Olympics........Useful Idiots

[garhkal]

True lexus we were discussing DV claims, but as we KNOW ITS happening, with all sorts of other claims, its easy to see it happening with DV claims as well.. ESPECIALLY when 60 minutes did an expose on it, showing how a # of divorce lawyers, flat out ENCOURAGE their clients (WOMEN) TO MAKE Those claims up to win a lot MORE in the divorce than they otherwise would.. ALL WITH THE KNOWLEDGE most DA's are too PUSSY to prosecute them when they find out that those claims were fake...

https://voicelessnomore.wordpress.co...ally-do-exist/

https://domestic-violence-law.com/false-accusations/

https://mensdivorce.com/divorce-atto...-claims-abuse/

[Munchmasterman]

What happened to the attorneys who admitted to encouraging their clients to lie (make up charges) to the police/DA? When did you see this 60 Minutes?

Your links go to advertisements and a story blog. So without a link, I don't believe your 60 Minutes claim either. You've provided no evidence about the frequency of false charges. Do false claims happen? Of course they do.
You assume people you agree with are innocent and assume people you don't agree with are guilty of their respective crimes
Each case should be considered individually.
In the case of porter, he claims he doesn't know how one of his wives got the black eye revealed in a picture he himself took. The other wife had gotten a restraining order again him. A third girl asked them how to break up with him after he threatened her with violence if she did break up with him.
Is that info enough to convict him?
Only the court of law can decide that.
Is that enough info to suspend him or change his security clearance?
Of course it is. While the charge hangs over him he is susceptible to extortion. Because of the severity of the charges they need to be investigated. If he is innocent then he should fight the allegations. You would think if he told trump he didn't do it, he could step down to prove he didn't commit the offense, then get his job back after he did disprove the charges.
But I guess we won't find out now. He resigned and has disappeared into the bush.
Can you tell me why he still didn't have a permanent security clearence? After over a whole year?

Originally Posted by garhkal

True lexus we were discussing DV claims, but as we KNOW ITS happening, with all sorts of other claims, its easy to see it happening with DV claims as well.. ESPECIALLY when 60 minutes did an expose on it, showing how a # of divorce lawyers, flat out ENCOURAGE their clients (WOMEN) TO MAKE Those claims up to win a lot MORE in the divorce than they otherwise would.. ALL WITH THE KNOWLEDGE most DA's are too PUSSY to prosecute them when they find out that those claims were fake...

https://voicelessnomore.wordpress.co...ally-do-exist/

https://domestic-violence-law.com/false-accusations/

https://mensdivorce.com/divorce-atto...-claims-abuse/

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

True lexus we were discussing DV claims, but as we KNOW ITS happening, with all sorts of other claims, ....

.. who is "we" .... in the "we KNOW"?

With a statistical experience rate in this country in both Federal and State jurisdictions of around 90%+ plea bargains it occurs to me that the "incidents of false claims" by complainants is statistically low, particularly when one factors in another 5 to 6% of trials in which no plea agreement was made.

That brings down the "pool" of potential "false claims" to be part of about 4 to 5% (actually less) of ALL CRIMINAL CASES. Hardly an "epidemic"! Sure "it happens" ... so do lightening bolts killing people.

A REASON why the false claims of domestic violence are higher than most categories of crimes is because of several reasons: (1) using the claims to extort money; (2) using the claims to extract a larger property award in divorce/partner cases [even use of a residence to which they might not otherwise be entitled to use]; (3) leverage in custody/possession cases; and (4) because the man doesn't want to get her in trouble [chivalry?] for being the perpetrator/initiator of the family violence .... just to name the most frequent that come to mind. There is another category in criminal cases in which the victim recants so she can continue living with the guy, because she is emotionally and/or financially dependent on him!

[bamscram]

First thing in the interview with gold medal winner Shaun White they bring up sexual abuse.

[LexusLover]

In February 2017, White requested that the San Diego Superior Court require Zawaideh to undergo a mental health evaluation, but three months later, White and Zawaideh reached an undisclosed settlement.

Why is anyone asking? Who really cares?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

What happened to the attorneys who admitted to encouraging their clients to lie (make up charges) to the police/DA? When did you see this 60 Minutes?

I've been truing to find a link, but my google=fu must be weak.. Cause i am not getting anything. Not even on a site that suppposedly lists all the 60 miniutes episodes (though it only goes back a few years)..


[QUOTE=LexusLover;1060501395].
With a statistical experience rate in this country in both Federal and State jurisdictions of around 90%+ plea bargains it occurs to me that the "incidents of false claims" by complainants is statistically low, particularly when one factors in another 5 to 6% of trials in which no plea agreement was made.

That brings down the "pool" of potential "false claims" to be part of about 4 to 5% (actually less) of ALL CRIMINAL CASES. Hardly an "epidemic"! Sure "it happens" ... so do lightening bolts killing people.[/quote]

So, if there's 50,000 crimes a year being done, of domestic violence, and 4-5% of them are potentially false, and maybe 40% of the potentials are actually faked.. THat still makes for what, 100 or so faked claims a year.. When we have 2-4 cases of a disease in a school, that's seen as nothing, but when it gets to 30-40, that's seen as a major issue..

So why when 100+ DV claims a year are potentially fakes, is it NOT seen as big an issue as it should be?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

So, if there's 50,000 crimes a year being done, of domestic violence, and 4-5% of them are potentially false, and maybe 40% of the potentials are actually faked.. THat still makes for what, 100 or so faked claims a year.. When we have 2-4 cases of a disease in a school, that's seen as nothing, but when it gets to 30-40, that's seen as a major issue..

So why when 100+ DV claims a year are potentially fakes, is it NOT seen as big an issue as it should be?

Not sure where you get your stats on the number of DV "claims" a year, but ... to play along ... you mention 100 "fake" claims.

That's an average of 2 per state, if one doesn't factor in the population differences and weight the average accordingly.

A quick look got me a DOJ 1998-2002 stat eval. You will see that the number of FV/DV assaults average about 6 million nationwide per year. But you can't just use that number without looking at all the categories and how they are divided. For instance, you would be surprised at the number of male victims! Wouldn't you? Look at page 25.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs04.pdf

I didn't find more recent stats quickly.

A "big issue" ... it should be, but unfortunately our criminal justice system prioritizes.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Not sure where you get your stats on the number of DV "claims" a year, but ... to play along ... you mention 100 "fake" claims.

I used 50k as an example.. Not an actual statistic..

Originally Posted by LexusLover

A "big issue" ... it should be, but unfortunately our criminal justice system prioritizes.

In the manner of in essence REWARDING those who wish to fake up crimes.. Cause no matter what, the people they accuse's are ruined, often socially as well as work wise.. BUT THEY GET TO SCATE scott free.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

In the manner of in essence REWARDING those who wish to fake up crimes.. Cause no matter what, the people they accuse's are ruined, often socially as well as work wise.. BUT THEY GET TO SCATE scott free.

Those who fabricate claims against others are not REWARDED because they are not prosecuted criminally. In most states, Texas is one, there is a civil action against the individual who files a false criminal complaint against another person. It is an intentional tort for which punitive/exemplary may be recovered.

You cannot "assume" that the person who was falsely accused is "ruined" in each case. There are people in this world (employers, family, friends, and neighbors) who actually believe in the "Presumption of Innocence" and do not "assume" that because someone was charged they are "guilty" of the charge.

But like I've said in here: Just because someone is found "not guilty" doesn't mean the complaint was false. It literally means that there was insufficient evidence presented in the minds of the jurors (or judge) to prove the identified defendant committed the crime to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" burden.