President Trump's tax returns.

[Austin Ellen]

Perhaps I did take that literal.
In the spirit of coming together I will say former President Obama did help a lot of Americans.
One thing I admired about him is his empathy in regards to the victims and families of terrorist attacks.

I am hopeful that President Trump can do it too. He just needs some time.

Honestly, I gotta stop watching so much news. It's just seems like a cluster mess in Washington D.C. - So glad that I don't live there.

Originally Posted by Milly23

Ellen I think you are taking that too literal. When you say all Americans, that means all people. Blacks, Hispanics, other minorities, poor, middle income, etc. No president will make every person happy. But they should try to help all Americans. Yeah you didn't like insurance but that saved a lot of people. Trump hasn't done anything or proposed anything that will help many communities. I can guarantee you that Obama did something for you. Maybe you don't know it but he did, so you can't say things like that. I mean if you want to go there how many African Americans can say that Trump is doing nothing for them and actually hurting them. Oh and again how is that VA coming? Didn't he cancel the planned meeting to discuss it at the golf White House because the head of the department wasn't invited to the meeting? You talk about high premiums, look at the numbers for this next plan. High premiums early on. Trump has admitted that his plan and budget hurts his voters and he's working on it. Seriously, he's only working on helping the rich right now. Not those other communities.

[Austin Ellen]

Yes, President Obama did do many things for the environment.
As far as taxes - it just gets me about that heath care penalty that only effected people who couldn't afford health care in the first place.
But President Obama did the best he could. Apparently - there are a lot of people in Washington who just want to put up roadblocks for legislation that helps people. And I'm talking both parties.

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Just a couple small examples (though there are plenty): Do you think that when Obama supported efforts to protect the environment, he was doing this only for Democrats? Or was he doing this for the benefit of ALL Americans?

When Obama tried to get the filthy rich to pay more in taxes so that the middle class could prosper, was he doing this only to benefit Democrats? And, would you Austin Ellen, have benefited from such a tax change?

[Milly23]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Perhaps I did take that literal.
In the spirit of coming together I will say former President Obama did help a lot of Americans.
One thing I admired about him is his empathy in regards to the victims and families of terrorist attacks.

I am hopeful that President Trump can do it too. He just needs some time.

Honestly, I gotta stop watching so much news. It's just seems like a cluster mess in Washington D.C. - So glad that I don't live there.

Glad you can say something positive. So I will do the same. I will give Trump a big thank you for doing something to help fix the problem with the water in Flint.

I don't think anyone should watch less news. I subscribe to: I will watch CNN, I will watch a little MSNBC. But I will also watch Fox News. And now I have two sides to the story and it's up to me to do the research to figure out where the truth really lies.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

I don't worship him but I support him. He is the President.
And as far as action - he hasn't even been in office 6 months and everyone's a critic.

My criticism is based on his actions prior to him even thinking about running for President. Look, if he can come CLOSE to doing what he promised he would do during the Presidential campaign, I would vote for him in 2020. Some of which are:

Eliminate ISIS
Lower taxes (which will probably not happen to the extent he promised)
Improve on the ACA (I don't care if Obamacare is repealed or not. Just eliminate the problems with it. The ACHA as currently being voted on in the House, is MUCH worse for most people than the ACA. Except for the rich.)
Build a wall on our southern border AND make Mexico pay for it (Part 1 underway; nothing on Part 2)
Set term limits on Congress
Balance the budget
Improve the infrastructure of the country.

I also agree that it is MUCH too early to begin praising him or criticizing him for the job he is doing as POTUS. 6 months minimum. 1 year maximum to make some headway.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

My criticism is based on his actions prior to him even thinking about running for President. Look, if he can come CLOSE to doing what he promised he would do during the Presidential campaign, I would vote for him in 2020. Some of which are:

Eliminate ISIS
Lower taxes (which will probably not happen to the extent he promised)
Improve on the ACA (I don't care if Obamacare is repealed or not. Just eliminate the problems with it. The ACHA as currently being voted on in the House, is MUCH worse for most people than the ACA. Except for the rich.)
Build a wall on our southern border AND make Mexico pay for it (Part 1 underway; nothing on Part 2)
Set term limits on Congress
Balance the budget
Improve the infrastructure of the country.

I also agree that it is MUCH too early to begin praising him or criticizing him for the job he is doing as POTUS. 6 months minimum. 1 year maximum to make some headway.

We can praise him for good things done, or criticize him for bad things done or commits not made. Needn't wait, if he does something particularly well (Gorsuch nomination) or badly (tweets about Obama ordering spying). Currently, the AHCA does not meet his campaign promises. I think it is one of many broken campaign promises to come... hope I am wrong.

WRT you others on your list, term limits on Congress will require amending the Constitution, that will NEVER HAPPEN, it will never get out of Congress to be sent to the states for ratification. Wall will probably be built for about $25B, but (IMO) will be looked on as a joke by later generations... the anti-Statue Of Liberty. Plus, Mexico will never pay for it and they are already lining up targeted tariff increases for Red State businesses (e.g., Iowa pork producers) if they try. Let's just jail anyone hiring an undocumented worker, problem solved. Won't happen, because those industries requiring low cost labor (farming, construction, hospitality, etc) have powerful lobbies.

Balance the budget? That would require tackling SS, Medicare/Medicaid and Defense budget. Not enough bipartisan leadership to do this, as it will be politically painful/suicidal.

I'd settle for significant reduction of regulations, rewrite of personal and corporate tax codes and investment in infrastructure.

[Kickrocks]

A company can only lose what its worth. Being incorporated gives those advantages. I'm assuming all of them were which means they usually can't go after personal wealth... He'd still be rich even if not bankruptcy protection..

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

OK, lustyturd, I will explain in another way since you ride the short bus:

If it was 1991 and if there was no such thing as bankruptcy protection, Trump would have owed more than his net-worth. People would then sue him for every last penny. Had it not been for bankruptcy laws and other laws that allowed him to shield whatever wealth he had left, Trump would have been completely broke. I find it hard to believe Trump would have then turned zero dollars into billions. Trump kept his wealth and was able to rebound because of bankruptcy protection.

Simply put (for simpletons like lustyturd), bankruptcy protection does not make you rich. Bankruptcy protection keeps you from going broke. Do you finally understand, or are you still lost? Are you still stuck on an endless idiot loop of "duh, how does going bankrupt make you rich?" (lustyturd> )

Its funny and ironic: The more you post, lustyturd, the more you prove to be the mental equivalent of a 5th grader. It is no wonder you and Trump are a perfect match.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

We can praise him for good things done, or criticize him for bad things done or commits not made. Needn't wait, if he does something particularly well (Gorsuch nomination) or badly (tweets about Obama ordering spying). Currently, the AHCA does not meet his campaign promises. I think it is one of many broken campaign promises to come... hope I am wrong.

WRT you others on your list, term limits on Congress will require amending the Constitution, that will NEVER HAPPEN, it will never get out of Congress to be sent to the states for ratification. Wall will probably be built for about $25B, but (IMO) will be looked on as a joke by later generations... the anti-Statue Of Liberty. Plus, Mexico will never pay for it and they are already lining up targeted tariff increases for Red State businesses (e.g., Iowa pork producers) if they try. Let's just jail anyone hiring an undocumented worker, problem solved. Won't happen, because those industries requiring low cost labor (farming, construction, hospitality, etc) have powerful lobbies.

Balance the budget? That would require tackling SS, Medicare/Medicaid and Defense budget. Not enough bipartisan leadership to do this, as it will be politically painful/suicidal.

I'd settle for significant reduction of regulations, rewrite of personal and corporate tax codes and investment in infrastructure.

I should have also mentioned job creation, especially in those 3 states that got him his victory in November -- Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Flipping those 3 states from blue to red did it for Trump and now he owes those voters the jobs he promised to them.

I don't disagree with you. I have said this many times -- Trump made many promises to the people of this country during the Presidential campaign. Many people voted for him based on those promises and many people voted for him as the lesser of 2 evils. Either way, Trump should be fairly evaluated on what he said he would do for the country. I didn't believe his promises when he made them and I still don't. The items that you would settle for I will not.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I didn't believe his promises when he made them and I still don't. The items that you would settle for I will not.

Agreed.

I am not settling, just being realistic as to what are the least damaging, positive things he could do.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

Agreed.

I am not settling, just being realistic as to what are the least damaging, positive things he could do.

Hey, I know there is no way that Trump could push policies all of which SPEND money (and I forgot he wants to spend more for the military) and cut our taxes significantly at the same time. Simply is NOT possible. AND balance the budget???

It all sounded too good to be true. And it is. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Hey, I know there is no way that Trump could push policies all of which SPEND money (and I forgot he wants to spend more for the military) and cut our taxes significantly at the same time. Simply is NOT possible. AND balance the budget???

It all sounded too good to be true. And it is. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Trump won't be able to balance a budget after all the tax cuts for Trump himself and his millionaire and billionaire associates. (The failed) Trumpcare would also be boon to the wealthiest of Americans, while hurting many people with modest incomes.

[EasyLove123]

How many are college educated that voted for Trump? His win margins were so small, his piece in the Times speaking to his "false hoods" or "alternative facts" will render him an "alternative president" for the present.

I didn't vote for Hilary, I voted for Jill.

Come 2018, the minority majority will show up and put dems back in charge.

[Cap'n Crunch]

[QUOTE=EasyLove123;1059329159]How many are college educated that voted for Trump? His win margins were so small, his piece in the Times speaking to his "false hoods" or "alternative facts" will render him an "alternative president" for the present. /QUOTE]

LOL I like that.

Here is something for all of those who support "alternative facts":

The "So-called President" Trump... You know what? He is not actually the "President"*. And that is the "alternative FACT".

Trump fucked my dog! Lock him up! Hey, I tweeted it, so it must be true!


*(I put "President" in quotes, so... you know...)

[Cap'n Crunch]

Amazing part of the Obama wiretap lie that doesn't get enough coverage: Trump is President of the US. If he was legit and Presidential, all he had to do is contact the Justice Department or the FBI to find out whether or not he had been illegally wiretapped.

But instead Trump offered baseless "alternative facts" like the pathological lying sociopathic sack of shit he is.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Trump offered baseless "alternative facts" like the pathological lying sociopathic sack of shit he is.

Yeah, I guess Trump needs to stop believing "fake news" publications like the New York Times:

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

OK, lustyturd, I will explain in another way since you ride the short bus:

If it was 1991 and if there was no such thing as bankruptcy protection, Trump would have owed more than his net-worth. People would then sue him for every last penny. Had it not been for bankruptcy laws and other laws that allowed him to shield whatever wealth he had left, Trump would have been completely broke. I find it hard to believe Trump would have then turned zero dollars into billions. Trump kept his wealth and was able to rebound because of bankruptcy protection.

Simply put (for simpletons like lustyturd), bankruptcy protection does not make you rich. Bankruptcy protection keeps you from going broke. Do you finally understand, or are you still lost? Are you still stuck on an endless idiot loop of "duh, how does going bankrupt make you rich?" (lustyturd> )

Its funny and ironic: The more you post, lustyturd, the more you prove to be the mental equivalent of a 5th grader. It is no wonder you and Trump are a perfect match.

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

LMFAO! lustyturd is stuck in an idiot loop! He can't even comprehend the simplest of premises! Thank you turd, for making it so easy to hand you your ass!

Time after time after time after time!

You are one dipshidiot, aintcha? You don't even know enough to STFU when you're in way over your head. You stupidly conflate bankruptcy with limited liability. Limited liability means owners and investors are not personally liable for the obligations of their firms. If you owned stock in Enron back in 2001, you lost 100% of your original investment, but you weren't personally liable for a penny more. Bankruptcy laws didn't allow Trump to shield his personal wealth; limited liability did. People are always free to sue him PERSONALLY, but – thanks to limited liability - they can't legally force him to pay his business debts unless he personally guaranteed them.

Trump has never filed for PERSONAL bankruptcy. His CORPORATE bankruptcies were all related to over-leveraged casino properties in Atlantic City. If bankruptcy didn't exist, owners would simply walk away from businesses that are hemorrhaging cash. If there was no court or trustee to manage the process, such businesses would wind up being liquidated in a corrupt and disorderly way – the worst possible outcome for bondholders and other major creditors.

You would make more sense if you said bankruptcy protection allows creditors to minimize their losses, not equity investors (like Trump) who generally lose all or most of their investment after a Ch. 11 reorg. But then, you don't even understand the difference between debt and equity, do you crunchyass?

Oh well, don't let that stop you... tell us again, crunchydick, how does going bankrupt make you rich???