On Being Kept...

[magicallydelicious]

Thank you all for the information you provided in this thread. As a newbie, found this to be most helpful.

[Guest062114-5]

Actually, I think being kept has more security...in my case at least. Though I don't kid myself and think I can just behave like a bitch and continue to get the perks I get. i think (though I'm not sure) my situation is different from average. I actually work at a regular job, well one that affords me a great deal of flexibility. But my benefactor provides me with more than enough support to not HAVE to work.

I have a nice car, a nice condo, open tabs at my favorite shops and restaurants, a driver on call, and access to a plane when I need it. I work because I love what I do, and it also gives me an excuse to not be his "Beck and Call Girl" which makes the situation much more manageable.

Like Charlotte mentioned, it takes a certain temperament, one I'm glad I have, because my situation affords me a lifestyle I would not otherwise have. I'm also lucky because I manage to have a social life of my own.

I have never done the SD/SB thing, but I know people who have and there always seems to be I clear difference in "power"...but I think Charlotte is correct when she says that being an escort is the most submissive role as any.

I truly don't think my benefactor sees me as submissive. He just truly enjoys giving me things I would have to work very hard to get for myself...but things I could indeed get.

We have a very nice relationship that is mutually beneficial.

[Always Belle]

I agree

Originally Posted by John Bull

The Courtesan's of old were generally not exclusive to one man but were certainly exclusive to the highest echelons of society. I don't think the SB model or certainly not the HDH model would be at all like them.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think that Charlotte's descriptions are accurate, but I think that the number of SBs that can command that kind of $ are pretty rare.
For example, a SB who is taking home 3000/month. Assuming her SD is in at least a 40% bracket (and realistically more like 50%), he would have to earn $5000/ month, or $60,000/year to pay for his sugar. By the same reasoning, the 15,000/mo SB would be equivalent to a $300,000 job. I'm sure there may be some guys who are capable of shelling out that kind of cash for their sugar, but I am guessing they are pretty rare. The same math applies to the kept woman. Sounds like a great job if you can get it.

I can break it down even further. Most of the SB's asking 15-30k a month are doing so due to negotiations taking place. So she asks 30k a month. Is she worth it? Doubtful but give her credit for marketing herself out of a lot of guys range which makes them wonder is she worth it. Yet she is in her mid 30's. Kind of in the end of the age of shelf life for any SB. She will take less than 8k a month if your willing to go that route. Or you can get one younger, hotter, and in most cases for a third to half of that 8k.

As for a kept woman.. Just not my thing. I like diversity. Hell I usually change up SB's every 3 months and the longest I have kept one was 6 months. Some guys like the long term thing. I don't.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Here we go again.
This topic has been beat to death.

There is no difference from past posts.
A hooker will get pissed at what a sugar daddy says, a daddy will get pissed about what a hooker says.

Hooker = call girl, escort, provider, whore, lady of the night, lady of the evening, what ever label you go by today.

There is no security in an SB or being kept. You can get booted out on your ass being either just as easy.

+1

[ValenTX]

I read math where 300,000 disposable income on top of that needed for taking care of normal household maintenance and expenses. I am sure some of those women are worth it but many are not. I would think there are a lot of women in situations where they are fielding 100 specials to keep the rent paid and eat. What about the men who cannot afford huge amounts and are willing to settle for maybe a more average looking lady?

Would it qualify as a sugardaddy/kept relationship if the man were paying say the monthly rent on an apartment with expectations she be available multiple times a week when he gets off work with stayovers on weekends with the woman free the rest of the time to do whatever she wants and earns most of her meals clothing money and savings during her free time.

Not excessive payment for super luxury apt but guarantee she can take a night off without worrying about ending up on the streets.

Does that happen? If a man were interested in something like this how would he approach the woman? If a woman were interested in something like this how would she go about identifying her benefactor and expressing her interest in such a relationship.

I have had some strippers suggest I become their boyfriend. Were they hinting at a relationship along these lines?

[Liliana]

I know a few SBs and [obviously] escorts and not a single one would have a gentleman pay the rent and in return have to be available for weekends and random nights during the week. It's just not worth the return.

[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by Liliana

I know a few SBs and [obviously] escorts and not a single one would have a gentleman pay the rent and in return have to be available for weekends and random nights during the week. It's just not worth the return.

Hooker mentality.

Again, here we go again.

Not worth the price, money money money.
Time with client (Sugar daddy) is not worth the money, apartment, gift etc..

See why these topics dont go well on this site??

I am going to continue to repeat myself as everyone else will.

[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

I can break it down even further. Most of the SB's asking 15-30k a month are doing so due to negotiations taking place. So she asks 30k a month. Is she worth it? Doubtful but give her credit for marketing herself out of a lot of guys range which makes them wonder is she worth it. Yet she is in her mid 30's. Kind of in the end of the age of shelf life for any SB. She will take less than 8k a month if your willing to go that route. Or you can get one younger, hotter, and in most cases for a third to half of that 8k.

As for a kept woman.. Just not my thing. I like diversity. Hell I usually change up SB's every 3 months and the longest I have kept one was 6 months. Some guys like the long term thing. I don't.

Less than one percent of the one percenters would do this.

15-30K a month is Hollywood movie crap where most of the girls that apply to be an SB think they are going to be. On one interview I had a girl take me to a BMW dealer to buy her a new car that day.

Just like the hookers on this board, girls have an illusion of some old guy that doesn't want sex is going to throw packets of money at them because they look great and deserve everything.

When in fact these girls and hookers are out of shape, over weight lazy middle aged or almost women that should have planned better.

I am 45 years old, have a 20 year old mistress/GF (For two years) that my wife knows about. (Think of the rich woman on law and order saying she doesn't care what hobby her husband does and he has had many girls on the side as she chuckles.)

The point I will always make on this board is the girls on this site don't think long term, they think what can they make that night, day, hour.

My girl has been to Japan, China, Germany, England (Business trip, I hate England )as well as a few other places. Not bad for a 20 year old.

These are the girls we look for. She would be dating someone my age or a little younger any way. She likes older guys and hates guys her age.

Stay with the clients and hooking. It works for you and you may never find a sucker in which you are looking for

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Less than one percent of the one percenters would do this.

15-30K a month is Hollywood movie crap where most of the girls that apply to be an SB think they are going to be. On one interview I had a girl take me to a BMW dealer to buy her a new car that day. True. And at least she had cheap taste.

Just like the hookers on this board, girls have an illusion of some old guy that doesn't want sex is going to throw packets of money at them because they look great and deserve everything.Once again true. Plus we all know hookers make shitty SB's

When in fact these girls and hookers are out of shape, over weight lazy middle aged or almost women that should have planned better.Once again true. Except I tend to pick mine from the local college pools. No older than 24, height and weight in proper proportions as per Uncle Sam's guidelines, and nothing less than a D cup.

I am 45 years old, have a 20 year old mistress/GF (For two years) that my wife knows about. (Think of the rich woman on law and order saying she doesn't care what hobby her husband does and he has had many girls on the side as she chuckles.)40 with 3 ex wives here. Prefer to stay single vs make any more alimony payments.

The point I will always make on this board is the girls on this site don't think long term, they think what can they make that night, day, hour. So correct there.

My girl has been to Japan, China, Germany, England (Business trip, I hate England )as well as a few other places. Not bad for a 20 year old.I try and not travel but have taken two to Dubai and one to Tel Aviv

These are the girls we look for. She would be dating someone my age or a little younger any way. She likes older guys and hates guys her age.

Stay with the clients and hooking. It works for you and you may never find a sucker in which you are looking forActually it adds diversity a few hours at a time to the already filled SB slots. Gets boring with just a couple of women for me rather quickly.

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[Gotyour6]

That wasn't all directed at your post.

Quoted it for the first part and then went on a rant =/

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

I can break it down even further. Most of the SB's asking 15-30k a month are doing so due to negotiations taking place. So she asks 30k a month. Is she worth it? Doubtful but give her credit for marketing herself out of a lot of guys range which makes them wonder is she worth it. Yet she is in her mid 30's. Kind of in the end of the age of shelf life for any SB. She will take less than 8k a month if your willing to go that route. Or you can get one younger, hotter, and in most cases for a third to half of that 8k.

As for a kept woman.. Just not my thing. I like diversity. Hell I usually change up SB's every 3 months and the longest I have kept one was 6 months. Some guys like the long term thing. I don't.

NEWS ALERT...a woman is about to agree with Bladtinzu 100%

I think you're completely correct here. I think it is very rare for any woman to get $15-30k a month. And that after negotiation, most fall right into your price range. I know exactly one lady in this situation and coincidentally she is older and, quite frankly, not that hot at all. But everyone seems happy.

And I also agree that many men, if they are spending that much, would like diversity instead of basically tied to another wife.

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Hooker mentality.

Again, here we go again.

Not worth the price, money money money.
Time with client (Sugar daddy) is not worth the money, apartment, gift etc..

See why these topics dont go well on this site??

I am going to continue to repeat myself as everyone else will.

This is essentially what Charlotte and I were referring to when we said that being kept takes a certain mentality that most don't have.

Many women go into hooking because they are attracted to quick cash and no strings attached sex. So of course they aren't going to have the patience for maintaining a long term relationship and catering to one man.

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by ValenTX

I read math where 300,000 disposable income on top of that needed for taking care of normal household maintenance and expenses. I am sure some of those women are worth it but many are not. I would think there are a lot of women in situations where they are fielding 100 specials to keep the rent paid and eat. What about the men who cannot afford huge amounts and are willing to settle for maybe a more average looking lady?

Would it qualify as a sugardaddy/kept relationship if the man were paying say the monthly rent on an apartment with expectations she be available multiple times a week when he gets off work with stayovers on weekends with the woman free the rest of the time to do whatever she wants and earns most of her meals clothing money and savings during her free time.

Not excessive payment for super luxury apt but guarantee she can take a night off without worrying about ending up on the streets.

Does that happen? If a man were interested in something like this how would he approach the woman? If a woman were interested in something like this how would she go about identifying her benefactor and expressing her interest in such a relationship.

I have had some strippers suggest I become their boyfriend. Were they hinting at a relationship along these lines?

My friend calls this situation having a hooker on retainer. They rarely workout because both parties are still counting the time and trying to get their money's The site SeekingArrangement is for arranging these situations.

Those strippers were trying to get as much money from you as possible with doing as little as possible for it.

That said, I know many ladies who are NOT providers and have jobs, but have a gentleman pay some of their bills. It starts out with a guy offering to buy something like a car or help with a certain bill. Then as things progress, and both parties become more comfortable and closer, the gentleman gives more and more. Being kept, in my experience, is a gradual process that just happens. Most men expect exclusivity and would not put up with a woman being a hooker on the side. They consider the lady their girlfriend.

My friends with Sugar Babies are usually actively seeking them out.

[John Bull]

Originally Posted by ValenTX

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Would it qualify as a sugardaddy/kept relationship if the man were paying say the monthly rent on an apartment with expectations she be available multiple times a week when he gets off work with stayovers on weekends with the woman free the rest of the time to do whatever she wants and earns most of her meals clothing money and savings during her free time.

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That would not only qualify but is being done all over the country in several permutations. The SB is often told that she can live in the apt so long as the relationship exists and she follows the rules - whatever they are and whatever was agreed upon. Break the rules...out you go! Length of time is variable with whatever is agreed upon.
Sometimes there are other perks, sometimes not. Sometimes she's a living doll, sometimes she just meets some quirk the SD has about sexiness.