Movie Theaters don't kill people...

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by DSK

I applaud the immigrants who work their ass off and build, clean, etc. They are probably helping, if you only count them. They have dependent families - do they all work, or do some of them receive free public benefits? We need healthy, young, educated rich people to come make new industries and inventions, not just willing workers willing to build houses cheaper than someone else, no matter how much some people benefit from that.

If they came here outside of proper immigration procedure, they should go back where they came from.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

If there were no guns and just bladed weapons then you would be bitching about bladed weapons. Nothing would really change.


Jim

While I am not in favor of abolishing guns, guns do not kill but they make killing much easier. If you have to use the 2nd most common weapon used in homicides, probably a knife, how many of the 8,000 or so people killed in gun homicides in the U.S. each year, would be alive today. IMHO, the majority. Even a poor shot with a handgun could probably kill me from at least 10 feet away. Come at me with a knife and you better be faster than I am and be sure I don't have something within reach with which to protect myself.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

That's not convoluted enough and far too 'common sense' to have any merit. Come on Shammy, you know who we're talking to here. BTW, did you burn those brown sheets from rey lingo the dog-faced bitch boy yet?

If there's a more illiterate, stupid or retarded individual on here, they're related to rey lingo

Ahhh, woomby ! Did you and shammy and Big Sir already ruin that "wedding present" that we all chipped in to get you ? Did you all rub so much of your own shit into them when you fudge packers where doing what you fudge packers do that it wouldn't wash out ? So how much longer did you use them than Momma / sister's white sheets ? Was that the problem, your lazy lying liberal ass didn't ask Momma /sister to wash them enough ? Are you and shammy having a lovers quarrel over your meeting with Big Sir and are doing the swishy walkers version of " splitting the sheets" ?
Is that how you peter puffers do it ? Burn the sheets ?
And AGAIN with the projection woomby / undercunt / rusty balloon knot / wanna-be jalapeno sucker ? Illiterate, stupid AND retarded individual describes YOUR inbred family. Just go ask your Daddy /brother and Momma /sister why YOUR family tree looks just like a telephone pole ! Look, we can all understand the pain you felt at a young age of having your marriage proposal rejected by your "cousin" Bubba, but you don't have to punish yourself at the 'holes over it or run off to Mexifornia to find your OTHER soul mate, Big Sir !

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

While I am not in favor of abolishing guns, guns do not kill but they make killing much easier. If you have to use the 2nd most common weapon used in homicides, probably a knife, how many of the 8,000 or so people killed in gun homicides in the U.S. each year, would be alive today. IMHO, the majority. Even a poor shot with a handgun could probably kill me from at least 10 feet away. Come at me with a knife and you better be faster than I am and be sure I don't have something within reach with which to protect myself.

Don't underestimate what a person can do with a knife. A person with a knife possessing average skills can close the gap between himself and his subject with unbelievable speed. Unless a person has advanced skills in defense against the knife his efforts may prove worthless.

Jim

[shanm]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

That's not convoluted enough and far too 'common sense' to have any merit. Come on Shammy, you know who we're talking to here. BTW, did you burn those brown sheets from rey lingo the dog-faced bitch boy yet?

If there's a more illiterate, stupid or retarded individual on here, they're related to rey lingo

Ahhhh that old reytard....Haven't seen him posting here anymore...wonder what happened to him

[shanm]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Guns aren't the problem. Would you really rest easier at night if a mass gun confiscation was underway? If that was to actually take place, at the end of the day what you would essentially have is decent law abiding citizens that are unarmed. On the flip side of that coin you would still have a criminal element that would become bolder even if they were unarmed , and by the way the average street criminal will find a way to arm themselves with a firearm. Don't be fooled guns are not the real issue. I'll agree Gun Control laws have their place, but only up to a point. I don't especially like hearing about innocent citizens getting shot and killed. But to attack the "Gun" to lessen incidents of gun violence may not prove to be the ultimate solution. I honestly think we'll see a day where certain venues like Sports Stadiums, Theaters, any venue where a large population of people will congregate will be met with a TSA check point specifically for the detection of weapons and other contraband.

Jim

Guns aren't the problem? We have endless amounts of empirical data that proves otherwise. They took away their guns in Australia, did the same in the UK. Their gun death rates went down. I quite honestly have no idea how you anyone can look at cold hard fact and still be in denial.

There's only two reasons republicans like guns. Number one, plain and simple, they LIKE guns. That is legitimately half the republican argument to arming our civilian population with lethal weapons.
The other half is basically that right-wingers are scared of their own shadow. They believe that if the government took away their guns they would be living as an enslaved populace to a tyrannical government, which is totally fucking stupid if you ask me. Nowhere in the world would you find shit like this but in the good ol' USA.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by shanm

Ahhhh that old reytard....Haven't seen him posting here anymore...wonder what happened to him

Still here, Junior Fudge packer and associate cum guzzler ! So are you and woomby splitting the sheets already ? So is the "engagement" officially off ? You two never did say thank you to those of us that pitched in to get you two those brown sheets as a "wedding present" ! Are you upset about him spending time with Big Sir and leaving you to work the 'holes by yourself ? Isn't assup working a shift for you two at your 'holes at Talleywackers and your "franchise" 'holes ? Did assup prove unreliable again ? Left you holding all those (ball) bag(s) by yourself ? If you want to upset your "former" INsignifiCUNT other woomby, tell HIM that YOU are going on vacation to Intercourse Pennsylvania !! That should make him jealous ! That ought to get him fag swinging with rage the way you swishy walkers do !! So does this mean that you'll be contacting WE's "attorney" for advise on how to split your "common law marriage" assets ? As much as you've helped woomby build his dream of the " Starbuck's of glory holes " at Talleywackers and the other franchises, you should get something out of the deal than half of some brown shit-stained sheets !! Especially after woomby cheated on you with Big Sir on the sheets by doing ATM and rubbing Big Sir's shit on YOUR side of the sheets. Maybe WE's attorney can help you out ! Don't take it too hard. You'll MEAT someone else at the next gay pride parade ! Make sure that you wear that rainbow colored thong that used to drive woomby so crazy with anal lust !! How's THAT for revenge !!

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by shanm

Guns aren't the problem? We have endless amounts of empirical data that proves otherwise. They took away their guns in Australia, did the same in the UK. Their gun death rates went down. I quite honestly have no idea how you anyone can look at cold hard fact and still be in denial.

There's only two reasons republicans like guns. Number one, plain and simple, they LIKE guns. That is legitimately half the republican argument to arming our civilian population with lethal weapons.
The other half is basically that right-wingers are scared of their own shadow. They believe that if the government took away their guns they would be living as an enslaved populace to a tyrannical government, which is totally fucking stupid if you ask me. Nowhere in the world would you find shit like this but in the good ol' USA.

Sorry you're way off base. First off they haven't confiscated guns or banned ownership of guns in this country because they don't have the authority to do so. Secondly certain crimes would go up. You can ban guns in countries like the UK and Australia with good results because those countries aren't gun cultures like the United States. Let me ask you this, have you ever been a victim of a violent crime? If you haven't, you won't believe how quickly the incident unfolds. Don't try to compare America to other countries. Crime won't plummet in America just because guns don't exist. Shootings may drop, but crimes like Home Invasion, Car Jacking and strong armed robbery will increase because criminals will feel more confident they won't be met with armed resistance. Like I always say, be careful what you wish for.

Jim

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

What if there were no guns, period? Then we could defend ourselves with swords and axes, like in the old days. Guns in the hands of nuts is the issue.

No mentally ill patients not getting treatment, holes in reporting mental illness to the FBI for background checks is the problem/.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

If they came here outside of proper immigration procedure, they should go back where they came from.

That's not a realistic proposition. And in your comment we find a microcosm of what's wrong with most libertarian policies. They just aren't realistic. You have to deal with this on the level of real life, with real people. They aren't chess pieces to be moved around, with no thought to how it will affect their lives. They have jobs, they help their communities, they have families, etc. And I don't want to here about the reverse and how mexico would treat immigrants. We aren't mexico. I thought we were supposed to be the shining example for the world? What happened to that shit? I guess we only shine when it's convenient. Other than that, we're no better than anyone else.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Sorry you're way off base. First off they haven't confiscated guns or banned ownership of guns in this country because they don't have the authority to do so. Secondly certain crimes would go up. You can ban guns in countries like the UK and Australia with good results because those countries aren't gun cultures like the United States. Let me ask you this, have you ever been a victim of a violent crime? If you haven't, you won't believe how quickly the incident unfolds. Don't try to compare America to other countries. Crime won't plummet in America just because guns don't exist. Shootings may drop, but crimes like Home Invasion, Car Jacking and strong armed robbery will increase because criminals will feel more confident they won't be met with armed resistance. Like I always say, be careful what you wish for.

Jim

We are a relatively young country. We are basically a fucking stupid teenager. We have a dysfunctional relationship with guns in this country. It's been romanticized in stories, movies and music and it is not something that can be easily erased. And you start off by saying they can't ban guns in said countries and then two sentences later you say they CAN ban guns in those countries because they aren't gun cultures. So what you're saying is that we shouldn't ban guns because we have an unnatural love for them? As for not comparing countries, human beings are human beings. Provide some links for your info about certain crimes increasing, or I'm calling BS.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

We are a relatively young country. We are basically a fucking stupid teenager. We have a dysfunctional relationship with guns in this country. It's been romanticized in stories, movies and music and it is not something that can be easily erased. And you start off by saying they can't ban guns in said countries and then two sentences later you say they CAN ban guns in those countries because they aren't gun cultures. So what you're saying is that we shouldn't ban guns because we have an unnatural love for them? As for not comparing countries, human beings are human beings. Provide some links for your info about certain crimes increasing, or I'm calling BS.

Here's a video that might help you understand the differences between Australia and America in terms of guns.

Jim


https://youtu.be/J-vNo63NqB8

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

That's not a realistic proposition. And in your comment we find a microcosm of what's wrong with most libertarian policies. They just aren't realistic. You have to deal with this on the level of real life, with real people. They aren't chess pieces to be moved around, with no thought to how it will affect their lives. They have jobs, they help their communities, they have families, etc. And I don't want to here about the reverse and how mexico would treat immigrants. We aren't mexico. I thought we were supposed to be the shining example for the world? What happened to that shit? I guess we only shine when it's convenient. Other than that, we're no better than anyone else.

That's not a libertarian position. But you are too stupid to know that. The official Libertarian position would open the borders.


We became a shining example for the world by being a nation built on the Constitution. A nation where a document was our ruler, not a person. We are no longer that nation.


If people enter this country illegally, they are criminals. You make it sound like every illegal is either Mr. Rogers or June Cleaver. Bullshit. Many are coming here to commit crime and feed off the state. They drive wages down for citizens and legal immigrants. They are a burden to the system.


A record 93 million people are out of the workforce. You're going to say that the illegals will do work Americans don't want to do. Bullshit. Illegals allow Monsanto and Big Ag to pay less for labor than the market would demand if they weren't here. They are pawns of the crony capitalists, which you support.


Typical liberal. Pretending to be for the "little guy" while actually supporting elitist cronyism.


You want to help those poor illegal immigrants have a better life? The way to do it is for the U.S. To become a nation of laws again. To follow the Constitution again. To have a sound economy and a rational foreign policy again. Become the nation that spreads Liberty throughout the world, instead of dependence. A nation where individual rights are supreme at home and self determination abroad.


You're a tool of the fascists and stupid to know it. And you're a tool.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

That's not a libertarian position. But you are too stupid to know that. The official Libertarian position would open the borders.


We became a shining example for the world by being a nation built on the Constitution. A nation where a document was our ruler, not a person. We are no longer that nation.


If people enter this country illegally, they are criminals. You make it sound like every illegal is either Mr. Rogers or June Cleaver. Bullshit. Many are coming here to commit crime and feed off the state. They drive wages down for citizens and legal immigrants. They are a burden to the system.


A record 93 million people are out of the workforce. You're going to say that the illegals will do work Americans don't want to do. Bullshit. Illegals allow Monsanto and Big Ag to pay less for labor than the market would demand if they weren't here. They are pawns of the crony capitalists, which you support.


Typical liberal. Pretending to be for the "little guy" while actually supporting elitist cronyism.


You want to help those poor illegal immigrants have a better life? The way to do it is for the U.S. To become a nation of laws again. To follow the Constitution again. To have a sound economy and a rational foreign policy again. Become the nation that spreads Liberty throughout the world, instead of dependence. A nation where individual rights are supreme at home and self determination abroad.


You're a tool of the fascists and stupid to know it. And you're a tool.

I don't support capitalism in any form, firstly. You sound like Trump. Not every person who enters this country illegally is a rapist murderer either.

"That immigrants take the jobs of American-born citizens is “something that virtually no learned person believes in,” Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, said at a Thursday panel. “It’s sort of a silly thing.”

You're silly, you old whiskey shitter. No learned person actually believes that. Only old fools, like you. You've been confronted with facts, you don't recognize them because they don't fit your warped mindset. And I'm the one who isn't interested in truth?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...-jobs-20130322

You're a tool as well. You don't align with anyone and you think that somehow absolves you of any responsibility, because you didn't support anything. You're too goddamn stupid to realize what that makes you.

[CuteOldGuy]

I align myself with personal freedom and individual responsibility. I align myself with those who would limit the role of government to protecting individuals from having their life, liberty or property taken from them by force or fraud. I align myself with those that believe the rights of the individual are supreme, and so long as my activities do not interfere with others exercising the rights, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want. I don't believe in forced taxation, which is theft. I don't think the government needs to know where I live, what I do or how much I make, so long as I make it honestly, and not engaged in cheating or unfair market manipulation. I believe in helping those less fortunate than me, but I want to determine who will be the beneficiary of my charity, and how much. I will not give aid and encouragement to our enemies, foreign or domestic. That includes corrupt politicians from any party. I would not support foreign aid to any country, least of those who oppose U.S. Internationally.

Call me what you want, but this is freedom. This is what made us great. This is what we are losing, and why we are spiraling toward tyranny. Greece fell, Rome fell, we will fall, unless we change quickly and dramatically. We won't. We are toast. And when all is said and done, the cronyists are going to toss you aside, just as quickly as they will me. You're a useful idiot. They don't care about you. They don't respect you, and once the full extent of their control is revealed, you will receive no benefit for your mindless support. Your just a pawn, as am I, and everyone else on this board.


Our government was never designed to make sure people had enough, or to make our lives easier. It was designed to keep us free. The first duty of government is not to keep us safe. It is to keep us free.


Government has failed because we have failed. We believed the lies. We voted for corruption. We condone, and reward dishonesty. We allow the corporations and banks decide our candidates. We have no choice. Nothing changes. McCain would have passed the same health care bill. It was going to pass regardless. If McCain had passed it, the Democrats would be pretending to try to repeal it, and meet with no success. It was coming regardless who won.


What do Dems and Reps always agree on? Police state expansion, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, and other bills restricting freedom. Their phony arguments are on irrelevant issues, to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on. And the state controlled media follow suit, and yes, that includes FOX. FOX only serves to give the illusion of disagreement, but they are as phony as the others.


What needs to happen, won't happen. The elitists have too much control. The people are effectively distracted.


We are entering a very dark period. My heart breaks for my grandchildren. I'll be gone when the worst hits. Focus on the important. Love your kids. And grandkids. Give them a base of love and courage, and self worth. Those are the tools they need to survive. That's my mission for my remaining years. That, and pissing off WPF occasionally. I need to have fun, too!