Mueller recommends no jail time for flynn. flynn must have spilled his guts.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

This is the third time we've covered this. They bring up the same stuff. ib will continue to tell us why the courts etc are all wrong and he is right. The best legal minds that will take trump's money haven't thought of what ib claims.

And on it goes.

The FISA warrants haven't been challenged in court as yet, but Comey admitted Friday -- under oath -- that those warrants were fraudulently obtained: 1) the information put before the FISA judge was not verified as true and factual, 2) circular reporting was illegally used to secure the warrants, and 3) the judges were not informed as to the partisan origin of the Steele dossier. Mueller's indictments are all dependent on "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree."

[Munchmasterman]

Yes. I read a lot.

And you lie a lot.

Here is what the article says.

"It is believed that this surveillance contributed to the evidence that compelled Flynn to enter a plea for making misleading statements to federal investigators."
Not what you say.

"info gathered by the FBI using the illegal FISA warrants allowing the FBI to spy on American citizens was used to coerce Flynn into a plea bargain."

Interesting you don't quote them. Instead, you paraphrase what they said to back up what you say.

Typical ib.

It may be believed (by trumpys and their ilk) but it's not proven.

The election is over. The record shows you're wrong.

Again.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Read much?

The article cited says info gathered by the FBI using the illegal FISA warrants allowing the FBI to spy on American citizens was used to coerce Flynn into a plea bargain.

One thing I'm certain of is that I know more factual details than anyone harboring lib-retarded, anti-Trump views.

[Munchmasterman]

It's okay. This isn't the first thing you've misunderstood.
You're compromised by your bias.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The FISA warrants haven't been challenged in court as yet, but Comey admitted Friday -- under oath -- that those warrants were fraudulently obtained: 1) the information put before the FISA judge was not verified as true and factual, 2) circular reporting was illegally used to secure the warrants, and 3) the judges were not informed as to the partisan origin of the Steele dossier. Mueller's indictments are all dependent on "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree."

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

It's okay. This isn't the first thing you've misunderstood.
You're compromised by your bias.

There's no misunderstanding what Gowdy, Graham and Dershowitz are saying. They're legal experts who are better informed and more intelligent than Wretching Maddcow regarding Mueller's crippling dependence on the "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree".

[Munchmasterman]

None of the people mentioned can change something already in the books.
Get back with me when it changes.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

There's no misunderstanding what Gowdy, Graham and Dershowitz are saying. They're legal experts who are better informed and more intelligent than Wretching Maddcow regarding Mueller's crippling dependence on the "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree".

I think Dershowitz has a good handle on this situation, and you are right IB.

The abuse of FISA warrants is sad, and Mueller is bad news for America.

[themystic]

IB Lol. Where did you get this "fruit of the poisonous tree Bullshit"? You have a reputation for promoting Fake News. You don't know your stuff

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

This is the third time we've covered this. They bring up the same stuff. ib will continue to tell us why the courts etc are all wrong and he is right. The best legal minds that will take trump's money haven't thought of what ib claims.

And on it goes.

Lol....IB , LL and to some extent dilbert have been talking about how Flynn was gonna change his plea and all the while Flynn was meeting with Muller 19 times!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

None of the people mentioned can change something already in the books.
Get back with me when it changes.

Any court in the land -- including the Supreme Court -- can change the unconstitutional injustice wrought by Comey's illegal FBI activities. Unlike Wretching Maddcow, those three individuals are more intelligent and better informed regarding Mueller's crippling dependence on the "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree".

Originally Posted by themystic

IB Lol. Where did you get this "fruit of the poisonous tree Bullshit"? You have a reputation for promoting Fake News. You don't know your stuff

Gowdy, Graham and Dershowitz are legal experts who are better informed and more intelligent than your mentor, Wretching Maddcow, regarding Mueller's crippling dependence on the "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree".

Originally Posted by WTF

Lol....IB , LL and to some extent dilbert have been talking about how Flynn was gonna change his plea and all the while Flynn was meeting with Muller 19 times!

When all of the details regarding how Comey's FBI abused the FISA court process are revealed, all Flynn will need to do is make his appeal.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

When all of the details regarding how Comey's FBI abused the FISA court process are revealed, all Flynn will need to do is make his appeal.

Yes and when the facts come out about the moon landing we'll all know it was staged in Hollywood.

Your problem is the bs you have been posting about Flynn has not come to fruition, in fact just the opposite has happened. Instead of admitting you were duped, you're doubling down.

[nevergaveitathought]

the sad thing is

the trump issues, for the main, aren't legal ones, they are political

the secret surveillance and attempts at entrapment by the fbi on the trump campaign was political

the howling about "Russian collusion" was political

the special counsel appointment was all political

even the findings concerning the supposed "campaign finance violations" are political as to where they seem to be headed, for both obama and hellary had more egregious violations and they were handled administratively

this case is not appropriate for a criminal prosecution and should be an administrative matter

the reason is the people who think its criminal due to non reporting would accuse trump as damned if he did and damned if he didn't

in other words, if trump had originally paid these payments out of campaign funds and treated these payments as campaign payments and reported them as such, he would now be accused of making personal payments out of campaign funds

as it is now, they are accusing trump of making non reported campaign contributions for they claim the payments are campaign payments

so which is it, personal or campaign? these people would have it either way

and impeachment is a political act, unconcerned with and unconnected to the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine and the charges give the dims a fig leaf of cover for the impeachment they have screamed about since the day trump was elected

so trump and the nation may face a tough upcoming year

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Yes and when the facts come out about the moon landing we'll all know it was staged in Hollywood.

Your problem is the bs you have been posting about Flynn has not come to fruition, in fact just the opposite has happened. Instead of admitting you were duped, you're doubling down.

I'm not the one wearing blinders here. Every week there's a new revelation exposing how Comey's FBI abused the FISA court. When all of the pieces are exposed, Mueller's indictments will be proved to be fruit of the poisonous tree.

[dilbert firestorm]

its long and slow.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

its long and slow.

It took Judicial Watch four years to get hildebeest's FOIA violations before a judge. Trump's new AG may be able to expedite charges against Comey, McCabe, Strzok, who are all presently subjects of criminal investigations. Mueller's investigation is a house of cards, and its foundation is folding.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Mueller's indictments will be proved to be fruit of the poisonous tree.

Sure it will and soon Lee Harvey will be shown to not be the only shooter...