Sandra Bland, what really happened?

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

That's why we're becoming a police state. The police are trained. The police are servants of the public. Most do a good job. When they don't, they should be fired. Your attitude promotes a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality. That's not how America is supposed to work. Unfortunately, that is not the trend. Now, I would not have responded to the cop that way. My first statement would be "Am I being detained?" If he said yes, I'd ask why. If he had no reason, I'd tell him I am leaving. If he resists, I ask for a supervisor. If he gives me a reason, I'll cooperate, and ask for my lawyer. No violence, no shouting. But it is still up to the cop to respect me, not the other way around.

Calling bullshit on you saying you are leaving. Its nice to talk big on the internet.

Of course you are being detained, do you even need to ask. He just pulled you over. I could be wrong but as for now I don't believe that he has to tell you why exactly at that point you are being detained.


You know what I would do so to not waste tax payer money and make things harder on myself, and give a guy a hard time for just doing his job when I was the one who made a mistake. Be polite because he is just doing his job and admit I screwed up. I would also tell him if we have a discussion that I like most people get a little nervous when a cop is behind me because I feel like my driving is being judged and I just wanted to get out of his way and made a mistake. You would probably both laugh a little about it because I am sure he already knows people are nervous and he wasn't always a cop. Then when he gave me a warning I would thank him and tell him have a nice day.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

She has to sign the ticket. I bet that would have gone well. What do you think?

Over to you super trooper.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

Calling bullshit on you saying you are leaving. Its nice to talk big on the internet.

Of course you are being detained, do you even need to ask. He just pulled you over. I could be wrong but as for now I don't believe that he has to tell you why exactly at that point you are being detained.


You know what I would do so to not waste tax payer money and make things harder on myself, and give a guy a hard time for just doing his job when I was the one who made a mistake. Be polite because he is just doing his job and admit I screwed up. I would also tell him if we have a discussion that I like most people get a little nervous when a cop is behind me because I feel like my driving is being judged and I just wanted to get out of his way and made a mistake. You would probably both laugh a little about it because I am sure he already knows people are nervous and he wasn't always a cop. Then when he gave me a warning I would thank him and tell him have a nice day.

He doesn't have to tell you UNTIL you ask, then he is required to tell you. If he says no then you can leave.

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

He doesn't have to tell you UNTIL you ask, then he is required to tell you. If he says no then you can leave.

First of all he already did tell her why she was detained. And I am laughing about your statement that you can just leave if he doesn't tell you..LMAO...Let me a guess an internet lawyer?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

First of all he already did tell her why she was detained. And I am laughing about your statement that you can just leave if he doesn't tell you..LMAO...Let me a guess an internet lawyer?

The cop was an overzealous turd. Did she have an attitude? Yes, but cops are taught not to escalate a situation.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

First of all he already did tell her why she was detained. And I am laughing about your statement that you can just leave if he doesn't tell you..LMAO...Let me a guess an internet lawyer?

Those on the board know I have a vast amount of experience with law enforcement both local and federal. I can give a fuck if you believe it or not.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

First of all he already did tell her why she was detained. And I am laughing about your statement that you can just leave if he doesn't tell you..LMAO...Let me a guess an internet lawyer?

If he says I'm not being detained, I can leave. There is not a damn thing he can do about it. If he says I am being detained, he has to tell me why. Right then, right there. You're an idiot if you give the police more power than they rightfully have.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

If he says I'm not being detained, I can leave. There is not a damn thing he can do about it. If he says I am being detained, he has to tell me why. Right then, right there. You're an idiot if you give the police more power than they rightfully have.

I don't know where you get your "law," but your source is wrong.

When the trooper signaled the traffic violator (Bland) to pull over ... she was "detained"! (Actually "under arrest") She was not free to leave until she signed a ticket, which is a promise to appear .... There is no law that says he has to tell her shit, other than what is on the ticket, only because she is promising to appear in court as a condition for her release. And since she is out of state he can take her to jail where she will have to bond out to be released (writing a person out of state with a promise to appear is a waste of time and energy) ... (He could have taken her to jail for the lane change violation, even if she had been a Texas licensed driver.)

in fact .... in reality the trooper more than likely would NOT TELL HER why she was being "detained" beyond informing her he pulled her over for the lane change violation.

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

The cop was an overzealous turd. Did she have an attitude? Yes, but cops are taught not to escalate a situation.

I don't have enough information to decide if he was overzealous and neither do you. One thing I do know is he got someone off the road who was not in condition to drive. She was higher then shit. Did he sense she wasn't in condition to drive? Neither you or I know. Did she blow smoke in his face on purpose which prompted him to tell her to put out the cig and then when she didn't do that then prompted here to take care of the ticket business out side of the car? Neither you or I know.

The anti cop anti authority bullshit that is going on in this country is out of control, that I do know.

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

If he says I'm not being detained, I can leave. There is not a damn thing he can do about it. If he says I am being detained, he has to tell me why. Right then, right there. You're an idiot if you give the police more power than they rightfully have.

Your just spewing bullshit. And why would anyone listen to a guy who would give a cop a hard time for pulling you over for a driving error you made right infront of him?
I always laugh when I see a video of a clown like you telling the cops what they can and cannot do when they are roughing you up and putting handcuffs on..

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

He doesn't have to tell you UNTIL you ask, then he is required to tell you. If he says no then you can leave.

You are wrong. "Vast amount of experience" or not.

There are people on here that might actually believe what you are saying and act on it.

If you do have "vast amount of experience" in anything, you should know better than to say things that others may take as being correct, and then they get in worse trouble.

That's what happened to Bland ... she believed the Al Sharpton's of the world.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

I always laugh when I see a video of a clown like you telling the cops what they can and cannot do when they are roughing you up and putting handcuffs on..

Those get on the "dumb criminal" TV series.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by brianjackson

...The anti cop anti authority bullshit that is going on in this country is out of control, that I do know.

And it's costing some of the marginal citizens of our community their lives and the media and the Obama administration are trying to beautify them.

[i'va biggen]

SCOUS has ruled a officer cannot prolong the traffic stop beyond intended reason, once that has concluded then it is over. The officer after writing the ticket has no authority to ask her to put out her cigarette. Anything after that was a ego trip. Rodriguez vs the US.......

[brianjackson]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

SCOUS has ruled a officer cannot prolong the traffic stop, once that has concluded then it is over. The officer after written the ticket has no authority to ask her to put out her cigarette. Anything after that was a ego trip.

Wrong. he can ask her to put out her cigarette for sure.He didn't tell her she had to put it out he asked her nicely and even said please if I remember correctly.

Now do you know if she was blowing smoke in his face? I know I don't. And he does have the right to tell her to get out of the car. Do you know if he suspected she was high as hell or not? I know I don't.

This is for all the anti cops..Are you glad that he got a driver off the road who was in no condition to drive and shouldn't have been on the road?