Another Video on Truth of 911

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by HoustonMilfDebbie

I, personally, began having doubts about 911 when I saw the one and only picture posted on the front page of every news magazine in America. The one that shows the plane easily gliding into a structure like the World Trade Center. Here is another video and inside information from the CIA. Someone got away with murdering thousands of hard working Americans. . .and I don't think it was from a foreign country! It was a totally collaborated, synthesized operation. Take a look for yourself:

http://youtu.be/rnbMjAN7Bws

You're an idiot, plain and simple. You can't believe the plain truth. You have to engage in ridiculous conspiracies.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

What about Building 7? How many other steel framed buildings have ever collapsed into their own footprint due to fire?

Just asking.

And I'm just answering.

How may steel-framed buildings ever collapse - PERIOD? Under any circumstances. Inside or outside their footprint.

What is your sample size, old fool? Two buildings?

Can you post some kind of proof that buildings normally do NOT collapse in their own footprint?

And what constitutes "in their own footprint", anyhow? Does every single brick, mail, window pane, and door knob have to land within the outline of the ground floor?

How much rubble can land outside the outline and still qualify as "in their own footprint"?

And while you are at it, provide some proof that Building 7 collapsed in its own footprint, as you have defined that term.

Give us a measuring stick so we can compare apples to apples. Or does providing objective criteria violate the rules of internet conspiracy theories?

[Guest123018-4]

It is called pancaking. Like dominoes in a row, all it takes is for one to fall..
The calculation would be the height of the two twin towers less the open space plus the core material equals the end height of the ruble pile without spreading outside it's own footprint.

The fact that other buildings fell that wee not actually struck by the two jet airliners does not account for the flying debris of the collapse . There is no way of knowing what parts of the building could have been compromised under the common work practices of contractors that had worked in the building. Who knows what fire proofing materials may have been removed or compromised during normal and constant remodeling of the office spaces.

What happened was in no way like a controlled demolition of a building by implosion.

But, if Cheney and Bush could blow the dykes in New Orleans, anything is possible.

[CuteOldGuy]

Even the 9-11 Commission was dissatisfied with the limited access they had to information. Why are you jumping on me and Debbie for wanting to know more about what happened? You can take the government's word for it if you want, or we could have a real investigation. We've lost so much freedom under the pretenses of preventing another 9-11, I'd like to know for certain what happened.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

What about Building 7? How many other steel framed buildings have ever collapsed into their own footprint due to fire?

Just asking.

Well I was never aware that the Empire State Building had been hit by a plane once. The building certainly sustained damage but it didn't just crumble to the ground afterwards. The damage was repaired and the Empire State Building still stands today. Interesting video footage.

Jim


http://youtu.be/5Jf8BN2C6PY

[Guest123018-4]

Two very different occurrences, two very different airplanes.

Buildings are designed for a failry static load. That is weight bearing on the structure is fairly constant and not dynamic likke a machine. Drop some weight such as a few floors from an adjacent building onto the roof and it will more than likely not even stop the downward motion. If it does the added weight will eventually, and in most case this would be a rather short period of time, cause failure of the support structure and the building collapses.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Two very different occurrences, two very different airplanes.

I read the towers were "rated" for a 707 strike, but ... based on the B25 experience with the Empire State Building which came in the fog it was not fully fueled. When the "topped off" aircraft hit those buildings on 911 the fuel spill generated sufficient heat to weaken the support structures ... folks were reporting fuel on fire pouring down into the stairwells .. people were burning alive and chose to leap rather than burn up ... the heat was intense.

I think the "rating" was based on a lightly fueled aircraft arriving as opposed to one fueled for take off, so the amount of burning fuel was not considered as a factor from a design/structural point of view.

The attempt in 1993 failed because (I understand) not all charges went off and they were not properly positioned to weaken the supports for the building. In short those implementing the attempt didn't know what they were doing.

[I B Hankering]

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[Whirlaway]

I wish there was a "dislike" button........

We can only have so many "investigations" before a nation gets investigation fatigue. As for myself I think the important questions of 9/11 are settled. I prefer we direct resources on investigations that are meaningful and more immediate.

But heck COG, go right ahead and investigate - maybe you can find an "investigation sugar daddy" to fund the project. George Soros ?

Let us know what you find out, if anything.

BTW....I can't think of a commission that was ever satisfied with their access to information...after all most of these commission are looking backward and trying to reconstruct what happened.....but dissatisfaction isn't proof of a conspiracy, or that the investigation gets it wrong !

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Even the 9-11 Commission was dissatisfied with the limited access they had to information. Why are you jumping on me and Debbie for wanting to know more about what happened? You can take the government's word for it if you want, or we could have a real investigation. We've lost so much freedom under the pretenses of preventing another 9-11, I'd like to know for certain what happened.

[HoustonMilfDebbie]

I listened to both sides and came to my own personal conclusion regarding 911 and other things that are going on in this country. I came to this conclusion after many years of observation. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me because I really don't give a flying f*** if you do or not. I do not believe there ever was a legitimate investigation (or legal one) of 911. If the truth were revealed, it might be so shocking as to cause another civil war in this country.

[want2c]

OK using your logic. Then how or why did the CIA screw up the pentagon crash/bombing?





I'm sure Big Foot will show up at a petting zoo in your world.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by want2c

OK using your logic. Then how or why did the CIA screw up the pentagon crash/bombing?





I'm sure Big Foot will show up at a petting zoo in your world.

The whole 9/11 incident is just to weird. This is an article which claims that a number of the original 19 hijackers are still alive today. If this is indeed true and it could very well be. How does this change the whole 9/11 sequence of events.

Jim


http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/06/91...alive-and-well

[HoustonMilfDebbie]

Originally Posted by want2c

OK using your logic. Then how or why did the CIA screw up the pentagon crash/bombing?





I'm sure Big Foot will show up at a petting zoo in your world.

My personal opinion was someone or some group of "Elites" with power and money used 911 as an excuse to invade Iraq. The investigation done by the White House has many holes. Actual people who saw the plane said it was a U. S. Military plane. How did an enemy get ahold of a military plane? I don't believe that a lot of Americans have seen all the videos posted on Youtube. I've been researching this for a long time. I might be even be arrested for stating my honest opinion. I certainly don't want to be shipped off to a U. S. Prison Labor Camp! If the labor party (the 99 percent) wants to make a statement, then quit paying taxes so that corporations can make double digit profits, while your next door neighbor needs food stamps just to get by! There are Americans out there working minimum wage jobs who are forced to live in tents while these huge corporations and the stock market are making record profits. By the way, a lot of them are families with kids and not drug addicts. So please, let's lose the stereotype about the homeless. It could happen to you.

Another point I would like to gracefully make, if possible, please if you are going to debate politics, stop the name calling. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's what makes a democracy a true decmocracy!

[Jackie S]

Good Lord, what's next? "The moon landings were all staged".

You people a Fukin morons.

Oh, and by the way. The construction of the Empire State Building is entirely different than the Towers. It cannot collapse on it's self the way the towers did.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I don't know the answers. I don't unhealthily obsess over this like you and the other conspiracy bunker clowns do.

I'm pretty sure John Wilkes Booth acted alone...

Fucking idiot.

You are one stupid motherfucker!

From Wikipedia:

The assassination of Lincoln was planned and carried out by the well-known stage actor John Wilkes Booth, as part of a larger conspiracy in a bid to revive the Confederate cause. Booth's three co-conspirators were Lewis Powell and David Herold, who were assigned to kill Secretary of State William H. Seward, and George Atzerodt who was tasked to kill Vice President Andrew Johnson. By simultaneously eliminating the top three people in the administration, Booth and his co-conspirators hoped to sever the continuity of the United States government. Lincoln was shot while watching the play Our American Cousin with his wife Mary Todd Lincoln at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C.. He died early the next morning. The rest of the conspirators' plot failed; Powell only managed to wound Seward, while Atzerodt, Johnson's would-be assassin, lost his nerve and fled.