in and make Venezuela of us?
Post something constructive for a change.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

I've looked through literally over a thousand charts and data sets looking for a chart of Reported cases over time, aka new cases, by week or day, versus tests performed, from the same source. I'm thinking a basic bar chart of reported cases on X-axis, with an overlay line (like a trend line concept) of tests performed for the same data points (dates), though it could also be a second bar set across X-axis, though I realize the Y-axis may have to be dual scaled - ideally by Country, but mainly just ours, i.e. USA, USA, USA. Anyone gots it?

As an example: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/coron...ay-may-11.html

You can toggle between New or Cumulative - Tests or Cases, but can't put them together, side by side, and it's only for Upstate NY. To be fair, that data set is downloadable, so I could create a chart of it as I described above, just for UpstateNY though.

If'n you know of one, please share a link.

[matchingmole]

[rexdutchman]

Now the LSM is counting cases from last year and "adding " as "new " To see how Psy ops is playing everybody check out Joe Fair the Nbc dr that was sick and tested negative like 10 times but he just had to have the Covid

[TheDaliLama]

Ron Paul:

The daily death count has morphed into a daily "new case" count, as 100,000 tests a day have exploded into 700,000 tests. Is it a wonder cases are increasing? But what they dare don't mention is that deaths and even the death rate continue to decline. In FACT the CDC warns that Covid is at the stage where it cannot even be classified an epidemic due to declining deaths. Still, more masks are required and petty dictators all around are calling for a return to lockdown.

Can the truth ever be heard above all the lies?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Ron Paul:

The daily death count has morphed into a daily "new case" count, as 100,000 tests a day have exploded into 700,000 tests. Is it a wonder cases are increasing? But what they dare don't mention is that deaths and even the death rate continue to decline. In FACT the CDC warns that Covid is at the stage where it cannot even be classified an epidemic due to declining deaths. Still, more masks are required and petty dictators all around are calling for a return to lockdown.

Can the truth ever be heard above all the lies?

I'm a fan of Ron Paul, although he's got strange ideas about monetary policy. He's wrong about the masks. Masks, social distancing, testing/contact tracing, and washing hands are the way to get out of this without decimating the economy, that is, without lockdowns.

And, in fact, you can probably add masks to the list of reasons (e.g. Remdesivir, Dexamethasone, better treatment practices, paying more attention to the old folks homes) why the infection fatality rate is declining. Or, in other words, why in some places the number of cases is increasing, while the number of deaths is declining, as described by Ron Paul:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...he-coronavirus

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm a fan of Ron Paul, although he's got strange ideas about monetary policy. He's wrong about the masks. Masks, social distancing, testing/contact tracing, and washing hands are the way to get out of this without decimating the economy, that is, without lockdowns.

And, in fact, you can probably add masks to the list of reasons (e.g. Remdesivir, Dexamethasone, better treatment practices, paying more attention to the old folks homes) why the infection fatality rate is declining. Or, in other words, why in some places the number of cases is increasing, while the number of deaths is declining, as described by Ron Paul:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...he-coronavirus

Wrong, wearing a mask is like trying to keep a mosquito out with a chain link fence. Newest science is telling us that the virus is only airborne through coughing not breathing and not even sneezing. It’s more likely through forced coughing. Washing your hands and distancing is the most effective. Masks maybe popular but they are a joke.

[UHB]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

should you say you lost both

[Munchmasterman]

Sneezing blows droplets a lot farther than coughing. While the virus is very small (.1 micron), it attaches to water droplets (.7 micron) or aerosols you exhale. So yeah, wearing a mask doesn't keep you from inhaling it as much as trapping it when you exhale.

From the CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/etiquette/coughing_sneezing.html

Coughing and Sneezing

Covering coughs and sneezes and keeping hands clean can help prevent the spread of serious respiratory illnesses like influenza, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), whooping cough, and COVID-19. Germs can be easily spread by:

Coughing, sneezing, or talking
Touching your face with unwashed hands after touching contaminated surfaces or objects
Touching surfaces or objects that may be frequently touched by other people
Covering coughs and sneezes and washing hands are especially important for infection control measures in healthcare settings, such as emergency departments, doctor’s offices, and clinics.

To help stop the spread of germs:

Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when you cough or sneeze
Throw used tissues in the trash
If you don’t have a tissue, cough or sneeze into your elbow, not your hands
Remember to immediately wash your hands after blowing your nose, coughing or sneezing.

Washing your hands is one of the most effective ways to prevent yourself and your loved ones from getting sick, especially at key times when you are likely to get and spread germs.

Wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds
If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol to clean hands.

And.

The growing scientific evidence for masks to fight Covid-19, explained
It’s true the evidence for masks was weak before. That’s changed.

Over the past couple of months, the world has received more evidence that face masks really can play a crucial role in the fight against theCovid-19 pandemic.
It’s a significant shift from earlier this year, when the evidence for mask-wearing was so weak that government authorities and public health expertspublicly cast doubtson face coverings as a preventive measure against the coronavirus. Worried about the low supply of masks for health care workers, Surgeon General Jerome Adams, among others,saidthe public should “STOP BUYING MASKS!”
That changed when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finallyrecommendedin April that the general public use masks, particularly in places where social distancing is hard to achieve. Government officials and expertsciteda “precautionary principle,” arguing that an unproven benefit was worth it since the potential harms and costs of mask-wearing are so low.
Since then, scientists have done much more research on whether masks work, with new studies coming out over the past few months.
The research increasingly favors both individual mask-wearing and policies requiring universal masking. It suggests that masks not only help stop the spread of the coronavirus — by preventing the spread of virus-containing droplets that people spit out when they talk, sing, laugh, cough, sneeze, and so on — but that policies requiring masks work to significantly slow community transmission.
“The evidence on masks is getting better and better,” Ashish Jha, faculty director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told me. “None of it is bomb-proof evidence. It’s not a large randomized trial. But given that that’s unlikely to come … we’re now at a point where it’s really, very good evidence.”
The research doesn’t mean that masks allow for reckless behavior: Other precautions, from hand-washing to physical distancing, are still crucial in the fight against Covid-19. But it does show that masks, coupled with other precautions, help.
The growing research for masks also shows how important it is to be adaptable in a fast-moving disease outbreak. There’s stilla lot about the coronavirus we just don’t know, such as whether kids widely transmit the virus and what forms of social distancing are most effective. How well a society does against Covid-19 could come down to how quickly it reacts and adapts to new evidence as we get it.
“This is a landscape that’s rapidly changing,” Jade Pagkas-Bather, an infectious diseases expert and doctor at the University of Chicago, told me. “We didn’t have the knowledge we have today that we had a few months ago. That’s why things are confusing.”
With masks, the evidence still isn’t totally definitive — science can be a very slow-moving process. But it’s increasingly pointing in one direction: During this pandemic, we all should wear a mask whenever we go out in public.
The latest research on masks, summarized
Since the CDC’s recommendation for the public to wear masks, several studies have come out indicating the recommendation was the right choice. Some research has gone further, indicating a mandate — not just a recommendation — for mask-wearing could be effective.
Here’s a list of some of these studies, which deploy a wide range of methodologies across a variety of settings:
Areview of the researchinThe Lancetconcluded that for the general public, “face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones.” The review also backed the use of eye protection, physical distancing, and hand hygiene, among other measures, and cautioned that masks alone do not fully supplant the benefits of these other precautions.
Areview of the researchinInternational Journal of Nursing Studiesfound that “community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic.” It’s unclear, though, how much of this benefit comes from masks protecting the wearer versus protecting those exposed to the wearer.
AstudyinHealth Affairsfound state mandates to wear masks helped reduce the spread of the coronavirus. The researchers concluded that “as many as 230,000–450,000 cases may have been averted due to these mandates by May 22,” though they cautioned that this was merely an approximation and sensitive to methodological changes in how it’s calculated.
Astudyfrom the nonprofit research institute IZA found that Germany’s local and regional mask mandates “reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory” and “the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.”
AstudyinBMJ Global Healthfound the use of masks in households in Beijing was associated with less spread of Covid-19. Specifically, households in which people used masks before the first person to get infected showed symptoms were “79% effective in reducing transmission.”
Astudyfrom the CDC found that Navy service members on the USS Theodore Roosevelt, which experienced a large Covid-19 outbreak, were less likely to get infected if they reported using a mask. “Use of face coverings and other preventive measures could mitigate transmission,” the researchers concluded.
This list is not comprehensive. Many, many more studies — not just on masks, but on Covid-19 in general — are coming out on a weekly basis. The cited studies simply help give an idea of where the research is headed.
Overall, the studies indicate that masks reduce the transmission of the coronavirus and other respiratory diseases by the general public. They work in community settings, but appear to work in household settings, too. Cloth masks are effective for the general public, although surgical masks and respirators are likely better — but more research is needed on this front.
The research compounds some of the recent anecdotal evidence we’ve seen, too. The Black Lives Matter protests, where mask-wearing by protesters was widespread,didn’t seem to cause a significant spike in infections. In several Asian countries where mask use has long been widespread, likeSouth KoreaandJapan, masksseemed to play a rolein reducing transmission as well.
“It’s definitely hard to miss that relationship — that the countries with widespread mask-wearing seem to have it better under control,” Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech who studies airborne particles, told me. She added that she “wouldn’t be surprised” if masks turn out to be even more effective than some of the evidence already suggests.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...earch-evidence

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Wrong, wearing a mask is like trying to keep a mosquito out with a chain link fence. Newest science is telling us that the virus is only airborne through coughing not breathing and not even sneezing. It’s more likely through forced coughing. Washing your hands and distancing is the most effective. Masks maybe popular but they are a joke.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Sneezing blows droplets a lot farther than coughing. While the virus is very small (.1 micron), it attaches to water droplets (.7 micron) or aerosols you exhale. So yeah, wearing a mask doesn't keep you from inhaling it as much as trapping it when you exhale.

From the CDC

https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/etiquette/coughing_sneezing.html

Coughing and Sneezing

Covering coughs and sneezes and keeping hands clean can help prevent the spread of serious respiratory illnesses like influenza, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), whooping cough, and COVID-19. Germs can be easily spread by:

Coughing, sneezing, or talking
Touching your face with unwashed hands after touching contaminated surfaces or objects
Touching surfaces or objects that may be frequently touched by other people
Covering coughs and sneezes and washing hands are especially important for infection control measures in healthcare settings, such as emergency departments, doctor’s offices, and clinics.

To help stop the spread of germs:

Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when you cough or sneeze
Throw used tissues in the trash
If you don’t have a tissue, cough or sneeze into your elbow, not your hands
Remember to immediately wash your hands after blowing your nose, coughing or sneezing.

Washing your hands is one of the most effective ways to prevent yourself and your loved ones from getting sick, especially at key times when you are likely to get and spread germs.

Wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds
If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol to clean hands.

And.

The growing scientific evidence for masks to fight Covid-19, explained
It’s true the evidence for masks was weak before. That’s changed.

Over the past couple of months, the world has received more evidence that face masks really can play a crucial role in the fight against theCovid-19 pandemic.
It’s a significant shift from earlier this year, when the evidence for mask-wearing was so weak that government authorities and public health expertspublicly cast doubtson face coverings as a preventive measure against the coronavirus. Worried about the low supply of masks for health care workers, Surgeon General Jerome Adams, among others,saidthe public should “STOP BUYING MASKS!”
That changed when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finallyrecommendedin April that the general public use masks, particularly in places where social distancing is hard to achieve. Government officials and expertsciteda “precautionary principle,” arguing that an unproven benefit was worth it since the potential harms and costs of mask-wearing are so low.
Since then, scientists have done much more research on whether masks work, with new studies coming out over the past few months.
The research increasingly favors both individual mask-wearing and policies requiring universal masking. It suggests that masks not only help stop the spread of the coronavirus — by preventing the spread of virus-containing droplets that people spit out when they talk, sing, laugh, cough, sneeze, and so on — but that policies requiring masks work to significantly slow community transmission.
“The evidence on masks is getting better and better,” Ashish Jha, faculty director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told me. “None of it is bomb-proof evidence. It’s not a large randomized trial. But given that that’s unlikely to come … we’re now at a point where it’s really, very good evidence.”
The research doesn’t mean that masks allow for reckless behavior: Other precautions, from hand-washing to physical distancing, are still crucial in the fight against Covid-19. But it does show that masks, coupled with other precautions, help.
The growing research for masks also shows how important it is to be adaptable in a fast-moving disease outbreak. There’s stilla lot about the coronavirus we just don’t know, such as whether kids widely transmit the virus and what forms of social distancing are most effective. How well a society does against Covid-19 could come down to how quickly it reacts and adapts to new evidence as we get it.
“This is a landscape that’s rapidly changing,” Jade Pagkas-Bather, an infectious diseases expert and doctor at the University of Chicago, told me. “We didn’t have the knowledge we have today that we had a few months ago. That’s why things are confusing.”
With masks, the evidence still isn’t totally definitive — science can be a very slow-moving process. But it’s increasingly pointing in one direction: During this pandemic, we all should wear a mask whenever we go out in public.
The latest research on masks, summarized
Since the CDC’s recommendation for the public to wear masks, several studies have come out indicating the recommendation was the right choice. Some research has gone further, indicating a mandate — not just a recommendation — for mask-wearing could be effective.
Here’s a list of some of these studies, which deploy a wide range of methodologies across a variety of settings:
Areview of the researchinThe Lancetconcluded that for the general public, “face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones.” The review also backed the use of eye protection, physical distancing, and hand hygiene, among other measures, and cautioned that masks alone do not fully supplant the benefits of these other precautions.
Areview of the researchinInternational Journal of Nursing Studiesfound that “community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic.” It’s unclear, though, how much of this benefit comes from masks protecting the wearer versus protecting those exposed to the wearer.
AstudyinHealth Affairsfound state mandates to wear masks helped reduce the spread of the coronavirus. The researchers concluded that “as many as 230,000–450,000 cases may have been averted due to these mandates by May 22,” though they cautioned that this was merely an approximation and sensitive to methodological changes in how it’s calculated.
Astudyfrom the nonprofit research institute IZA found that Germany’s local and regional mask mandates “reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory” and “the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.”
AstudyinBMJ Global Healthfound the use of masks in households in Beijing was associated with less spread of Covid-19. Specifically, households in which people used masks before the first person to get infected showed symptoms were “79% effective in reducing transmission.”
Astudyfrom the CDC found that Navy service members on the USS Theodore Roosevelt, which experienced a large Covid-19 outbreak, were less likely to get infected if they reported using a mask. “Use of face coverings and other preventive measures could mitigate transmission,” the researchers concluded.
This list is not comprehensive. Many, many more studies — not just on masks, but on Covid-19 in general — are coming out on a weekly basis. The cited studies simply help give an idea of where the research is headed.
Overall, the studies indicate that masks reduce the transmission of the coronavirus and other respiratory diseases by the general public. They work in community settings, but appear to work in household settings, too. Cloth masks are effective for the general public, although surgical masks and respirators are likely better — but more research is needed on this front.
The research compounds some of the recent anecdotal evidence we’ve seen, too. The Black Lives Matter protests, where mask-wearing by protesters was widespread,didn’t seem to cause a significant spike in infections. In several Asian countries where mask use has long been widespread, likeSouth KoreaandJapan, masksseemed to play a rolein reducing transmission as well.
“It’s definitely hard to miss that relationship — that the countries with widespread mask-wearing seem to have it better under control,” Linsey Marr, an environmental engineer at Virginia Tech who studies airborne particles, told me. She added that she “wouldn’t be surprised” if masks turn out to be even more effective than some of the evidence already suggests.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...earch-evidence

Yeah, unfortunately Dalai Lama is wildly misinformed.

[dilbert firestorm]

wearing a mask reduces the odds of getting sick. its highly dependent on the type of mask you're wearing. if you do get sick, the virus is likely to be mild instead of virulent.

this is just a guess.
no mask = 80 - 100% infection.
mask = 40 - 80% infection

[bambino]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

wearing a mask reduces the odds of getting sick. its highly dependent on the type of mask you're wearing. if you do get sick, the virus is likely to be mild instead of virulent.

this is just a guess.
no mask = 80 - 100% infection.
mask = 40 - 80% infection

You need an N95 mask. All the homemade ones are useless. Even the standard surgical masks, which I’ve worn for 35yrs won’t protect anyone.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by bambino

You need an N95 mask. All the homemade ones are useless. Even the standard surgical masks, which I’ve worn for 35yrs won’t protect anyone.

Except possibly for N95 masks, they do provide more protection to others than to the person wearing the mask. But it's not fair to say they're useless to the wearer. There was a metastudy or study of studies looking at health care workers treating Covid 19 patients early on, before people knew how dangerous it was, so that not everyone was wearing masks. It showed that surgical type masks do provide protection to the person wearing the mask. I linked a couple of days ago to a study where an infected hamster and a "naive" or uninfected hamster were separated in side-by-side cages with a partition created out of surgical mask. Only 17% of the naive hamsters were infected with Covid 19 with partition present, compared to 66% when the surgical mask partition wasn't present between the cages. Finally Slovakia and the Czech Republic required universal masking back around the end of March, and most people there had to make their masks out of things like T-shirts. Slovakia has pulled through this better than just about anyplace in Europe. The Czech Republic has done well.

And Dilbert is right. As strange as it may seem, there's evidence, including the hamster study above, that if you wear a mask, you may not have as severe symptoms if infected. The 17% of hamsters infected through the surgical mask partition had weaker symptoms than the 66% infected without any partition.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yeah, unfortunately Dalai Lama is wildly misinformed.

You mean Dalai has read the preponderance amount of studies and reviewed the design criteria of masks and read the labels on the packaging of the masks that says they do not stop the spread or a virus or disease. Is that what you mean by miss informed? Guessing you are not into the oxygen deprivation or CO2 accumulation properties of masks either. Not to mention collecting and holding of germs directly over the very entry points of the body for the disease, except of course for the eyes, which are also a vector.

No, I would say he is well informed and that clutching at some random study that uses words like 'May" and 'Might" are testaments to your gullibility.