Why Do the Libtards Keep Lying About Bush?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Lies do not float around apart and absent a liar, the two are connected, one requires the other
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By that logic only murderer's kill people.

You can lie with good intentions you know...does not change the fact that you told a lie.

You boys are twisting yourselves up into pretzels on this one.

[RedLeg505]

Originally Posted by WTF

You can lie with good intentions you know...does not change the fact that you told a lie.

So.. then Obama lied "with good intentions" when he said the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi was caused by a you tube video? I mean, since he went with what his Intel Advisors told him, right?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by RedLeg505

So.. then Obama lied "with good intentions" when he said the attack on the Consulate in Benghazi was caused by a you tube video? I mean, since he went with what his Intel Advisors told him, right?

Yes that would be correct. Just as Bush lied when he said there were WMD's in Iraq when he went with what the intelligence community told him. Pretty simple really. Not sure why lustylad and a few others are having such a hard time with it.

[CuteOldGuy]

Bush lied. How is that complicated? It was a lie because it was based on false pretenses. I believe W wanted any excuse to topple Saddam. Saddam tried to kill his Daddy. Saddam embarrassed his Daddy, in that Daddy was unable to topple Saddam in the first Gulf War. War is good for business. Ask Halliburton. Remember they even said things like the Iraqis would greet us like heroes? Nope. That Iraq would pay us back in oil? Nope. That we would have a strategic ally in the Middle East? Uh, no.

WMDs were a pretense. Build a phony fear to convince the public that war is necessary, then open the financial floodgates for your cronies.


Bush lied. He should be in prison.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Bush lied. How is that complicated? It was a lie because it was based on false pretenses.... WMDs were a pretense.... Bush lied. He should be in prison.

It's not complicated. When it comes to WMD the only lie is that Bush lied. It wasn't based on "false pretenses" about WMD. Pretense implies an intent to deceive. As Judge Silberman noted, it was based on the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate which concluded with a 90% level of confidence that Saddam had WMD. The intelligence turned out to be wrong but you can't send someone to prison for not knowing the intelligence was wrong. You cheapen the meaning of the word "lie" when you toss it around so scurrilously. All you are doing is numbing everyone to the real lies out there so that pretty soon no one can tell the difference between a real lie and something that is labeled a lie for partisan political reasons. And therein lies the danger.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

By that logic only murderer's kill people.

You can lie with good intentions you know...does not change the fact that you told a lie.

You boys are twisting yourselves up into pretzels on this one.

No you twister of logic and fallacious thinker, only murderers murder.

Nice sleight of hand with the murders kill thing. I'd give you credit for that deceit but you aren't that smart, you seriously think that's brilliant. Its as mixed up and crazed as your crossed electrical impulses passing for a brain. Does that make you a liar?

You are too Unbrilliant to realize you are arguing against yourself with your post.

You recognize there's a difference between murder and killing, but somehow think that's a proof that there's no difference between being wrong and lying, when its the exact opposite.

You say by my logic only murderers kill, no I recognize the difference between murdering and killing and between misstatement and lying. by your logic, its you who doesn't.

Liars lie and murderers murder, killers kill. Some killings may be murders, just as some misstatements may be lies. Lies require liars and murders require murderers.

Just as acting on wrong information doesn't make you a liar without intent to deceive, killing in battle doesn't make you a murderer unless you are fragging your second looie in nam

Red herring alert: you can lie with good intentions - yeah so what? defend what no one is attacking, that's my wtf boy.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It's not complicated. When it comes to WMD the only lie is that Bush lied. It wasn't based on "false pretenses" about WMD. Pretense implies an intent to deceive. As Judge Silberman noted, it was based on the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate which concluded with a 90% level of confidence that Saddam had WMD. The intelligence turned out to be wrong but you can't send someone to prison for not knowing the intelligence was wrong. You cheapen the meaning of the word "lie" when you toss it around so scurrilously. All you are doing is numbing everyone to the real lies out there so that pretty soon no one can tell the difference between a real lie and something that is labeled a lie for partisan political reasons. And therein lies the danger.

Jesus Christ ... a lie is a falsehood. WMD's turned out to be a falsehood so by definition Bush lied. The circumstances of his lie would/should keep him from going to prison. That is what you lightweights are having trouble with the difference between a Liar knowingly telling a lie and a foolish buffoon telling one out of ignorance .

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Liars lie and murderers murder, killers kill. Some killings may be murders, just as some misstatements may be lies. Lies require liars and murders require murderers.



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Let's break this down for you low IQ folks.

Yes Liars, Lie.
Yes Murders, Murder.
Pretty simple.

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Liars lie and murderers murder, killers kill. Some killings may be murders, just as some misstatements may be lies. Lies require liars and murders require murderers.



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You almost get it. Yes Bush's misstatement was a fucking lie. A lie does not require a Liar. It does require either a liar or someone ignorant of the facts....which Bush was. He was ignorant of the facts. Does that make him a Liar? No but it does not change the fact that his misstatement was a LIE.


Think of it like this:
Death does not require Murder.
A Lie does not require a Liar.

But Death can occur without it being murder and a lie can be told by someone not intending to lie.

Slaying a human is like Slaying the truth....intent does not change the fact that death occurred. You accidentally killed someone. You accidently told a lie. A person is dead, the truth is dead. You are not a murderer , you are not a Liar. But the Death of a person and the Death of the truth still happened regardless of intent.

Intent like lustylad seems to partially grasp keeps GWB out of the grasp of COG. Not sure why he you and boardman won't admit that Bush lied. It appears unintentional. Thus COG has taken that lie a tad to far IMHO. Though I agree with his conclusion , I do not think there are facts enough to substantiate our beliefs.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

You're probably right, most times being incorrect is due to stupidity, like in your case, or ignorance. Lies can only come from a liar? Says who? You?

These guys have doubled down on stupid. Somehow in their mind they have come to believe a lie is not a lie if it is told out of ignorance! Funny thing is their ignorance is what perpetuates this false belief.

Originally Posted by boardman

It's not murder if you didn't intend to kill and it's not a lie if you didn't intend to deceive.

boardman, your false belief that a lie can not be told unless done intentionally is just plain wrong. Go to any Junior High and ask any student!

Jesus man a few years ago some fool was telling everyone that the end of the world was coming on some certain date. Turns out he was lying. Or was he.....You seem to think not. WTF man you killing me on this one. I feel like you have morphine into Jemma Martin on this one.Jemma give me back my boardman!

[boardman]

Originally Posted by WTF

These guys have doubled down on stupid. Somehow in their mind they have come to believe a lie is not a lie if it is told out of ignorance! Funny thing is their ignorance is what perpetuates this false belief.


boardman, your false belief that a lie can not be told unless done intentionally is just plain wrong. Go to any Junior High and ask any student!

Jesus man a few years ago some fool was telling everyone that the end of the world was coming on some certain date. Turns out he was lying. Or was he.....You seem to think not. WTF man you killing me on this one. I feel like you have morphine into Jemma Martin on this one.Jemma give me back my boardman!

We choose to define a lie in different ways. That's obvious. I use the most common definition which includes the intent to deceive. Looking at several legal definitions of "lie'(or what would be accepted in a courtroom) it appears that they all include intention to deceive as the basis for the word lie as well.
You look farther down the page. That's fine. You are in the definite minority with your definition and I'll give you credit...You own it.

You may be able to find some obscure legal site, further down the page when searching "legal definition of lie" that supports your claim , I stopped after two pages. What I am saying is this. If you tried to use your definition of lie in a courtroom, The judge would probably correct you and refer you to a legal definition or he may simply laugh your ass out of the courtroom. Ask any junior high schooler which one is the more common definition.

True Story:

The other day an employee relayed some information from a vendor. A little while later that vendor called back to tell her that the information was not good and they wanted to make sure that she had the correct information.

My employee came to me to relay the new information. Apparently she thinks like you because the first thing she said to me was, "I'm sorry, I lied to you earlier". Paraphrasing now...blah, blah is the correct info, The vendor called me back.

This is not the first time she has prefaced a comment like that...Saying she lied.
The other day I told her that relaying bad information wasn't a lie and she owed me no apology when that happens. I thanked her right away for bringing me the correct info and let it go at that.
Apparently you would have just accepted her apology.

I stand by my assertion:
It's not a lie if there is no intent do deceive and it's not murder if there is no intent to kill.

[nevergaveitathought]

wtf you're in it too deep

In your heart you know your stupid

But you 'd have to change your handle and never use emoticons again to not have to face up to it given your addiction to posting

Since either you don't read or cannot comprehend if you do struggle over trying to understand posts, I wash my hands of you about this

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Jesus Christ ... a lie is a falsehood.

So? .... "lie" and "falsehood" are synonyms......BFD.

You are a "genius"!!!!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by boardman

I use the most common definition which includes the intent to deceive. Looking at several legal definitions of "lie'(or what would be accepted in a courtroom) it appears that they all include intention to deceive as the basis for the word lie as well.

You look farther down the page. That's fine.

Actually, IMO, it is only "fine" if there is no "intent" on WTF's part. There is .

So, it is not "fine," .....

.... because WTF NEEDS to define the term to suit his CONCLUSIONS.

As for your employee story .... WTF even tries to claim that Bush admitted lying because some reporter claimed in a blog that Bush admitted to him that he had lied .... what WTF will not show is the actual interview of Bush in which he was making light of the accusation when he was asked about regrets during his administration ....

.. I have in jest told people I "lied" when I gave them incorrect information ... but that doesn't mean I was confessing to LYING ... and your employee might not be meaning she was actually lying ... but merely a "figure of speech" response.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

These guys have doubled down on stupid.

Does the little cartoon and big letters add credibility to your bullshit?

And does claiming someone is "stupid" make you feel more intelligent?

Does "doubling down" increase the worth of your opinion in your "mind"?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

boardman, your false belief that a lie can not be told unless done intentionally is just plain wrong. Go to any Junior High and ask any student!

I now see your "conceptual" problem ....


.. you are getting your information from .....



...Junior High Students!!!!!