Poll: Pay upfront/Pay afterward/Don't care?

[deerwhisperer]

I have always collected payment after the massage, only been ripped off by young guys so I just will not see anyone young anymore.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

The way you phrased your questions is a little biased.

"Monger: I always pay upfront as a gesture of good faith"

as in "I'm a good guy so I pay first."

"Monger: I always pay afterward or no session."

As in "I pay afterwards and I'm an ass about it."

Why not just ask if you pay first or afterwards and not attach any emotionally charged words to it? Are you a professional pollster in real life who conducts the "unbiased" polls we see on the news, or in political campaigns?

Also, why make the poll public where people can see how you voted?

I agree. It is slanted as well as self serving with the additional emotional commentary.

[nuglet]

I pay upfront, to get it out of the way, then enjoy the event.. if I get ripped off.. oh well, it's not a big enough hit on the budget to worry one way or the other. Plus, I only see Eccie ladies that have a good rep.. I'm not one to visit the newbies..

[Windinhishair]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I agree. It is slanted as well as self serving with the additional emotional commentary.

You are consistent. I'll give you that. Not many can take such a straight forward poll and make it anything other than what it is?

There is no way this thread could be construed as self serving. I certainly have nothing to gain by it.

Perhaps I could have worded it slightly different but what difference does that make in terms of purpose and content?

Rather than focus on any beneficial content of the thread and contribute let's turn it into another crazed Whisper's shark fest.

You went from being obscure for quite some time to returning as the crazed wannabe manic poster king posting anywhere and everywhere you can even if you have nothing in particular to say.

God forbid anyone start a few threads which distract even a little bit from the Whisper's spotlight in any way.

The nature of 100% of your threads is clearly to start fights and insight drama.

When you get bored doing that you start sending unsolicited PM's to plant bugs in folk's ears to stir shit up. You can only fool me once.

If it weren't for the fact that folks here have met you I'd swear you were a chick.
Actually I have to take that back as you're far cattier and more drama driven than any 10 ladies combined.

I think the vote count shows that most here recognize the poll is nothing more than what it is.

One day you will surprise everyone with an actually useful and beneficial post which isn't 100% self serving.

I for one won't hold my breath.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

The way you phrased your questions is a little biased.

"Monger: I always pay upfront as a gesture of good faith"

as in "I'm a good guy so I pay first."

"Monger: I always pay afterward or no session."

As in "I pay afterwards and I'm an ass about it."

Why not just ask if you pay first or afterwards and not attach any emotionally charged words to it? Are you a professional pollster in real life who conducts the "unbiased" polls we see on the news, or in political campaigns?

Also, why make the poll public where people can see how you voted?

Give him a break.
That has more often than not always been his M.O.
If you were ever to get a compliment from the guy, it would probably be backhanded also.

[Windinhishair]

OK crew pile on if you must but at least try to stick with the topic.

The fact that almost no providers have participated is very telling indeed.

The forum is a very scary place these days.

[rockerrick]

Or they don't want to say pay up front, and lose a shitload of potential clients?

[Toyz]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

OK crew pile on if you must but at least try to stick with the topic.

The fact that almost no providers have participated is very telling indeed.

The forum is a very scary place these days.

Newbie vs Regular for me...

If its a girl I'm seeing for the first time I want to get past any worries of receiving their stipend.

On first visit I'll generally put an envelope on the dresser, table, TV whatever and make sure she sees me put it there. Then when the session is over, I ask her to count it in front of me to be sure its right...

After the first time, they know I'm not a flake. If its OC my regs know where the donation is when we're through and its always in the same spot.

Oh except the times I saw sexylatina69....donation was hidden until completion of the mission...I ain't no fool.

[Windinhishair]

Originally Posted by rockerrick

Or they don't want to say pay up front, and lose a shitload of potential clients?

But the benefit of having a transparent poll is the numbers don't lie. Providers can see that 18 out of 21 mongers are happy to pay up front.

The reason I made the vote visible is so that no providers could post as mongers in order to skew the results one way or the other.
Likewise no mongers could post as providers for the same purpose.

It is a non biased and honest poll. I personally don't care how anyone other than myself chooses to pay but I did want to see the percentages.

I left the poll open without a close date in order to see how the numbers might or might not change with time as more folks participate and to see if ever changing hobby dynamics affect the balance.

[rockerrick]

Pussywhipped fools, 21 out of what maybe 500 to 1000?
Results aren't showing how many are seasoned veteran hobbyist that review vs maybe newbie scared of ruining their rep?
It's simple
You don't pay for dinner in a restaurant before eating (except for cheap ass no class fast food)
You don't pay for a mechanic before your car is fixed.
You don't pay a housecleaner before it's cleaned.

What you're gonna pay a hooker first? Why because she says so? Hell no, you want cash? You get it when the job is complete!

How many times has your employer paid you before you've done the work?
Hey boss can you pay me up front for the year? I swear I'll do a good job, show up on time, I promise!!! lol

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

The fact that almost no providers have participated is very telling indeed.

The fact that you made your poll public will certainly give the ladies pause in participating. And you are really expecting honesty?

z

[Windinhishair]

Originally Posted by rockerrick

Pussywhipped fools, 21 out of what maybe 500 to 1000?
Results aren't showing how many are seasoned veteran hobbyist that review vs maybe newbie scared of ring their rep?

Like I said it's that 3 out of 21 that tend to get emotional over a simple individual preference.

Why would you care how others vote or as is typical of you just go ahead and insult them for absolutely NO reason?

Not that it matters but do your math. If 3 out of 21 are happy to pay up front then why do you think the % would change with 500 or 1000?

I will reiterate. There is NO better or worse preference but why is it always the minority few attacking the majority who don't share their opinion?

You have your valid reasons for paying as you see fit and so does everyone else. Like I said at the beginning this isn't a debate but the emotional ones will turn it into one.

[Windinhishair]

Originally Posted by ztonk

The fact that you made your poll public will certainly give the ladies pause in participating. And you are really expecting honesty?

z

I'm missing the logic. It's a non-controversial topic. I would think as with any monger any provider would gladly state her preference that is unless she is afraid of being attacked by the few with seems to be a valid concern around here these days.

I'm not asking who likes BBFS. I'm asking what every provider wants every monger to know before showing up at her door.

The numbers which can't be disputed (only because it is a public poll) reflect that any provider participating will not have her business affected in any negative way no matter what her preference is.

She will however clearly get slammed for having a preference by one or two.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

You are consistent. I'll give you that. My opinions have not wavered much in the 15+ years I've been on these boards.

Not many can take such a straight forward poll and make it anything other than what it is?

Monger: I always pay upfront
Monger: I always pay afterward
Monger: I pay on a case by case
Monger: Whatever the provider requests
Provider: I always collect afterward
Provider: I always collect upfront
Provider: I collect on a case by case
Provider: Whatever the monger prefers

Would be a Straight up Poll.

Anonymous Answers would get you more feedback as well, Especially since providers walk a fine line keeping clients and can't really respond with possibly alienating someone


There is no way this thread could be construed as self serving. I certainly have nothing to gain by it. Certainly you do as do others that post to the method preferred by most ladies.

Perhaps I could have worded it slightly different but what difference does that make in terms of purpose and content? If you do not see the difference between the simple choices stated above and the ones you chose you simply choose not to. I have read enough of what you right to know you are smart enough to see it.

Rather than focus on any beneficial content of the thread and contribute let's turn it into another crazed Whisper's shark fest. How is it any Sharkfest? I simply agreed with another member and moved on till you called me out here.

You went from being obscure for quite some time to returning as the crazed wannabe manic poster king posting anywhere and everywhere you can even if you have nothing in particular to say. I've never been "obscure or a wannabe" and certainly not manic..... But you seem to embrace it when you are agreement and take your arguments to a personal level when you do not rather then arguing the merit of what is posted. . I thought you were above that.

God forbid anyone start a few threads which distract even a little bit from the Whisper's spotlight in any way. I posted a single sentence agreeing with another member that was one of 28 posts and you turn it into this? Struggling for relevance? Want the spotlight? Hey! Go for it.

The nature of 100% of your threads is clearly to start fights and insight drama. I must be pretty damn good at it then because lookie here and now..... With one sentance I pulled YOUR strings and now we can take it into a dozen different directions.....

When you get bored doing that you start sending unsolicited PM's to plant bugs in folk's ears to stir shit up. You can only fool me once.

If it weren't for the fact that folks here have met you I'd swear you were a chick.
Actually I have to take that back as you're far cattier and more drama driven than any 10 ladies combined.

I think the vote count shows that most here recognize the poll is nothing more than what it is.

One day you will surprise everyone with an actually useful and beneficial post which isn't 100% self serving.

I for one won't hold my breath.

Glad to hear that.

More than a few seem to appreciate what I share and when. I don't measure it though based on what I read and see here. I measure it in the quality of the friendships I make and maintain with the people I have come to know here over the years.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Windinhishair

OK crew pile on if you must but at least try to stick with the topic.

You can't handle it when peopel disagree with you huh?

The fact that almost no providers have participated is very telling indeed. You simply do not understand how Providers walk a fence trying to be everything to every possible client and that to select one of your choices with their name shown will be seen in a negative light by some potential clients.

The forum is a very scary place these days.

Not for those that pause to read and consider what others have to say, weigh it's value with the motivation behind it.....