Welcome to ECCIE, become a part of the fastest growing adult community. Take a minute & sign up!

Welcome to ECCIE - Sign up today!

Become a part of one of the fastest growing adult communities online. We have something for you, whether you’re a male member seeking out new friends or a new lady on the scene looking to take advantage of our many opportunities to network, make new friends, or connect with people. Join today & take part in lively discussions, take advantage of all the great features that attract hundreds of new daily members!

Go Premium

Go Back   ECCIE Worldwide > Texas > Dallas > Coed Discussions - Dallas
test
Coed Discussions - Dallas Both male and female members can mingle and interact here. Let's keep these discussions on-topic, thought-provoking, and more importantly...entertaining!

Most Favorited Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Most Liked Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Top Reviewers
cockalatte 649
MoneyManMatt 490
Still Looking 399
samcruz 399
Jon Bon 398
Harley Diablo 377
honest_abe 362
DFW_Ladies_Man 313
Chung Tran 288
lupegarland 287
nicemusic 285
Starscream66 282
You&Me 281
George Spelvin 270
sharkman29 256
Top Posters
DallasRain70819
biomed163644
Yssup Rider61249
gman4453347
LexusLover51038
offshoredrilling48801
WTF48267
pyramider46370
bambino43221
The_Waco_Kid37399
CryptKicker37228
Mokoa36497
Chung Tran36100
Still Looking35944
Mojojo33117

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-24-2014, 08:00 AM   #16
TinMan
The Grey Knight
 
TinMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 12, 2009
Location: South of the Trinity
Posts: 16,873
Encounters: 131
Default

Darth, search the eccie forums for some discussion of that state law passed last year. I remember several threads (here is one I started). Most of the lawyers contributing to this board seemed to think at the time it was not likely to be impactful to your average hobbyist. I'd be curious if any suits have yet been filed under that law.

Perhaps the same may be said of whatever legislation eventually gets signed into law on the national level. It bears watching, however, since the HT activists seem to be making real headway into getting the feds behind their cause.

Like I said at the outset, that wouldn't bother me so much, but the collateral damage to the rest of us is what has me keeping an eye out for how this develops.
TinMan is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 08:34 AM   #17
ck1942
Meet & Greet Organizer
 
ck1942's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 17, 2009
Location: "Hobbyverse"
Posts: 7,112
Encounters: 181
Default

Tin, thanks for raising the issue's potential.

We (figurative we) have already traveled this road a bit, and I think some of the cases trailing into a few Supreme Court decisions: mainly pornography and human sexuality (consenting adults) activity might show what could happen if feds/states attempt (yes, attempt) to hold websites accountable for what others may post on them.

viz., on-line "prostitution" ads on backpage, craigslist, etc., et. al:

Some well known (or it should be) background:

-- States' attorney generals threats to Craigs List over "prostitution" ads
-- Ditto - backpage.com
-- The bust(s) of BigDoggie and TER, etc. (Albuquerque N.M., aside, different issues at base)

After separating all issues of P4P (prostitution) from trafficking, and note that the P4P transaction$ are not processed by the website itself, one can then consider the existing Federal Communications Decency Act and its related case law.

Essentially the statute (and case law) provides that web sites are not responsible for unlawful material posted by users.

= = = = =
Caution, ck1942 is not a lawyer nor an attorney, so what follows is practical business-related counsel:

None of the above can or will prevent the feds, the states, or subdivision LEOs from attempting to compromise any website or any of a website's users.

Threats of lawsuits, and actual warrants/indictments/arrests have happened and will continue to happen as law enforcement authorities try to show constituents (and media) that they are taking action to curb trafficking and/or "what amounts to open prostitution." Goal of such efforts, of course, is both to impress the public, and, worse, to harass websites (and their owners, operators and users) with both real and prospective financial costs, if not outright arrests.

So, for example, if LE mounts backpage stings, enticing johns, or janes, into successful arrest situation and, if LE succeeds in making those stings stick, and if LE trumpets loud enough those successes, well, continued paid advertising likely may diminish.

No doubt LE could also mount such attacks on national or local sites, too.

= = = = =

All that said, very unlikely much successful LE action will happen on the P4P sites in terms of trying to control the P4P activity. But my bottom line guesstimate is that certain sites and definitely certain users of those sites (think pimps, agencies, spas) will be targeted by LE.

Mounting (grin!) **occasional stings** on backpage is relatively easy.

Definitely media attention getting, which is what LE really wants, in the end.

But that's just my humble opinion.

= = = = =

jmho also that **occasional stings** of on-line sites are just that, occasional, since vice LEOs have other areas on which they must concentrate, such as drugs, underage alcohol, kiddie porn, street prostitution, etc. And, vice must also crank up certain activities to address vocal community concerns, and, also election campaign seasons.

= = = = =

The Communications Decency Act is what tries to criminalize the sending of porn to persons under 18.

Section 230 of the Act (quoting now from wikipedia)

immunizes both ISPs and Internet users from liability for torts committed by others using their website or online forum, even if the provider fails to take action after receiving actual notice of the harmful or offensive content.

and

also protects ISPs from liability for restricting access to certain material or giving others the technical means to restrict access to that material.

Attorneys general asked Congress to remove those provisions and the ACLU objected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act

= = = = =

Some states (Oklahoma for example) have criminalized certain internet (and use of computers, cell phones, etc.) behavior (quoting below from an OK attorney's website)

"The Oklahoma Legislature has created specific provisions pursuant to the “Oklahoma Computer Crimes Act” to combat individuals who use the internet to violate Oklahoma law:

"No person shall communicate with, store data in, or retrieve data from a computer system or computer network for the purpose of using such access to violate any of the provisions of the Oklahoma Statutes.
"Any person convicted of violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment in the State Penitentiary for a term of not more than five (5) years, or by a fine of not more than Five Thousand Dollars ($5,000.00), or by both such imprisonment and fine.
"Furthermore, the Oklahoma Statutes have expanded criminal liability to the use of “computer devices” such as cell phones and other forms of digital communication. As such, the majority of internet sex crimes in Oklahoma are those sex crimes which are accomplished by solicitation."
Some states have enforced these types of statutes, and while I am confident that solicitation conviction, for example, could be successfully appealed in federal court (CDA coverage), most if not all defendants probably lack the financial ability to do so.
ck1942 is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 12:18 PM   #18
Caitie Mae
Upgraded Female Account
 
Caitie Mae's Avatar
 
User ID: 29906
Join Date: Jun 7, 2010
Location: On my knees, usually.
My Bio Page
Posts: 333
My ECCIE Reviews
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShysterJon View Post
Why speculate about the potential consequences of bills that haven't even been signed into law yet?
I would think that the potential for convincing your representative to vote against a bill–preventing the bill from becoming law–is greater than that of having a law repealed after it has been written. Isn't it? Isn't an ineffective law less likely to be rescinded than it is to be allowed to languish on the books when it fails to satisfy its intended purpose? It seems like an inefficacious piece of legislation would be easier to manipulate than one that solves the intended problem. Isn't it?

(Please disregard if the question was rhetorical.)

~sweetness~
Caitie Mae is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 12:33 PM   #19
DarthDVader
Valued Poster
 
DarthDVader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 14, 2013
Location: Citizen of the World
Posts: 1,267
Encounters: 7
Default

Again please explain ... my understanding is that is in full effect in Texas where "we" live? ...
DarthDVader is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 02:51 PM   #20
ck1942
Meet & Greet Organizer
 
ck1942's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 17, 2009
Location: "Hobbyverse"
Posts: 7,112
Encounters: 181
Default

DDV,

yes, the bills were signed into law and are on the books in Texas.

Compelling prostitution is a crime.

"Publishing an ad" about someone who is a victim of compelling prostitution was made a crime in Texas.

imo, regardless of the intent of the legislation, per the federal act cited above, the "publisher" is defined as the website host or the ISP; the state legislation appears to cite the person who posted the ad as the publisher.

Difference being that the ISP/webhost is not one and the same as the person(s) who posted the ad(s).

Again, the above doesn't mean sh*t -- if LE wants to prosecute, they can. But, again, imo, most state judges likely would toss out prosecution of ISPs and of websites, based on the federal act and existing federal case law.

As for Legislators, e.g. politicians putting laws on the books that they know won't survive either state or federal judicial scrutiny.... think recent attempts to bar gay marriage, abortion rights, etc.

= = = = =

imo, doesn't matter where the "publication" happened. The Okie prosecutors have declared that using a phone or a computer to post an ad on backpage in Oklahoma is a crime, even if the web host is not based in Oklahoma nor if the ad was posted while on I-35 south of the Red River.
ck1942 is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 03:30 PM   #21
DarthDVader
Valued Poster
 
DarthDVader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 14, 2013
Location: Citizen of the World
Posts: 1,267
Encounters: 7
Default

Then, I dont understand your comment to not worry Shyster Jon if its already signed in Texas ...

ps .. Im not be a lawyer but I sit in a company's board and Im used to question lawyers ...
DarthDVader is offline   Quote
Old 05-24-2014, 03:38 PM   #22
ck1942
Meet & Greet Organizer
 
ck1942's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 17, 2009
Location: "Hobbyverse"
Posts: 7,112
Encounters: 181
Default

on the books doesn't necessarily mean it will be or can be enforced.

However, on the books means LEOs or prosecutors can and will initiate warrants, arrests, indictments if they need to do so.
ck1942 is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 12:36 AM   #23
ShysterJon
Valued Poster
 
ShysterJon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,834
Encounters: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TinMan View Post
Still, I believe it's worth watching, not ignoring.
I'm not against watching. I'm not for ignoring. I'm against speculating about laws that aren't in effect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitie Mae View Post
I would think that the potential for convincing your representative to vote against a bill–preventing the bill from becoming law–is greater than that of having a law repealed after it has been written. Isn't it?
Are you arguing the best way to lobby a member of Congress is to post on an Eccie thread? That's novel. I think a more effective way would be to contact the member.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthDVader View Post
Then, I dont understand your comment to not worry Shyster Jon if its already signed in Texas ...

ps .. Im not be a lawyer but I sit in a company's board and Im used to question lawyers ...
Well, you must not be used to reading English, because: (1) the title of this thread is "How will proposed national legislation affect Eccie?" Contrary to what you may have heard, Texas is a state, not a nation. (2) It's been mentioned in this thread that the Texas law has been discussed in other threads. Ask somebody to read those threads to you.
ShysterJon is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 01:29 AM   #24
Glenn Quagmire
Lifetime Member
 
Join Date: Jun 6, 2012
Location: Quahog, Rhode Island
Posts: 1,685
Encounters: 8
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitie Mae View Post
I would think that the potential for convincing your representative to vote against a bill–preventing the bill from becoming law–is greater than that of having a law repealed after it has been written. Isn't it? Isn't an ineffective law less likely to be rescinded than it is to be allowed to languish on the books when it fails to satisfy its intended purpose? It seems like an inefficacious piece of legislation would be easier to manipulate than one that solves the intended problem. Isn't it?

(Please disregard if the question was rhetorical.)

~sweetness~

On a similar vein of thinking. So nice for the elegant and intelligent CME to make an appearance. Truly, you were a unique visit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ck1942 View Post
on the books doesn't necessarily mean it will be or can be enforced.

However, on the books means LEOs or prosecutors can and will initiate warrants, arrests, indictments if they need to do so.
And CK takes to to it's logical conclusion.

There is a difference between legislation and enforcement of a law. and the the bill has to be adequately funded to make a difference.

I have no problem if a girl wants to work for an agency, studio, pimp, whatever.. as long as she is free to leave and quit at any time without threat of violence or other intimidation or indentured agreement.
Glenn Quagmire is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 01:33 AM   #25
DarthDVader
Valued Poster
 
DarthDVader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 14, 2013
Location: Citizen of the World
Posts: 1,267
Encounters: 7
Default

Are you one of this type of lawyers that pretend to know everything?
I know your type and believe me, I don't hire them, a waste of time and money ...

Im not a lawyer and I was wanting to learn about the topic, reason why I was asking ...
I was hoping to hear an interesting answer and not your uncalled sarcasm ...

Thanks for the advise ... I will certainly ask a "professional" that is willing to share ...

Have a good day ...



Quote:
Originally Posted by ShysterJon View Post
Well, you must not be used to reading English, because: (1) the title of this thread is "How will proposed national legislation affect Eccie?" Contrary to what you may have heard, Texas is a state, not a nation. (2) It's been mentioned in this thread that the Texas law has been discussed in other threads. Ask somebody to read those threads to you.
DarthDVader is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 02:03 AM   #26
ShysterJon
Valued Poster
 
ShysterJon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,834
Encounters: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthDVader View Post
Are you one of this type of lawyers that pretend to know everything?
I know your type and believe me, I don't hire them, a waste of time and money ...

Im not a lawyer and I was wanting to learn about the topic, reason why I was asking ...
I was hoping to hear an interesting answer and not your uncalled sarcasm ...

Thanks for the advise ... I will certainly ask a "professional" that is willing to share ...

Have a good day ...
Who said I'd work for you, asshole? Why would Latka Gravas need a lawyer, anyway?
ShysterJon is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 03:42 PM   #27
oldbutstillgoing
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Dec 21, 2012
Location: DFW
Posts: 10,698
Encounters: 6
Default

Down boys. Don't detail the thread . SJ that was a funny remark though. Personally, I always thought Latka was far smarter than he let on. Just a very diffrent perspective on life.
oldbutstillgoing is offline   Quote
Old 05-25-2014, 04:20 PM   #28
ShysterJon
Valued Poster
 
ShysterJon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,834
Encounters: 1
Default

I'll try not to detail the thread with uncalled sarcasm.
ShysterJon is offline   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


AMPReviews.net
Find Ladies
Hot Women

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2009 - 2016, ECCIE Worldwide, All Rights Reserved