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No. I want Obama to be forced to veto a bill that has bipartisan support and will create thousands of well paying shovel ready jobs.
I just want him to be forced to declare himself! He has postponed and procrastinated on the pipeline for 6 fucking years! That's bullshit and totally unfair to Canada and the North American energy industry. If he opposes it, he should have said "it won't happen on my watch" 6 years ago. Obama is not a stand-up guy! I don't care which side of the issue you're on, how can anyone respect him when he is too chickenshit to declare himself either way??
Undisputed? The State Department's Final Environmental Report says there are no global warming impacts.
What happened? In your own thread you said the Keystone would be issue that we could get both sides to agree on? Were you not inlcuding Obama in your equation?
Wellendowed: OK, Time We Compromise....you wrote:
"2) KeyStone Pipeline; I am pretty confident that this will be signed into law by obama- I personally don't think the pipeline would be a bad idea if all the proper analysis has been completed."
From 11 months ago On Keystone: State Department releases Keystone XL final environmental impact statement
The State Department concluded in its final environmental assessment issued Friday that the proposed Keystone XL pipeline would be unlikely to alter global greenhouse gas emissions, but officials cautioned that they are still weighing whether the project would meet the test of President Obama’s broader climate strategy.
This POS president has been holding up Keystone (and the massive economic spinoffs) for what reason ?
Answer: To punish the fossil fuel/fracking industry and the communities that rely on it?
Whirlaway please quote me correctly here is what I stated and note what I have highlighted in RED :I am pretty confident that this will be signed into law by obama- I personally don't think the pipeline would be a bad idea if all the proper analysis has been completed.
Whirlaway only a fool would propose and agree to a plan like the Keystone Pipeline and not look at the possible downfall. If the bad outweighs the good then the plan needs to be dismantled. WW I assume you test drive a car before you purchase one or inspect a house before you purchase a home? I Never stated the Keystone Pipeline was a bad bill- I merely stated that it has to be properly analyzed and make sure that it doesn't have a negative affect on gas prices or the economy. The report I posted showed that it indeed will destroy the ecosystem and eventually be bad for the economy. Can you please show me a reliable recent report where it states the opposite?
Whirlaway you should be familiar with Fracking in Denton county- yes it's good that it can be produce record amounts of natural gas- but do we dismiss the idea that studies have shown that Fracking has lead to numerous of earth trmeors in that region?
Whirlaway please quote me correctly here is what I stated and note what I have highlighted in RED :I am pretty confident that this will be signed into law by obama- I personally don't think the pipeline would be a bad idea if all the proper analysis has been completed.
Whirlaway only a fool would propose and agree to a plan like the Keystone Pipeline and not look at the possible downfall. If the bad outweighs the good then the plan needs to be dismantled. WW I assume you test drive a car before you purchase one or inspect a house before you purchase a home? I Never stated the Keystone Pipeline was a bad bill- I merely stated that it has to be properly analyzed and make sure that it doesn't have a negative affect on gas prices or the economy. The report I posted showed that it indeed will destroy the ecosystem and eventually be bad for the economy. Can you please show me a reliable recent report where it states the opposite?
Whirlaway you should be familiar with Fracking in Denton county- yes it's good that it can be produce record amounts of natural gas- but do we dismiss the idea that studies have shown that Fracking has lead to numerous of earth trmeors in that region?
But Americans naturally worry about pollution harming children and the poor. That makes it easy for EPA to promulgate regulations based on false assumptions and linkages, black-box computer models, secretive collusion with activist groups, outright deception, and supposedly “scientific” reports whose shady data and methodologies the agency refuses to share with industries, citizens or even Congress.
Whirlaway with all due respect it looks like you and a lot of Republicans and Conservatives are not looking at both sides of the issue- heres an article that you as a supporter of the Keystone Pipeline can't deny::
The Keystone XL pipeline is a great test case. The disastrous environmental impact of the pipeline is obvious. Simply mining the tar sands — let alone consuming the actual oil down the road — will release an incredible amount of carbon into the atmosphere.
Then the thick tar sands crude would go into the 1,179 mile long Keystone XL pipeline, winding past family farms and playgrounds and lakes and water reservoirs as it makes its way from Canada to Texas. The current Keystone pipeline, which runs from Canada to the Midwest, leaked a record 12 times just in its first year of operation.
Even if you're a conservative who doesn't believe the vast majority of the world's scientists agree that climate change is both real and man-made, hopefully you still believe in facts. And the facts suggest that the Keystone XL pipeline is a bad deal not just for America's environment but also for our economy.
In 2008, in its original application to the State Department seeking pipeline approval, the company TransCanada said the Keystone XL pipeline would involve "a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel." But by 2011, when the pipeline project had become controversial, TransCanada told a House subcommittee the project would create 20,000 jobs. TransCanada and the American Petroleum Institute have also alleged that an additional 119,000 jobs would be directly or indirectly created by the pipeline. Yet an independent academic study found the project would indeed create "no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction jobs for two years" and that, in fact, spills and the cost of damage from the pipeline could kill more jobs than it creates in the long term.
Well, at least the pipeline would help working families in America by lowing gas prices, right? Wrong. According to analysis by both CNN and Bloomberg, the pipeline would actually raise gas prices by creating a way for oil produced in the Midwest to make it to coastal refineries for exporting.
What the Keystone XL pipeline clearly would do is divert investment away from renewable energy — and investments in renewable energy produce more bang for the buck. Every $1 million invested in fossil fuels creates just 5.3 jobs while the same amount invested in clean energy creates 16.7 jobs.
Whirlaway do you still want to support the Pipeline even after the undisputed facts that it will actually raise oil prices and damages to the ecosystems?
Do you understand the carbon cycle? It is what makes life possible on this little planet of ours. Carbon is captured by various means and then it processed by animals, fires, and us back into the atmosphere. If we stop the carbon cycle then we all die. It's BIO 101.
As for leaks, there are leaks and there are leaks. With the safeties built into a pipeline a valve can limit a leak to a few thousand gallons which sounds like a lot but think about the Exxon Valdez and several thousand TONS of oil spilling out. How many tanker trucks (with several thousand gallons) or tanker cars on railroads (with many more thousands of gallons) spill every year but it does not rise to the level of being newsworthiness.
You want to see something done wrong? Go to the former East Germany. They moved oil in an open trough and countless millions of gallons spilled along the route. That land is just beginning to come back to life where the "pipeline" used to operate.
The US State Department completed their strung out investigation last year and gave a big thumbs up to the project. How can anyone (on the left) argue with the Obama State Department?
He says the Keystone XL pipeline will merely transport ‘their oil.’
Nov. 14, 2014 6:54 p.m. ET
Sometimes we wonder if President Obama has even the vaguest idea how a private economy works. The latest reason to doubt came Friday in Burma, where Mr. Obama was asked at a press conference about the Keystone XL pipeline, which has been waiting for approval for the length of his Presidency. The pipeline would allow oil to flow from Canada all the way to the Gulf Coast.
In off-the-cuff remarks, Mr. Obama managed to insult our great northern neighbors while suggesting that the project would be no help to U.S. workers or consumers. “Understand what this project is: It is providing the ability of Canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the Gulf, where it will be sold everywhere else. It doesn’t have an impact on U.S. gas prices.”
Someone should tell the President that oil markets are global and adding to global supply might well reduce U.S. gas prices, other things being equal. A tutor could add that Keystone XL will also carry U.S. light oil from North Dakota’s Bakken Shale. So even if he thinks that bilateral trade only helps Canada, he’s still wrong about Keystone.
“If my Republican friends really want to focus on what’s good for the American people in terms of job creation and lower energy costs,” the President added, “we should be engaging in a conversation about what are we doing to produce even more homegrown energy.” Mr. Obama routinely entreats Congress to spend taxpayer money on “infrastructure” to create jobs, yet he implies that the 1,179-mile Keystone infrastructure project won’t create jobs. Perhaps Mr. Obama really does think the American people are stupid.
Thousands of new HIGH Paying jobs would be created building this PIPE LINE.. Repulicans need to do a better job of explaing shit to the puplic. Welders make upwards of 35 to 40 bucks an hour working on thoses kinds of job, They go home and build houses, buy boats and trucks, eat out. and by the way the whole time they are off at work they live in hotels and and eat out. Thats just the welders. All kinds of crafts and jobs are needed to complete such a project.
Commrade Obamenijad dont give two shits for welders or any other workers. His lover George Soros is waist deep in Brazilian oil finance and Argentia as well. Thats where his loyalties lie, Soros.
Why do you want that? Wouldn't you rather create the jobs than fuck with President Blackula?
Who is President Blackula?
What is your point?
Other than the mid-terms really fucked with your and many of the Austin Reacharound Crew's mental health.
Who is President Blackula?
What is your point?
Other than the mid-terms really fucked with your and many of the Austin Reacharound Crew's mental health.
My mental health is just fine, fool. This isn't the first time the GOP has controlled the Congress.
Why are you acting like I and others should think its Armageddon? I'm anxious to see our elected Congress make laws that benefit the people of their districts and states.. Not sure any of them in there now know how to do it, but we'll see.
My point was and is, thst Whir-LIE-turd, et al, would rather see the president fail than America succeed, even through projects they support.
if your argument is "job creation," then go create the fucking jobs. Quit whining about President Blackula and follow through on your own plan.
That would, of course, require DEVELOPING a plan...
Commrade Obamenijad dont give two shits for welders or any other workers. His lover George Soros is waist deep in Brazilian oil finance and Argentia as well. Thats where his loyalties lie, Soros.
My mental health is just fine, fool. This isn't the first time the GOP has controlled the Congress.
Why are you acting like I and others should think its Armageddon? I'm anxious to see our elected Congress make laws that benefit the people of their districts and states.. Not sure any of them in there now know how to do it, but we'll see.
My point was and is, thst Whir-LIE-turd, et al, would rather see the president fail than America succeed, even through projects they support.
if your argument is "job creation," then go create the fucking jobs. Quit whining about President Blackula and follow through on your own plan.
That would, of course, require DEVELOPING a plan...
Do you understand the carbon cycle? It is what makes life possible on this little planet of ours. Carbon is captured by various means and then it processed by animals, fires, and us back into the atmosphere. If we stop the carbon cycle then we all die. It's BIO 101.
As for leaks, there are leaks and there are leaks. With the safeties built into a pipeline a valve can limit a leak to a few thousand gallons which sounds like a lot but think about the Exxon Valdez and several thousand TONS of oil spilling out. How many tanker trucks (with several thousand gallons) or tanker cars on railroads (with many more thousands of gallons) spill every year but it does not rise to the level of being newsworthiness.
You want to see something done wrong? Go to the former East Germany. They moved oil in an open trough and countless millions of gallons spilled along the route. That land is just beginning to come back to life where the "pipeline" used to operate.
The US State Department completed their strung out investigation last year and gave a big thumbs up to the project. How can anyone (on the left) argue with the Obama State Department?
I see you didn't touch the fact that the Pipeline could cause a spike in Oil/Gas prices. Also, the Pipeline deal could basically just shit on the gains the U.S would make from the new historic Carbon deal they signed with China
[QUOTE=Yssup Rider;1056038418] My point was and is, thst Whir-LIE-turd, et al, would rather see the president fail than America succeed, even through projects they support.
See him fail........Or you joking? This disfuntional retard is one big failure after lie after failure after lie after failure. Are you both blind and stupid ? What a dick smokin moron you are !
