Is there really a sure way to tell if a backpage girl is real or not?

[Guest123018]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

when you see "Outcall Only" you're dealing with a scammer.

Oh, boy!!

[alaine]

I'd also add....avoid ads that contain drug references, such as:
Love to "party"
420 friendly
Ice Cream Social
A lot of times it is LE trying to get the most out of a bust. 2 for 1 type bust for drugs AND prostitution.

Recently in the Dallas area I've been seeing a number of HIGHLY explicitly worded ads that make me think...OK they are either an idiot or LE.

[MaxiMilyen]

Dude, when you walk in the door, poke her. If she deflates, chances are....she ain't real. LOL

OP, consider your sources around here, do your homework, and if it feels like it possibly could be "hinky" then let it pass. Asking for refs keeps a lady safe, so if used otherwise I've never heard of that, not that it couldn't be. Refs usually are simply other providers you've seen and will vouch for you as being a safe date.

Understand there are mistrust factors on both sides of the fence as both sides have liars, scammers, etc... so both sides are responsible for the BS.

Know what it is you desire, communicate clearly and respectfully, and don't get in a hurry such as "right now" appts, or lots of things could get overlooked and boom, that's all she wrote. Just as any part of your life, if it feels "off" somehow, step back until you can find something that says otherwise or just find something else.

No two ladies are alike just as there are no gents exactly alike. It's a risk, no matter what side of the game board you are sitting on. So, be safe and learn to trust yourself. Like anything else, you're either a natural at doing something or ya Do something different than the other guy in order to get it just right for you. Hobby on and stay safe....always.

[Buying a *Way to Heaven]

Originally Posted by Seeking ~P

So avoid her when she asks for references?

Depends. If she's not verified with a reasonably long history and current reviews, asking for references is a 100% deal breaker. Giving "references" to a Pigg could be used against me and could also be used against the reference. If a lady wants me to take risks and prove something when she will take no risks and has proven nothing, she is blacklisted.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by Buying a *Way to Heaven

Depends. If she's not verified with a reasonably long history and current reviews, asking for references is a 100% deal breaker. Giving "references" to a Pigg could be used against me and could also be used against the reference. If a lady wants me to take risks and prove something when she will take no risks and has proven nothing, she is blacklisted.

This makes it seem as if a lady has to prove herself worthy by taking chances that men can refuse to take and that's OK. There is something wrong with this picture to me.

Sorry, but aren't males supposed to be the ones who can protect and defend themselves better than females? Not that any male in this world ever took advantage of, hurt, or otherwise caused unnecessary issues for a new lady in this biz. I dunno, this indicates no one gives a flying fudgesicle if the ladies have that need at all and tough beans if they get hurt or something before they prove their all mighty worthiness of getting screwed by those unable or unwilling to screw otherwise, for whatever their reasons are. refs from a fella not using his real name and info given to someone else not using a real name, should not pose an issue. Never a need for real world info if you are not a paranoid individual, just do your homework.

The gents don't get a pass regardless...tit for tat. Some men understand this and trust themselves to know what's up. Any male unwilling to ensure a lady feels safe within reasonable limits, should get blacklisted. ijs

[Titanium]

As much as BP is ill-reputed but deserving to be only filled with scammers and time wasters, I must admit I have found some good girls on there. Diamonds in the dirt, but they are out there. especially girls who are now getting their feet wet in the hobby world, or who are just in for a short time.

As bad as BP is reputed to be, there are worse sites like craigslist,

There are some cities that do not have an active community here on ECCIE but have a lot of BP activity.

having said that, this guy lists quite a few good signs that I have also found to be true in my experience of trawling BP

Originally Posted by Buying a *Way to Heaven

You never really know what's in the well until you drill. But some things that I tend to avoid:

Any ad that contains obvious LE bait: "ask about my specials", "mention this ad", etc.

BP ladies that ask for references (or anyone at all that wants to know where I work).

"New in town" or "just visiting for 2 days" but the number can't be found on a reputable site. I like ladies that have kept a phone # long enough for a sting to come and go.

Phone number in pics doesn't match number in ad.

"Too good to be true" photos, especially full face.

Same lady (phone number) using photos of different women to advertise (sometimes in the same ad!)

Pics that have been used with other phone numbers, at least until they've been associated with the new number for a few months.

Pics where the lady is obviously concealing a gross floppy gut.

Excessively raunchy pics or language, or any mention of specific acts.

"Residential outcall only". Are you fucking kidding me?

Photos with names like "screenshot123".

In general I look at the written content of the ad for discretion and intelligence. Pictures are nominal on BP, you rarely get the woman pictured but that doesn't mean she looks disgusting. On the other hand I don't answer ads with no pic at all. The choice of pics gives some insight into the nature of the lady, whether they are real or not.

I think the most important bit if u take nothing else is "In general I look at the written content of the ad for discretion and intelligence. "

trawl BP enough and you can get a sense of what is to be trusted and what is to be trashed. Google reverse image search works well. Serious girls reply to you.

there are also website that have pages dedicated to BP reviews and scams, from local mongers who share intel on known scammers. such as USASG, but unfortunately it isn't active for all cities

[Buying a *Way to Heaven]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

This makes it seem as if a lady has to prove herself worthy by taking chances that men can refuse to take and that's OK. There is something wrong with this picture to me...

Maxi, at the risk of starting a flame war with you, I'd like to point out that I am *not* asking ladies to do anything to prove themselves. I do not call up a BP girl and demand her references or a picture of her driver license or any of the ridiculous things that ladies sometimes ask for. I do not ask her if she has a pimp or is planning a cash and dash. I just deal with every situation as it arises.

Everyone in the hobby takes risks. The biggest risk is LE and it is not worth compromising my own, or anyone else's, safety from the Bad Guys for the sake of security against mere thieves. The law, if it can, will do much worse to you than merely rob you or even rape you.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by Buying a *Way to Heaven

Maxi, at the risk of starting a flame war with you, I'd like to point out that I am *not* asking ladies to do anything to prove themselves. I do not call up a BP girl and demand her references or a picture of her driver license or any of the ridiculous things that ladies sometimes ask for. I do not ask her if she has a pimp or is planning a cash and dash. I just deal with every situation as it arises.

Everyone in the hobby takes risks. The biggest risk is LE and it is not worth compromising my own, or anyone else's, safety from the Bad Guys for the sake of security against mere thieves. The law, if it can, will do much worse to you than merely rob you or even rape you.

It's a crap shoot on both ends a lot of the time, and that's a shame. I completely understand.

I wouldn't ever give personal info if I was a gent, unless of course it's his only way to get in. Then he should choose a lady with a good rep...no dings for causing problems for the gents.

The law can not do worse than to rape a woman, unless they kill her. I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen a lot. Getting killed by a police officer for providing or being a client even, is not a common occurrence or even high on the list as a threat. It's a LOT worse to get raped than to get booked. I've never been booked for anything, but I do know that booking someone is a little more tolerable than getting raped. Go look at what an actual rape victim might look like and then go look at what a booked client might look like. Neither looks happy, but I assure you, you'll understand what I am talking about without me having to go into graphic detail concerning either one.



Wasn't picking a fight, but the gents aren't taking any bigger of a risk than the ladies. On these threads, all the guys have their say, and I'm sure it's not anything on the ladies, but rarely do the gents advise the why, how, or even that both sides of the fence are responsible for all of it.

[Buying a *Way to Heaven]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

It's a LOT worse to get raped than to get booked.

I'd rather get raped than go to prison. A man might prefer getting raped even to getting booked, if the latter meant divorce and unemployment. Some ladies seem to forget that gentlemen, while they may have fewer encounters with fewer strangers, generally have more at stake also.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by Buying a *Way to Heaven

I'd rather get raped than go to prison. A man might prefer getting raped even to getting booked, if the latter meant divorce and unemployment. Some ladies seem to forget that gentlemen, while they may have fewer encounters with fewer strangers, generally have more at stake also.

No they don't. Women have family, friends, and lives out of the hobby and even if they didn't. You, my friend, are not better than any lady in this biz. Sorry, but you are not now, nor has any man ever been.

Ask any man who has been raped whether employment or any kind of blah blah blah is worse than being violated horrifically in a manner rapists violate their victims whether they put a bruise on the victim or not. I am 99.9999999% certain that he'd tell you that you are misinformed and ain't got your priorities straight at all. He might even tell you to sit down and %&*(*)* if you don't know for yourself what it is like or have zero compassion for those who have suffered rape. Dude, you do NOT want rape over anything. Don't say things like that.

Did you go look at what a rape victim looks like? Do you have any idea what rape does to someone, not just physically, but how it affects every fiber of their being? Apparently not. Fine. Here are some stats, but I have no idea how to tell you to find some compassion for this, but I will say, you need to get some. It's gonna suck to find others, such as yourself, have none of that for you someday and should it happen to you, and then just rather adamantly announce to the world they'd rather be raped. No, hon. No you wouldn't.

Men, Women, and Children Are All Affected by Sexual Violence
Every two minutes another American is sexually assaulted.

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.
About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.

Perpetrators of rape are often serial criminals.

Out of every 1,000 suspected rape perpetrators referred to prosecutors:
370 have at least one prior felony conviction, including 100 who have 5 or more
520 will be released—either because they posted bail or for other reasons—while awaiting trial
70 of the released perpetrators will be arrested for committing another crime before their case is decided

In 11% of rape and sexual assault incidents, the perpetrator used a weapon.

6% Gun
4% Knife
1% Other

Personal weapons—such as hands, feet or teeth—are used against victims of sexual violence in about 2 out of 3 cases.
90% of rapes and sexual assaults are perpetrated by one offender. 10% are perpetrated by two or more.

90% of rape is against females and 10 percent against males

I imagine most of the men raped are in prison, not in booking or jail and then released on bail or via their own recognizance, depending on lots of things.

[Guest123018]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

No they don't. Women have family, friends, and lives out of the hobby and even if they didn't. You, my friend, are not better than any lady in this biz. Sorry, but you are not now, nor has any man ever been.

Ask any man who has been raped whether employment or any kind of blah blah blah is worse than being violated horrifically in a manner rapists violate their victims whether they put a bruise on the victim or not. I am 99.9999999% certain that he'd tell you that you are misinformed and ain't got your priorities straight at all. He might even tell you to sit down and %&*(*)* if you don't know for yourself what it is like or have zero compassion for those who have suffered rape. Dude, you do NOT want rape over anything. Don't say things like that.

Did you go look at what a rape victim looks like? Do you have any idea what rape does to someone, not just physically, but how it affects every fiber of their being? Apparently not. Fine. Here are some stats, but I have no idea how to tell you to find some compassion for this, but I will say, you need to get some. It's gonna suck to find others, such as yourself, have none of that for you someday and should it happen to you, and then just rather adamantly announce to the world they'd rather be raped. No, hon. No you wouldn't.

Men, Women, and Children Are All Affected by Sexual Violence
Every two minutes another American is sexually assaulted.

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime.
About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.

Perpetrators of rape are often serial criminals.

Out of every 1,000 suspected rape perpetrators referred to prosecutors:
370 have at least one prior felony conviction, including 100 who have 5 or more
520 will be released—either because they posted bail or for other reasons—while awaiting trial
70 of the released perpetrators will be arrested for committing another crime before their case is decided

In 11% of rape and sexual assault incidents, the perpetrator used a weapon.

6% Gun
4% Knife
1% Other

Personal weapons—such as hands, feet or teeth—are used against victims of sexual violence in about 2 out of 3 cases.
90% of rapes and sexual assaults are perpetrated by one offender. 10% are perpetrated by two or more.

90% of rape is against females and 10 percent against males

I imagine most of the men raped are in prison, not in booking or jail and then released on bail or via their own recognizance, depending on lots of things.

Thank you!!!!

[MaxiMilyen]

W2H, I do not wish to harp, but not sure if you really understand with a few stats provided. Read or not, but I hope it helps someone, regardless. FYI, without giving away too much of my personal info, I want you to know that I have worked with male victims of rape as well as females, and men don't handle it as well as females. Never say you prefer to be raped instead of any other bad thing you have fooled yourself into believing could be worse than this. I know this is not true even if you can not imagine it might be or actually is.

This is a long letter, so I'm providing a link. It is not boring in the least. It will give you an idea of what a rape victim experiences right up to the trial date of her rapist. And that is not all there is...you will never view the world the same again.

Scroll thru the highlighted red text to get to the letter.

Here Is The Powerful Letter The Stanford Victim Read Aloud To Her Attacker

[JocelynJohnsin]

You can also run the phone number in the Facebook search bar- a lot of bp girls are dumb enough to have their phone numbers they use in their ads tied to real life Facebook accounts- happens way more often than one would think.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by JocelynQC

You can also run the phone number in the Facebook search bar- a lot of bp girls are dumb enough to have their phone numbers they use in their ads tied to real life Facebook accounts- happens way more often than one would think.

I bet all the fellas like you, hottie!


Hey, do you have a hard time getting refs from all the other ladies?


Just wondering and sorry OP...it's relevant to the thread, cause fellas need refs and it's important for the ladies to know stuff like this too. No safety conscious man in his right mind would see a lady that does not screen every client, and if dumb ladies won't get back with the one you choose, she might take for granted the reasons for this. It's clear we understand who might be responsible for the problems gents have being able to see the lady they chose.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

My advice: run her pics through tineye. I usually only go with the "sexiest one", but if you're feeling froggy run all of them. If even one comes back as not being hers, I pass. Here's an example:

The ad: http://houston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/super-upsc-uty-viab-1-pmt/29825181

The results: http://tineye.com/search/d38c02be422fe0104c1d91acb4a418 cde141cc9e/

Don't rely on selfies or "amateur" photos as opposed to professional looking pictures to be your litmus test. Camgirls post selfies on their sites all the time and average looking hookers get professional "boudoir" photos done too. Reverse image searching is your best bet.

You can also make some gut-reaction calls based on language. In general, when you see "Outcall Only" you're dealing with a scammer. When a fat, ugly or pimped girl shows up at your house or hotel room, what are you gonna do? Kick her out and risk a scene at your home or hotel where you are registered? Not likely. Besides most guys are stupid and will fuck the uggo that just showed up anyway.

But to answer your question, no. There is no surefire way to weed out all the bullshitters on BP. If that turns you off of using it as a hobbying tool though, you're missing out on a pool of new chicks who are trying to get themselves established. I've found some really hot hookers who perform off of there. It's not often, but they're out there.

Good advice