A question on World War II

[Unique_Carpenter]

You guys can amuse yourselves for a while discussing reality of that.
For those of us who lost family (three for my family the 1st 2 weeks of June 44), the reality is still neverendingly painful, even for my generation that were born way after the beaches were taken.

[kehaar]

I do think it is worthwhile to educate the the un-exposed to the horror of WWII. From my perspective, the lack of perspective of the current high school graduates is what will hinder the continued prosperity that this country has provided to its citizens.

My father was in the Pacific in 2 of the 3 most horrific battles of that theater. If he was still alive, he would be apopolectic at the ignorance of the past.

Frankly, the past must be discussed in order to avoid its recurrence. Without that discussion, the sacrifices made in that era are for naught. The continued pain to the living must be inflicted if it is not to be so. I am sorry about that fact.

[themystic]

Maybe we should have todays military men study the history of WWII. Especially the part about winning and being patriotic

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Hotrod511

Thank's IB I have spent more time studying what we did in the Pacific than Europe mainly because my father served in the Navy during WWII

I had a great uncle at Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941. He survived the war. He had four brothers who served in various branches after Pearl Harbor. They all survived. I've been reading about and studying WWII since junior high. I've read scores of books about the Pacific Theater. My favorite is Eugene Sledge's memoir, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa."

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

You guys can amuse yourselves for a while discussing reality of that.
For those of us who lost family (three for my family the 1st 2 weeks of June 44), the reality is still neverendingly painful, even for my generation that were born way after the beaches were taken.

I respect the fact that you lost family, but you shouldn't construe our discussing the war as being an insult. From my perspective, we are honoring their service and their memory by remembering both their sacrifice and their achievements. They are, and will always remain, the "Greatest Generation."

[oeb11]

Amen, IBH.

My father and uncle served in Pacific theater in WW@.
Let us not forget - and remembrance is to honor the memory and sacrifices of so many of that generation.

They fought for our freedom - something so many flippantly wish to give away for the false promise of Government take care of me for Life.!
And some who choose to denigrate our active duty soldiers.

They are Winners - it is the DPST politicians who refused to win the wars and interfered with the military missions.

Let those who denigrate our Armed Services go somewhere else and do without the protection - See what happens
.Crimea is a good object lesson, and how Obama caved in to flagrant aggression by Putin.

Facts, however, matter not to adherents of Idiot-ideology.
I hear N Korea outside Pyongyang is a wonderful place. Great for US ex-pats.

Just speak with Otto Warmbier! Great Place for DPST's to go!

[dilbert firestorm]

my late grandmother's 3 brothers served in WWII (2 in the Pacific, 1 in Europe; participated in d-day landings). 2 of them didn't make it home. 1 did but died in the fall 1945 after war ended.

[themystic]

I think our last 2 wars, one of which we are still in was lost by the Nazi faction of the US Government aka Republicans

Yes Otto Warmbier was lucking enough to have Kim Jung Un lover Donald Trump pay for his medical bills. Almost 2 million dollars. No wonder they wrote each other love letters

Trumps performance in Helsinki was a wonderful act of patriotism. I like how Putin was right and 17 of our intelligence agencies were wrong

Good job Nazis. Todays "military men" wouldn't make a pimple on the great generations ass

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by kehaar

...There weren't actually that many catastrophes on the US side worthy of such things.

Whose version have you been studying?

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/st...aths-world-war

Here is a "telling" remark on that website:

*Worldwide casualty estimates vary widely in several sources. The number of civilian deaths in China alone might well be more than 50,000,000.

The remark about China has to do with the Japanese occupation of China, during which their "Medical Experiment Camps" made the Germans look like Mary Poppins.

This man might have questioned your assessment:


He saved a lot of lives driving a landing craft. Although my Dad was unaware of those deeds he was there, made the initial landing, and was one of relative few in the initial wave who made it to the beach and survived the following fight in which over 1,000 Marines were killed and several 1,000 wounded in 3 days. My dad didn't discuss his six years in the USMC much (his "wounds" were apparent all his life until his death in a VA hospital), but he had some friends who did .... with silver chests of medals for their contribution to this country.

By comparison ... with respect to the 3 days of Desert Storm:

U.S. casualties

Army: 98 battle;
Navy: six battle;
Marines: 24 battle;
Air Force: 20 battle;
Resulting in 148 U.S. battle deaths, ....

Wounded in action: 467.

https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2020.html

Of course, I recognize that some of you take an attitude ... of ..... "one here and one there ... no big deal"!

Right Mystic?

[themystic]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Whose version have you been studying?

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/st...aths-world-war

Here is a "telling" remark on that website:



The remark about China has to do with the Japanese occupation of China, during which their "Medical Experiment Camps" made the Germans look like Mary Poppins.

This man might have questioned your assessment:


He saved a lot of lives driving a landing craft. Although my Dad was unaware of those deeds he was there, made the initial landing, and was one of relative few in the initial wave who made it to the beach and survived the following fight in which over 1,000 Marines were killed and several 1,000 wounded in 3 days. My dad didn't discuss his six years in the USMC much (his "wounds" were apparent all his life until his death in a VA hospital), but he had some friends who did .... with silver chests of medals for their contribution to this country.

By comparison ... with respect to the 3 days of Desert Storm:



https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2020.html

Of course, I recognize that some of you take an attitude ... of ..... "one here and one there ... no big deal"!

Right Mystic?

Its hard for me to take any Trump supporter serious when the topic of patriotism comes up, in any thread. Reminiscing on the great generation while supporting a Russian, North Korean and Saudi Arabian loving president smacks with hypocrisy. Carry on Counselor. Your work is done here

[oeb11]

Hypocrisy reigns - SomeOne who loves His Putin and Kim and Xi
Perhaps a move from Where-ever to Pyongyang - to fit the message with the location!
It is clear Kim has first -class medical establishments for the care of US ex-Pats.

[kehaar]

Originally Posted by themystic

Maybe we should have todays military men study the history of WWII. Especially the part about winning and being patriotic

Are your communications hateful, bigoted, spiteful, and fascist in all aspects of your life, or just here?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by themystic

Its hard for me to take any Trump supporter serious ....

.... that requires too much logic for pea-brain SocialistLiberalAntiTrumpers, but so does protecting our borders. Although I am not a "counselor," I can offer some advice, but that also requires more than a pea-brain.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by kehaar

Are your communications hateful, bigoted, spiteful, and fascist in all aspects of your life, or just here?

It's apparent he has no other "aspect" but HERE!

[kehaar]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Whose version have you been studying?

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/st...aths-world-war

Here is a "telling" remark on that website:



The remark about China has to do with the Japanese occupation of China, during which their "Medical Experiment Camps" made the Germans look like Mary Poppins.

This man might have questioned your assessment:


He saved a lot of lives driving a landing craft. Although my Dad was unaware of those deeds he was there, made the initial landing, and was one of relative few in the initial wave who made it to the beach and survived the following fight in which over 1,000 Marines were killed and several 1,000 wounded in 3 days. My dad didn't discuss his six years in the USMC much (his "wounds" were apparent all his life until his death in a VA hospital), but he had some friends who did .... with silver chests of medals for their contribution to this country.

By comparison ... with respect to the 3 days of Desert Storm:



https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2020.html

Of course, I recognize that some of you take an attitude ... of ..... "one here and one there ... no big deal"!

Right Mystic?

I don't understand what you are saying about my comment.

Governments hide the truth from its own people for propoganda purposes.

The military delays truth to

1) enable informing next of kin,
2) To prevent that information from being useful to the enemy.

I've read many newspaper and magazines from that era. The US version of things was actually quite blunt about it, and didn't hide much. The op asked about the delays attributed to reason (1) above.

Thankfully, when compared to Russia, Germany, and Japan, the US had relatively few mass casualty experiences(catastrophes) in WWII. Perhaps you have another opinion about that.

WWII was horrific for all. It was far more horrific for the Japanese, Germans, Russians, and Chinese that it was for the US.

Let us all agree that we ought to avoid such stupidity as WWII.

[oeb11]

K- Agree with your comment above. Entirely accurate.

Unfortunately, there are those on forum who choose to stir the pot with deliberately insulting posts- specifically regarding our Servicemen and Women.

Some who have no respect for the sacrifices made so We can live in a free country.

Those with that view really should go live as a peasant under Kim, Maduro, or Xi and find the truth of their beloved Socialism.
Those who knoweth not history are condemned to repeat history!!