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Old 08-28-2016, 10:44 AM   #1
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Default Drumpf has small hands, but a massive Catholic problem

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...holic-problem/
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Donald Trump has a massive Catholic problem

By Aaron Blake August 28 at 8:00 AM

Pope Francis, left, has suggested that anyone who wants to build a border wall “is not Christian.” Donald Trump, right, said it is “disgraceful” for religious leaders to question someone’s faith. (Pool via Reuters)
Much has been made of Donald Trump’s problems with a few voting groups — female voters, blacks and Hispanics, and young voters, in particular. And, to be sure, they are all problems.

But relatively speaking, his biggest problem actually appears to be with a different group: Catholics.

Yes, the man who once feuded with the pope (how soon we forget that actually happened) is cratering among Catholics.

Back in 2012, GOP nominee Mitt Romney lost the Catholic vote by just 2 points, 50 percent to 48 percent. And the GOP has actually won the Catholic vote as recently as 2004 and in 5 of the last 10 presidential elections.

The Catholic vote was neck-and-neck in 2012
01020304050Obama50%Romney48%
Source: Exit polls
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But Trump trails among Catholics by a huge margin. A new poll from the Public Religion Research Institute released this week shows him down 23 points, 55-32.

PRRI poll shows Clinton leading by 23 among Catholics
01020304050Clinton55%Trump32%
Source: PRRI

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A Washington Post-ABC News poll released earlier this month painted an even worse picture for Trump’s Catholic support. He was down by 27 points, 61-34.

WaPo-ABC poll shows Clinton leading Catholics by 27
0102030405060Clinton61%Trump34 %
Source: Washington Post-ABC News

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If you compare the difference between Romney’s margin among Catholics in 2012 and Trump’s margin among Catholics this year, the 25-point difference is tied for the biggest shift of any demographic group in the Post-ABC poll.

Catholics have shifted most toward Clinton of any group
For each demographic, the + number is how much better Clinton's margin is than President Obama's was in 2012. So since Clinton leads by 8 points nationally and Obama won by 4, among all voters she is +4.
0510152025All+4Democrats+2Repu blicans+15Independents+118-29+330-49+250-64+1865++21White evangelical+16Protestant+19Cat holic+25
Source: Washington Post-ABC News poll

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(The only group that matches that 25-point shift is white, college-educated women. Romney won them by 6 points; Trump trails by 19.)

Trump’s deficits among non-whites and young voters, by contrast, are similar to where Romney and Republicans have been in recent years. The Post-ABC poll, in fact, showed Hillary Clinton failing to match Obama’s margin among non-whites — though not in a statistically meaningful way — while her margin among young voters ages 18-to-29 was three points better.

These are groups, in other words, that Republicans don’t expect to do well with. And they still don’t.

But Catholics have long been a swing vote in presidential elections, and right now they’re swinging hard for Clinton.

It’s also hard to overstate just how significant Trump’s poor performance among Catholics is. That’s because they comprise about one-quarter of voters in the United States (25 percent in 2012 exit polls) and are about as big a voting bloc as non-whites (28 percent) and independents (29 percent).

While we often look at how Trump is doing worse than Romney among Hispanics, we’re really talking about the difference between Trump taking 45 percent of the vote and 46 percent — or maybe 49.5 percent or 50.5 percent. That’s because Hispanics are only about 10 percent of the electorate, and the GOP’s share of that vote is likely to be between 20 and 35 percent or so.

When talking about Catholics, though, Trump is basically adding 5 to 7 percentage points to Clinton’s overall margin. If 25 percent of the electorate is Catholic, Clinton is currently taking 14 to 15 points worth of that chunk, while Trump is taking 8 or 8.5 points. And this is a group, again, that is usually close to tied.

The reasons for Trump’s struggles among this group are open to interpretation. Perhaps Pope Francis’s criticism of Trump and Trump’s surprisingly confrontational response have turned off Catholics to Trump’s candidacy.

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," the pope said in February when asked about Trump’s border wall.

As the Religion News Services’s John Gehring recently posited, it could also have something to do with Trump’s immigration policies:

Part of Catholics’ DNA is an appreciation for how Irish and other immigrants toiled and thrived in the shadow of a suspicious, fiercely anti-Catholic culture dominated by white Anglo-Saxon Protestants. ...

When Trump calls for a religious test for Muslims entering the country; questions the faith of Hillary Clinton, President Obama and Mitt Romney; and demonizes undocumented immigrants as “rapists,” it’s a reminder of the ugly nativism that Catholics once faced.

While this contemporary strain of old xenophobia is particularly felt by Latinos who increasingly are the face of the Catholic Church in the United States, many white Catholics surely take pride in family stories of grandparents and great-grandparents who were strangers in a new land. Trump has dug himself a deep hole he is unlikely to climb out of with these voters.

But whatever the cause, Trump’s struggles among Catholics remains one of the really undersold story lines of the 2016 election.

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Liberal Catholics don't support Trump, Who knew?

Everyone except a Shit Eater named Urinal Lips...


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Dude you are just as eat up about the chance of Trump winning as all my lefty actor friends are.
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Dude you are just as eat up about the chance of Trump winning as all my lefty actor friends are.
He fears his free stuff won't be available any more!
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His reviews kinda scream that huh?
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Wow.

I'm still waiting for LLephantMan's fist review. What's it been, 40 years or so?

LMAO!
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You are suck a weak little man. So unattractive.
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His reviews kinda scream that huh?
I pay so I don't have to review.
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I think that goes over his head.
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I think that goes over his head.
Or through it ...

....... in one ear and out the other without impediment.
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doing reviews is work.
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Or through it ...

....... in one ear and out the other without impediment.
garbage in, garbage out.

or in this case... piggy in (oink oink), piggy (oink oink)
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Wow.

I'm still waiting for LLephantMan's fist review. What's it been, 40 years or so?

LMAO!
You realize splitting the electorate into every conceivable group and turning them against the other side, and demonizing the other candidate, contributes to the divided country we have, don't you?
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garbage in, garbage out.

or in this case... piggy in (oink oink), piggy (oink oink)


Dildo and his buds........
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doing reviews is work.
Being creative is always strenuous for some....particularly YouRong!

Actually, there are a sufficient number of ladies who will not even see someone who posts on Eccie, and refuse to see those who review (or who they are concerned will review)..to justify not doing them.

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