Typical

[Munchmasterman]

Why do "conservatives" put protesters in the "looting,shooting, arson, etc" group? Other than an attempt to put a negative connotation to the right guaranteed by the
Constitution?
I know trump told you to but can't y'all think for yourselves? The vast majority of protesters are peaceful.
Of course you won't admit that.

Y'all still claim antifa are still major players, based on trump and barr's unsubstantiated BS.

From Wapo on June 15


"President Trump is blaming the far-left network known as antifa for the looting and rioting that has arisen during anti-police-brutality protests in cities across the nation. Trump said he’ll label the movement a terrorist organization, though he legally cannot do that, and Attorney General William P. Barr said there is evidence antifa and other similar extremist groups are instigating violence.

Experts who have studied antifa say there is no evidence that the fringe, amorphous group is driving nationwide protests, and Trump hasn’t cited anything specific as he accused them of doing so. Some experts worry Trump is conflating antifa with peaceful protesters in a dangerous way for democracy.

But even as the protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful in recent days, Trump and Barr have made a concerted effort to implicate antifa involvement in them. Trump tweeted a baseless conspiracy theory that a 75-year-old man who was shoved and injured by police in Buffalo was actually faking part of his fall becuse he’s antifa, the reason being the man was holding a phone as he approached police.

When asked on Fox News why no arrest records so far talk about antifa, Barr said the Justice Department is investigating “certain individuals” and their connections to antifa.

Let’s get a better understanding of who they are and why Trump can’t label them as terrorists.

What is antifa and what does it stand for?
Antifa is short for antifascists. It’s pronounced “an-TEE-fuh.”

Think of them as radical anti-racists who want to take matters into their own hands to try to stop white supremacy, said Mark Bray, a historian at Rutgers University and author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook.” The difference between them and a normal opponent of these things is that antifascists don’t trust government or police to efficiently bat down white supremacy and fascism. There’s a suspicion among antifa that police and a capitalist society are actually supportive of these ideals. So from there stems the notion of taking matters into their own hands, which lends an air of militancy to their mission.


There are varying levels of acceptance of violence within the ranks of its supporters.

“Within antifa, there are a large number of folks who, while tolerating violence as a weapon, many of them believe it should be a weapon of last resort,” said Brian Levin with the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. “But a ragged and cacophonous core believe that violence should be the first thing used.”

Antifa tend to lump the far right, which contains groups focused on white supremacy and fascism, into one threat, said Seth Jones, a counterterrorism expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

What are the origins of antifa?
They have roots going back a century in Europe, fighting against the rise of fascist leaders there, and they really gained steam during World War II, conducting guerrilla-like campaigns against the regimes of Adolf Hitler in Germany or Benito Mussolini in Italy.


Bray said the modern-day antifa in the United States is inspired by movements in the United Kingdom and Germany in the ’70s and ’80s to battle the far right, in which participants took it upon themselves to police skinheads at soccer matches, for example.

What does antifa look like in America today?
White-nationalist demonstrators clash with counterprotesters at the entrance to Lee Park in Charlottesville in August 2017. (Steve Helber/AP)
White-nationalist demonstrators clash with counterprotesters at the entrance to Lee Park in Charlottesville in August 2017. (Steve Helber/AP)
Experts say the most common misconception is that the participants are a coherent group. Their numbers are small — though experts say the count is hard to pin down — and their organization is decentralized. In most U.S. cities, they are too small to have a visible presence. When making their most concerted effort to gather from across the nation, they’ve only reached a couple hundred. They spend most of their time not fighting or protesting, but rather tracking what neo-Nazis in their communities are doing and outing them to employees and neighbors.


“Most of what they do is really painstaking and boring and really awful, monitoring these neo-Nazi message boards,” Bray said, writing in his book that they sometimes plan to infiltrate neo-Nazi groups and bring them down from the inside. “One of the interview subjects of my book likened it to being a private investigator.”

On Fox News, Barr described antifa this way: “They have sort of a unique or unusual system of communication and organization. There are people who can be characterized as leaders in any given situation.”

But that’s not experts’ understanding of the group.

Bray said antifa, where the movement exists in the United States, tends to be well-organized internally, communicating frequently with each other online about how they will out neo-Nazis. If they travel to oppose a white-supremacist gathering, they’ll often just post it on social media, since the network has not seen a need to operate underground. They don’t have a chain of command. The two hot spots in the United States are in Northern California, like Berkeley and Oakland, and Oregon.


Antifa made headlines in 2017 when white-supremacist groups marched against the removal of a Confederate statute in Charlottesville. Antifa participants traveled to the Virginia city as well.

People associated with the antifa movement threw punches and engaged in violence in Charlottesville, said Gary LaFree, a terrorism expert at the University of Maryland and founder of the Global Terrorism Database. But he found no evidence antifa traveled there specifically to commit violence, which is more of a marker of terrorism: “We could find no evidence that anybody who claimed association with antifa went there to plant a bomb or kill someone,” he said. “They went there to react to a particular situation.”

Hate crime experts say far more were killed by white supremacists last year than any other domestic organization. And LaFree’s database shows across the world, including in the United States, left-wing terrorist organizations are noticeably less violent than right-wing ones.


But antifa has started to gain the attention of Republican lawmakers. Last year, Sens. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and Bill Cassidy (La.) pushed a resolution urging the federal government to label antifa as domestic terrorists, but it didn’t go anywhere.

Are antifa playing a role in the protests?
It doesn’t seem like they are, at least not in any great numbers. Several weeks into protests, the mayor of Berekley, which is one of the hotspots for antifa, told The Washington Post that he hasn’t seen any evidence of them at these protests, a sign he interprets to mean that the protests are about something bigger than the left-wing group.

It’s difficult to impossible to track who is protesting across the nation and what motivates them. In the initial days of protests, state, local and the federal governments have given conflicting analysis of what outside groups, if any, are joining peaceful protesters and then lighting fires, breaking windows and looting after dark. Minnesota officials have said they think it’s white supremacists. Trump and Barr have cited antifa, though in a news conference at the the Department of Justice, Barr and FBI Director Christopher Wray were broader. Wray described some instigators as “motivated by an Antifa or Antifa-like ideology.”



(The Washington Post)
An Associated Press investigation of more than 200 arrest records in Minneapolis and Washington, D.C., found that the vast majority of arrests came from people in the community, rather than outside agitators, and only a handful had posted on social media about radical activism. Those sentiments came from the right and left of the political spectrum, rather than being totally focusedd on the left as Trump has claimed.

Experts say antifa is just too small of a presence in each state to be leading protests in any state and too disorganized to conduct nationwide protests, Bray said.

Jones, the domestic terrorism expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said he’s heard from individuals on the ground at some of these protests that there are antifa as well as white supremacists. He just doesn’t know how many.


White instigators to blame for mayhem in some protests, local officials say

In some protests, local officials say young white men are instigators of looting and violence. Bray said antifa is made up of different genders and races. They can be teachers and nurses, he said, “but some of them are also punks with facial piercings.”

Meanwhile, rumors of antifa and other violent protests are rampant online. The Post’s Tony Romm and Isaac Stanley-Becker reported that in one Idaho town, a crowd assembled to fend off a reported incursion that turned out to be based on false on social media posts.

Can Trump label antifa as a terrorist organization?

No, for two reasons.

1. No groups based in the United States can legally be labeled as a terrorist group, including neo-Nazi or white-supremacy groups. The law only allows international organizations to receive that label. Jones thinks there is a discussion to be had about domestic terrorism and whether it deserves such a legal label. Domestic terrorism is on the rise, and he fears the nation is likely to see an increase in attacks this year by domestic groups. He and other experts just don’t think that label applies to antifa, because …

2. They’re not a group, anymore than say, Red Sox Nation is, said Levin. LaFree likens antifa more to a movement, like anti-gun or antiabortion. Traditional terrorist organizations plan acts of violence; there is very little evidence antifa does.

Levin said there are certainly dangerous elements on the far left. But he sees more danger in talking about antifa in a way that lumps in other protesters and movements, like Black Lives Matter, with their radical approach. That could make it easier for the government to monitor these peaceful groups and for Americans to be suspicious of them.

“And that’s a dangerous thing when we’re talking about the use of law enforcement and government,” Levin said. “We have to be very careful not to take peaceful supporters of police reform and lump them in with people who want to blow things up and tear society down.”

[nevergaveitathought]

how about because there are looters, shooters and arsonists and destroyers


ever think of that?

[Munchmasterman]

I asked why you group the criminals with the legal protestors.
And got the non-answer I expected.
A typical deflection.

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

how about because there are looters, shooters and arsonists and destroyers


ever think of that?

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

how about because there are looters, shooters and arsonists and destroyers


ever think of that?

He cannot speak for himself very well due to a speech impediment.

Therefore, he lets others do the talking for him.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

I asked why you group the criminals with the legal protestors.
And got the non-answer I expected.
A typical deflection.

Who gives a fuck what you ask?

[nevergaveitathought]

his response is a muddled mess of nonsense

he think he has a knowledge of what people think

[Munchmasterman]

Poor little bitch.
A typical response from a typical trumpy.

Fine, you can't offer up any kind of intelligent answer.
I can accept that.

So get on topic or STFU.

Hijack someone else's thread.

Originally Posted by friendly fred

Who gives a fuck what you ask?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Poor little bitch.
A typical response from a typical trumpy.

Fine, you can't offer up any kind of intelligent answer.
I can accept that.

So get on topic or STFU.

Hijack someone else's thread.

Straight to name calling and labeling! True lib rit thar!

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Poor little bitch.
A typical response from a typical trumpy.

Fine, you can't offer up any kind of intelligent answer.
I can accept that.

So get on topic or STFU.

Hijack someone else's thread.

What topic? Another WAPO regurgitation piece from nearly 10 days ago.

With the protests come violence, which is sad and not all protestors are being casually "grouped", but the violence, looting, and rioting is very apparent and the markers of antifa are all over it whether arrest records show that or not. The visuals are there.

Couple that with Seattle where some of those fomenting the insurrection are admitted Antifa and you see the optics of it all.

Simply more denial and deflection from the WAPO from the bad actors involved in these "supposed" peaceful protests.

The only thing typical here is the libs hanging their entire dialog on what comes out of the WAPO bullshit.

[winn dixie]

I would recommend munchie stay away from the home made hooch!

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

I asked why you group the criminals with the legal protestors.
And got the non-answer I expected.
A typical deflection.

Welp.. there is the preponderance of video evidence of vandals, looters, shooters, rioters and arsonists. So there is that. Maybe you should consider why are the Socialist Democrats of America (DSA) using BLM? That could be a thing. Are they setting them up to take the fall, i.e. be easy targets? Are they using them to achieve their Marxist objectives because they don't think they are bright enough to notice? Are they trying to deflect from Demonicrat oppression of BLM for decades by trying to rewrite history? Why aren't they all at work somewhere when the unemployment rate was at historical lows? Better questions yields better answers.

[Next Best Thing]

Under normal circumstances checkmating moronic democrats into defending a domestic terrorist organization like Antifa would be the finishing touches on a thorough dismantling of the left wing agenda, but in the current climate they're just doing it because they're dipping their toe into the water to determine how far they can ultimately go.

If they can get Trump, the moron, to backpedal on Kaepernick, why not try it with Antifa?

I guess the law and order President doesn't want to get impeached again by the inept House of Representatives because it gives the media another shot at the Trump-as-autocrat narrative. So fuck the safety and security of your base constituency, because no matter how much ground he gives the MAGA crowd is money in the bank on election day.

The leftists do this shit because Trump is a big-mouthed do-nothing and to make matters worse has tepid support from the rest of the republican party cowards.

But Trump will get them good by tweeting his ass off about things that impact him emotionally, because everything is always ultimately about him.

[yitzchak]

I hardly read any of this, but it was really easy to demonize the protesters, way before
T R U M P
said anything about it.

I was actually pissed at T R U M P for his handling of the corona virus, but after I saw him make a stand against the "protesters," I fell back in love with the man.

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by yitzchak

I hardly read any of this, but it was really easy to demonize the protesters, way before
T R U M P
said anything about it.

I was actually pissed at T R U M P for his handling of the corona virus, but after I saw him make a stand against the "protesters," I fell back in love with the man.

Describe the stand that he made.

[Budman]

I don't know anyone that says all protesters are looters and rioters. I do believe that BLM and Antifa have people inside their organization that are there to cause trouble and stir up the crowd into a frenzy. Some protesters start out with the idea of peaceful protest but get caught up in the frenzy and become a looter / rioter.


My question for you is why do all protesters and those on the left believe all police are just like the SOB in Minnesota that killed Floyd? Before you start throwing stones at the right you better take a hard look at what these fuckers on the left are saying.