P411 LE Infiltrations and reactions vs another board that takes them seriously

[Wakeup]

I'll ask the OP once more time...why do I care if LE has accounts on P411?

[BossyWillson]

Originally Posted by Wakeup

I'll ask the OP once more time...why do I care if LE has accounts on P411?

Even if they are on P411 U just have to look at their reviews where ever they may be

[SneakyCancer]

I think the moral of the story is LE is everywhere. Homework and history should be thoroughly examined. I think many ladies or gents would flip and give information if it keeps them out of hot water. Its no secret, to catch the wolf, you sometimes have to act like a wolf. Its fair game for any site and LE. and entrapment....that's funny.....I don't think that has ever won a case in the court vs. LE saying part of their job to catch you in a illegal act.

[EmilyEzzell]

dave, You asked a provider for information on another gentleman? No no

[davephx]

Originally Posted by Ed Highlight

How do we know Dave is not LE????

Not to brag but for most escorts I am the most respected person in Phoenix with 350 companions trusting me with information and providing it on the Private List since 1996, sexwork.com, sexworkcanada.com, libchrist.com, lovetouch.info etc.

When you speak the truth you do hurt some folks.

A few years ago Gina was very on top of things . Now she just says its all lies and rumors even when verified activity seen by another companion. This related to an earlier 2014 report I told Gina about.

Now that P411 is specifically mentioned as a trafficking site on the FBI website she may be being more defensive to protect her profits. Another RB it seems but harder to shutdown since in Canada.

On the other hand it is very useful to LE for stings since reports are not taken seriously. And I had no idea how many others feel the same way until I did more research all documented and linked in my original post.

Why would anyone want to be on a site listed by the FBI as a sex trafficking site?

[davephx]

Originally Posted by EmilyEzzell

dave, You asked a provider for information on another gentleman? No no

The provider asked me about Max who kept calling her for an appt which he seems to do whenever there is sting in Phoenix.

I contacted the P411 provider directy on P411. I knew from earlier experience when I contacted Gina about a seen directly by a Phx companion in the same jail bod another P411 person whose phone was taken she accused me of lies and rumors.

So I explained the suspecious situation to the P411 person who is based I believe in Houston and traveled to Phx for a week which included the date Max contacted the Phx companion which was also during the FBI sting.

I explained who I was, why I was asking and the speciousness and simply asked the P411 gal if she met with Max as he claimed. I had thought contact via P411 was the safest way BEFORE I realized the frequent use of P411 by LE.

The P411 gal ignored by question and asked who the escort was. What difference does that make? The issue was max.

In Phoenix asking if someone is a cop by a potential escort is a crime. It is called manifestation. So the P411 reply would seem was to try and entrap if I named the escort into possibly a manifestation charge even though indirect.

What else would any reasonable person assume?

I knew it was worthless to raise the question with Gina since she would just dismiss it as lies and rumors like she has both to me and others in the past.

[davephx]

BTW new law that applies to all of Arizona makes it a crime to ask if you are a cop, assist in any way, or be a customer of a "prostitute".

We have huge political pressure from the coalitions that have $millions of funding using the scam of UA and human trafficking getting new laws passed that use this myth as the reason but the law includes all consenting adult "prostitution".

We should be organizing to fight the laws and we have very solid grounds for constitutional challenge but unlike the well organized groups in Canada in the U.S. everyone wants to hide. We have lawyer ready to go for a declaratory judgement at the 9th Circuit based on solid grounds who has won adult cases before. But lack of $100k in legal costs and little support prevents a real legal challenge.

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

Originally Posted by davephx

The provider asked me about Max who kept calling her for an appt which he seems to do whenever there is sting in Phoenix.

I contacted the P411 provider directy on P411. I knew from earlier experience when I contacted Gina about a seen directly by a Phx companion in the same jail bod another P411 person whose phone was taken she accused me of lies and rumors.

So I explained the suspecious situation to the P411 person who is based I believe in Houston and traveled to Phx for a week which included the date Max contacted the Phx companion which was also during the FBI sting.

I explained who I was, why I was asking and the speciousness and simply asked the P411 gal if she met with Max as he claimed. I had thought contact via P411 was the safest way BEFORE I realized the frequent use of P411 by LE.

The P411 gal ignored by question and asked who the escort was. What difference does that make? The issue was max.

In Phoenix asking if someone is a cop by a potential escort is a crime. It is called manifestation. So the P411 reply would seem was to try and entrap if I named the escort into possibly a manifestation charge even though indirect.

What else would any reasonable person assume?

I knew it was worthless to raise the question with Gina since she would just dismiss it as lies and rumors like she has both to me and others in the past.

Kudos to whatever lady you contacted. Now that is what discretion is supposed to look like. I honestly can't believe that you thought a provider would tell you, a hobbyist, who she has or hasn't seen. That isn't how references work, and if I were to be contacted by a hobbyist asking me to confirm if I have seen someone that I gave an Okay to, I would tell you to go to hell. If your request was polite, I would be nice when I tell you to go to hell, but I would still tell you to go to hell.

The fact that she refused to answer your question doesn't mean squat. It just means she was smart enough to protect a client's discretion.

[davephx]

Just to be clear - the P411 women did not give an OK to Max. Only Max claimed he met with her and gave her as a reference trying to aggressively meet during the FBI bust in Phoenix.

[Guest022718]

Look, no matter how thin you slice this, it's still baloney.

Can P411 be infiltrated? Yes......just like any other site.

Am I gonna worry about it? Especially with other sites to help with research? Hell no.

You're spreading paranoia......and have lost all credibility.

P411 is an outstanding resource I will continue to use.

[davephx]

Would you point out what is balony vs fact?

Sorry if facts are so offensive.

I agree all sites may be infiltrated by LE but I have facts that one should be especially careful with P411. FACT: Listed on FBI website (see link in original post to the FBI) that it is considered a source for human trafficking. Is that baloney that it is highlighted by the FBI?

[Wakeup]

Once again...why should I care if LE has accounts on P411?

C'mon...as the most respected trick in Phoenix, I'm sure you have a reason why I should care that LE has control of some hooker accounts on P411...

[davephx]

Originally Posted by Wakeup

Once again...why should I care if LE has accounts on P411?

Because many escorts think they are safe by using it. ALL sites have been infiltrated by LE. TER long well known used and of course BP.

P411 is even more serious targeted by the FBI - FBI involvement is usually going after major crimes like Redbook with serious prison time not just a prostitution bust.

FROM THE FBI website:
On June 12 and 13, 2013, Denver Metro area law enforcement agencies participated in an operation that concentrated on escorts advertising on the Internet site www.preferred411.com.

Investigators have found this site to be used nationwide to advertise for the purposes of prostitution and to verify “clients.”

During the course of the investigation and two-day operation, 12 female escorts advertising on the website were arrested for prostitution-related offenses.

During a four-month investigation, law enforcement identified the escorts operating in Colorado and male “clients” using websites to conduct acts of prostitution or what the “clients” refer to as their “hobby.”

Previous investigations nationally have shown links to this type of website may involve human trafficking violations.

The FBI has previously stated, “We are working hard to stop human trafficking—not only because of the personal and psychological toll it takes on society, but also because it facilitates the illegal movement of immigrants across borders and provides a ready source of income for organized crime groups and even terrorists.”

[davephx]

In June 2014 the FBI did similar sting in Phoenix and 106 other cities. The suspicious client used the P411 reference during the time of the sting. But according to Gina its all just lies and rumors.

[Wakeup]

So you're saying that P411 is just the same as any other site, they've all been infiltrated by LE?