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Old 04-07-2019, 10:45 AM   #16
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What baffles many Americans, and I mean MANY Americans, is that some people don't seem concerned about the propensity of this president to dramatically stretch the truth or to invent his own truth to suit his own wishes. The number of and depth of mis-statements or flat-out falsehoods that our president regularly pronounces in his overconfident fashion are astonishing. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat or following some other political system, this is worrisome. This has nothing to do with re-elections or political loyalties or whatever other reason you might cook up to dismiss what many Americans have noticed and are noticing about our president.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:59 AM   #17
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You mean Trump's father was not born in Germany as he has repeatedly stated in recent weeks?
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:20 AM   #18
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What baffles many Americans, and I mean MANY Americans, is that some people don't seem concerned about the propensity of this president to dramatically stretch the truth or to invent his own truth to suit his own wishes. The number of and depth of mis-statements or flat-out falsehoods that our president regularly pronounces in his overconfident fashion are astonishing. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat or following some other political system, this is worrisome. This has nothing to do with re-elections or political loyalties or whatever other reason you might cook up to dismiss what many Americans have noticed and are noticing about our president.
You should be talking. How many lies has hildebeest spawned about the 2016 election? hildebeest has written two books full of lies. And she's sold them to "#Grubered" people like you. And you believed her "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" narrative to the tune of $25 million footed by the American taxpayer. And you probably still do.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:42 PM   #19
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You have never worked for a corporation or have you?
Because I'm going to straight up tell you - they all lie. You just gotta find one that you can live with. Lying is a human trait- we all do it. Sorry if I'm bursting your bubble but I am so sick of people saying how Trump lies. They all lie, But Trump's economy speaks for itself.
So if he lies once in a while. I don't give a damn. Let's remember - he is not the Pope of Rome.



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What baffles many Americans, and I mean MANY Americans, is that some people don't seem concerned about the propensity of this president to dramatically stretch the truth or to invent his own truth to suit his own wishes. The number of and depth of mis-statements or flat-out falsehoods that our president regularly pronounces in his overconfident fashion are astonishing. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat or following some other political system, this is worrisome. This has nothing to do with re-elections or political loyalties or whatever other reason you might cook up to dismiss what many Americans have noticed and are noticing about our president.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:44 PM   #20
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Hank, you don't get it. I could give a shit about Clinton. I'd advise her to disappear. I'm also inclined to believe whatever Mueller reveals, and I hope I can read his report. But the trustworthiness of our president is why I posted. You can try to change the subject all you want, but the fact remains our duly elected president constantly distorts the truth to suit his own purposes. I find this worrisome. I am not alone. That, sir, is the basis for much of the opposition facing President Trump. He can't go a week without a major lie, it seems. Why so many people -and apparently you are in this group- in our nation don't seem bothered by the fact that Donald Trump lies constantly is a mystery to me. Do you not recognize the many lies our president proclaims?
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:59 PM   #21
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Hank, you don't get it. I could give a shit about Clinton. I'd advise her to disappear. I'm also inclined to believe whatever Mueller reveals, and I hope I can read his report. But the trustworthiness of our president is why I posted. You can try to change the subject all you want, but the fact remains our duly elected president constantly distorts the truth to suit his own purposes. I find this worrisome. I am not alone. That, sir, is the basis for much of the opposition facing President Trump. He can't go a week without a major lie, it seems. Why so many people -and apparently you are in this group- in our nation don't seem bothered by the fact that Donald Trump lies constantly is a mystery to me. Do you not recognize the many lies our president proclaims?
You're lying again. You bought into hildebeest's "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" mantra just like every other hildebeest minion. And you can try to deflect from reality all you want, but at the base of your accusations is your fantasy delusion that hildebeest would be better than Trump; thus, showing that you're still upset that hildebeest had her ass kicked in 2016.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:53 PM   #22
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You have never worked for a corporation or have you?
Because I'm going to straight up tell you - they all lie. You just gotta find one that you can live with. Lying is a human trait- we all do it. Sorry if I'm bursting your bubble but I am so sick of people saying how Trump lies. They all lie, But Trump's economy speaks for itself.
So if he lies once in a while. I don't give a damn. Let's remember - he is not the Pope of Rome.

We don't ALL lie. Yes, most everyone does lie but not to the level Trump does it. That's what makes listening to his off-the-cuff comments that is so much fun. His father was born in Germany. I'm going to close the border. Puerto Rico received $91 million in aid for the hurricane. The FBI said Flynn wasn't lying. There were 200 or 300 people at O'Rourke's El Paso rally. Mexico will pay for the wall. Mexico will pay for the wall via the new USMCA. The noise from Wind Turbines causes cancer.

You just can't make this s**t up.

https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:23 PM   #23
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We don't ALL lie. Yes, most everyone does lie but not to the level Trump does it. That's what makes listening to his off-the-cuff comments that is so much fun. His father was born in Germany. I'm going to close the border. Puerto Rico received $91 million in aid for the hurricane. The FBI said Flynn wasn't lying. There were 200 or 300 people at O'Rourke's El Paso rally. Mexico will pay for the wall. Mexico will pay for the wall via the new USMCA. The noise from Wind Turbines causes cancer.

You just can't make this s**t up.

https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/
Isn't that what a lie is, something you make up. So if you can't make it up maybe it isn't a lie, lol.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:25 PM   #24
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You mean Trump's father was not born in Germany as he has repeatedly stated in recent weeks?

he apparently misspoke, his grandfather was born in Germany, not his father.
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Old 04-07-2019, 07:47 PM   #25
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You're lying again. You bought into hildebeest's "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" mantra just like every other hildebeest minion. And you can try to deflect from reality all you want, but at the base of your accusations is your fantasy delusion that hildebeest would be better than Trump; thus, showing that you're still upset that hildebeest had her ass kicked in 2016.

Lying? Me? A Clinton minion? Re-read what I just wrote. Anyway, I get it Hank, you don't want to answer my original question. It's amazing the weirded out illogical ranting that passes for a response to a question. Oh, by the way, hildebeest actually won the popular vote. so it is completely illogical and wrong to say she got her ass kicked. But you know that already. Isn't it enough for you that your candidate won the election. Why do you have to write illogical bullshit like Trump kicked Clinton's ass? You are as comfortable with self-serving falsehoods as our president, apparently. Adios, sir.
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Old 04-07-2019, 07:55 PM   #26
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Lying? Me? A Clinton minion? Re-read what I just wrote. Anyway, I get it Hank, you don't want to answer my original question. It's amazing the weirded out illogical ranting that passes for a response to a question. Oh, by the way, hildebeest actually won the popular vote. so it is completely illogical and wrong to say she got her ass kicked. But you know that already. Isn't it enough for you that your candidate won the election. Why do you have to write illogical bullshit like Trump kicked Clinton's ass? You are as comfortable with self-serving falsehoods as our president, apparently. Adios, sir.
I'm comfortable every day of the week knowing that Trump is president and that the lying, cheating scum bag called hildebeest isn't and never will be. hildebeest is still lying about what she did, and I thank God every day that Trump beat her miscreant ass fair and square in accordance with U.S. laws and institutions. Trump's falsehoods will never rise to the level of hildebeest's falsehoods -- hildebeest and Odumbo have yet to admit and tell the truth about what happened in Benghazi.
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We don't ALL lie. Yes, most everyone does lie but not to the level Trump does it. That's what makes listening to his off-the-cuff comments that is so much fun. His father was born in Germany. I'm going to close the border. Puerto Rico received $91 million in aid for the hurricane. The FBI said Flynn wasn't lying. There were 200 or 300 people at O'Rourke's El Paso rally. Mexico will pay for the wall. Mexico will pay for the wall via the new USMCA. The noise from Wind Turbines causes cancer.

You just can't make this s**t up.

https://www.politifact.com/personali...yruling/false/
Every time speedy posts a so-called fact-checker link, he embarrasses himself. Check out the latest one.

Half of the so-called trumpy "lies" are petty as hell or grounded in truth. Politifact knows this. So they justify calling a statement "false" because trumpy used "poor word choice". Or because he slightly exaggerated or supposedly mischaracterized what someone else said. And notice how Politifact is too lazy to do their homework. They will now call something a "lie" because it is "unclear where the numbers came from"! If you think someone's numbers are wrong, you're supposed to do some research and dig up the real numbers! Otherwise you haven't proven squat.

Politifact is an embarrassment to so-called fact-checkers. Fact-checkers are an embarrassment to so-called journalism. And journalism, as practiced by the MSM today, is an embarrassment to every thinking American.
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What baffles many Americans, and I mean MANY Americans, is that some people don't seem concerned about the propensity of this president to dramatically stretch the truth or to invent his own truth to suit his own wishes. The number of and depth of mis-statements or flat-out falsehoods that our president regularly pronounces in his overconfident fashion are astonishing. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat or following some other political system, this is worrisome. This has nothing to do with re-elections or political loyalties or whatever other reason you might cook up to dismiss what many Americans have noticed and are noticing about our president.
You don't get it. Before most Americans even have a chance to digest whatever it is trumpy may have said, truth or lie, we start laughing at the hysterical over-reactions of the far left and their media lackeys! Then the truth or falsity of whatever trumpy said becomes secondary to our enjoyment of the clown show put on by all the left-wing crazies!

They never fail to take the bait!

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he apparently misspoke, his grandfather was born in Germany, not his father.
Did he misspeak 4 times?

"President Donald Trump on Tuesday falsely stated his father was born in Germany – the fourth time the president has made such a claim in less than a year."

One of his statements:

"I mean, Germany, honestly, is not paying their fair share. I have great respect for Angela and I have great respect for their country," the president said of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. "My father is German. Right? Was German. And born in a very wonderful place in Germany, and so I have a great feeling for Germany."

Has Trump clarified his mis-statement?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ny/3346343002/
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Every time speedy posts a so-called fact-checker link, he embarrasses himself. Check out the latest one.

Half of the so-called trumpy "lies" are petty as hell or grounded in truth. Politifact knows this. So they justify calling a statement "false" because trumpy used "poor word choice". Or because he slightly exaggerated or supposedly mischaracterized what someone else said. And notice how Politifact is too lazy to do their homework. They will now call something a "lie" because it is "unclear where the numbers came from"! If you think someone's numbers are wrong, you're supposed to do some research and dig up the real numbers! Otherwise you haven't proven squat.

Politifact is an embarrassment to so-called fact-checkers. Fact-checkers are an embarrassment to so-called journalism. And journalism, as practiced by the MSM today, is an embarrassment to every thinking American.
Do you deny that Trump made the alleged statements? Tell me which ones are not truthful. Yes, some are petty. But they point to an underlying character flaw in the man. No other POTUS has EVER made such inaccurate statements so routinely as Trump has, whether you call them lies or not.

I could use other sources than Politifact to support the allegations of mis-statements made by Trump. But you would just call them "an embarrassment to every thinking American" too.
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