20 % tax genius

[Jeffrey Spaulding]

Our "successful business man" president suggest a 20% tax on goods from mexico to pay for his wall. Does he not realize food and manufactures that use these good will only pass these costs on to consumers so we will indirectly be paying for his wall. First hit will be produce prices at the grocery store. We would have been better with whlie coyote then the two choices we had. Hopefully this clown won't ruin the country

[Cap'n Crunch]

20% tax on Mexican goods sounds great to ignorant simpletons who do not understand the consequences.

[PrettyBoyG]

How many times has his companies filed for Bankruptcy? Donald Trump has no business trying to run a country.

[FirePhoenix]

He never had a plan so now he is just pulling numbers out of his ass as usual. Why is anyone surprised by this? Besides WTF good would a wall do anyways? It seems to me that they (anyone crossing the boarfer illegally)pretty damn good at building tunnels. I could have sworn that I heard about some criminal using one to escape. Wasn't there a couple of tunnels into California? IDK maybe I was just reading "alternative facts".

How about a fence? I heard that we helped the Saudi build a very impressive one.

[David.Douchehurst]

Now, hold onna seckond. Shore, thangs laik Messkin beer an' avocados an' corn shucks fer makin' tah-mallies is a gonna go up 20% 'r more. But if'n awl us gringos duz our pay-tree-ahtic doody, it's gonna be all tha Messkins thet came o'er here still a-buyin' thet stuff an' they'll be tha ones payin' fer tha wall. An' thets kinda laik makin' Messko pay fer it. Sorta.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Spaulding

Our "successful business man" president suggest a 20% tax on goods from mexico to pay for his wall. Does he not realize food and manufactures that use these good will only pass these costs on to consumers so we will indirectly be paying for his wall. First hit will be produce prices at the grocery store. We would have been better with whlie coyote then the two choices we had. Hopefully this clown won't ruin the country

Do you know what the American trade deficit is with Mexico? Look it up. Then look up how much of the products imported from Mexico are actually manufactured by Mexican companies. You'll find that most manufactures are actually made by American producers who moved their factories there. So there really isn't any expansion of trade with Mexico under NAFTA. All that's happened is two things: One is that American companies moved their factories to Mexico so 35 dollar a day peones (peons) can make them and NOT pass along the lower costs to Americans, but apply the difference to EARNINGS. The second result was that Mexico was opened up to American corn producers, which wiped out Mexican corn farmers, which has thrown huge numbers of Mexican farmers off their lands. This is one reason for the influx of villagers into the U.S. since NAFTA began.

I don't think a small tariff on Mexican tomatoes or avacados would increase food prices much. If Mexican tomatoes increased in price somewhat it would just open up more room for American producers from California and similar places. What did we eat before all these Mexican vegetables came here?

Okay maybe iceberg lettuce might go up just a smig.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by pussycat

I don't think a small tariff on Mexican tomatoes or avacados would increase food prices much. If Mexican tomatoes increased in price somewhat it would just open up more room for American producers from California and similar places. What did we eat before all these Mexican vegetables came here?

Before we became dependent on Mexican goods, like vegetables, the middle class had more money to spend. The middle class used to describe the American Dream. Now middle class means barely making ends meet.

Computers are taking away more jobs every year. Companies are NOT passing any of the savings to their employees; worse yet, they are squeezing employee wages and benefits in order to grab some extra profit for those who are already exceedingly wealthy. Wage stagnation of the middle class is a serious problem, and people are dependent on cheap goods from place like China and Mexico just to make ends meet.

Once you put a huge tax on these goods (20% is not a small tariff), you make things less affordable for the average American, who can barely get by as it is. So in reality, It becomes yet another tax on the American people.

Of course, if there wasn't so much unchecked greed from the top, middle class could afford to pay a bit more. We have the largest income inequality in history and it looks like its going to get even worse.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Crunch

Before we became dependent on Mexican goods, like vegetables, the middle class had more money to spend. The middle class used to describe the American Dream. Now middle class means barely making ends meet.

Computers are taking away more jobs every year. Companies are NOT passing any of the savings to their employees; worse yet, they are squeezing employee wages and benefits in order to grab some extra profit for those who are already exceedingly wealthy. Wage stagnation of the middle class is a serious problem, and people are dependent on cheap goods from place like China and Mexico just to make ends meet.

Once you put a huge tax on these goods (20% is not a small tariff), you make things less affordable for the average American, who can barely get by as it is. It becomes a tax on the American people.

Of course, if there wasn't so much unchecked greed from the top, middle class could afford to pay a bit more. We have the largest income inequality in history and it looks like its going to get even worse.

I agree with the thrust of your views, but it's an exaggeration to say that we are "dependent" on Mexican vegetables. If all vegetables from Mexico disappeared tomorrow we would see little price increase. The costs of producing lettuce and tomatoes and spinach in Mexico is lower than in America, but the Mexican companies which ship them just increase the prices to the American level and then pocket the difference. I really don't think Mexican vegetables are much less in price than American ones, although their costs are much lower.

The same is true of everything made in Mexico. They have much lower costs, but the prices are about the same as American products because the owners pocket the difference.

In Puebla, Mexico, is the world's largest auto plant. It's owned by Volkswagen. They pay their workers less than $39 dollars a day. But the price of the cars made in Mexico and sold here is no less than American produced counterparts.

The are just more profitable.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by David.Douchehurst

Now, hold onna seckond. Shore, thangs laik Messkin beer an' avocados an' corn shucks fer makin' tah-mallies is a gonna go up 20% 'r more. But if'n awl us gringos duz our pay-tree-ahtic doody, it's gonna be all tha Messkins thet came o'er here still a-buyin' thet stuff an' they'll be tha ones payin' fer tha wall. An' thets kinda laik makin' Messko pay fer it. Sorta.

I couldn't have stated it better. Like always you're right on target. Btw are you married? I have a daughter graduating from Stanford with her MBA this May. Would you be interested in meeting her?

[Cap'n Crunch]

Originally Posted by pussycat

If all vegetables from Mexico disappeared tomorrow we would see little price increase.

USA does not provide all fresh fruits and vegetables year round. In order for restaurants and home shoppers to get certain items year round, we get them from south of the border. Yes, not dependent, but certainly this is a great convenience that would be sorely missed. And, on top of that, we would all pay more for whatever we get purely from US sources. And every bit more we pay constitutes a net tax on the American people.

[David.Douchehurst]

Originally Posted by pussycat

I couldn't have stated it better. Like always you're right on target. Btw are you married? I have a daughter graduating from Stanford with her MBA this May. Would you be interested in meeting her?

Thet depends. How does she feel 'bout creepy, old, fat, smelly, guys wif small peckerdillos?Statistickly, she prolly ain't inta thet, but they sez thar's sum buddy fer e'ery buddy. Who knows?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by David.Douchehurst

Thet depends. How does she feel 'bout creepy, old, fat, smelly, guys wif small peckerdillos? Statistickly, she prolly ain't inta thet, but they sez thar's sum buddy fer e'ery buddy. Who knows?

Ah sez, go fer it, David D! Tha gal's gonna haf a Stan-fud Masdah o' Bad Ass degree! Dontcha knows thets a lahsince to steal? An if'n she's purdy as a peach, thets jist mo' icin' on tha ol' cake! (Pahdon fo' mixin' mah medaphors.)

An besides, 'taint no reasin to be frettin' 'bout yer peckerdillo if'n yew takes tha blu pill!

[David.Douchehurst]

Tha Blu pill don't help if'n they cain't e'en tell when ya put it in!

[gfejunkie]

They need us more than we need them. They'll come around.

[gfejunkie]

Libs building walls?

"Walls for me, but not for thee."

Hmmm... hypocritical much???

http://www.businessinsider.com/prote...an-wall-2017-1

http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/06/presid...se-brick-wall/

Gotta keep that riff raff out!

Build that wall!... Build that wall!