19 Trees "Alert" Thread / Resignation Story... Inquiring Minds want to know.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Codybeast

Why are they bold enough to approach Whispers about this abuse, making you the designated accuser on their behalf yet won't offer so much as a two word "It's true" confirmation?

Well... maybe for the same reason a good reporter gets sought out with information.

Because they know I won't just ignore it and if others have similar stories and it is interesting I'll dig into it and if I decide to post it there are enough people that DO tend to trust what I have to say that "some" will believe it.

Only a very small percentage of people that read and advertise here ever post here. If they did with something like this they would immediately be attacked and ridiculed as having no credibility as compared to 19Trees

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Codybeast

The question is as a retired mod moving to NY does Trees really have the ability to influence any provider's ability to survive here? Logic would dictate otherwise.

I agree..... Keep in mind that we are all probably aware that there are other members here today that do the same thing.

The difference HERE is that he WAS a MOD.....

If it's out that even though he WAS a MOD that something like this WILL make it to the community and NOT get swept under the rug then perhaps the next time someone will say something sooner.

MODs need to be held to hire standards and YES, I believe even AFTEr they step down if it is found they were doing something they shouldn't it should come out.

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I agree..... Keep in mind that we are all probably aware that there are other members here today that do the same thing.

The difference HERE is that he WAS a MOD.....

If it's out that even though he WAS a MOD that something like this WILL make it to the community and NOT get swept under the rug then perhaps the next time someone will say something sooner.

MODs need to be held to hire standards and YES, I believe even AFTEr they step down if it is found they were doing something they shouldn't it should come out.

So then the actual purpose of this thread was to keep other existing and future mods in line?

If so, I'm sorry to say that in 3-6 months when this is old news another mod could do the exact same thing and pull it off just a successfully because as you know there is a constantly revolving door of new uninformed girls passing through.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Codybeast

....I'm sorry to say that in 3-6 months when this is old news another mod could do the exact same thing and pull it off just a successfully because as you know there is a constantly revolving door of new uninformed girls passing through.

True.... But.... Others might remember AT the time it is occurring that it DID come out rather than getting swept under the rug and bring it forward then rather than being afraid to....

There USED to be a term used pretty frequently in regards to a MODs actions being "transparent".....

[harkontume]

Originally Posted by Bloated Love Knuckle

Hey barkingundertrees why would anyone consider anything you say? You do realize talking shit about folks unable to defend themselves is chickenshit. Who would trust the opinion of such a coward?

true bloatedlugchuckle
you are correct..
Didnt notice that riskersnick was Banned.

[19Trees]

Trees has great respect for all Members, Bob Hobby and Jane provider. Those seasoned. Newbies too. Have always accorded respect, kindness and generosity and remained deferential to the decisions made by providers whether Trees liked it. Or not.

What Whispers has done is publish unsupportable lies. Hearsay without underlying truth or substance. Trees has never once had a 2 or 3 hour session with any provider. Whispers making things up. If any hobbyist were to abuse provider's time, s/he would not be invited back. It takes about 19 minutes of BCD (sometimes less, frown) for two willing/motivated/skilled/paid (or paying) peeps to get to happy ending. Multi hour meetings are both unnecessary, wasteful and would blur line between the P4P model and look more like civvie relationship. Trees does not have one civvie-type relationship with any provider. It was attempted once with a roommate experiment gone-sour from which Trees emerged with wisdom never to do that again.

Whispers has gone through very some very difficult periods and has obviously emerged embittered, jealous and feeling trapped inside his own controlling-abusive relationship with bevvy of stripper girlfriends and stripper wives. His tactics of using extreme control well known within the circle of peeps that know this man. These are the sour grapes of a sickly obsessed man with regrets.

Trees never once abused the status of mod. Trees never once made an appointment that was not kept and every appointment was cherished opportunity to connect with another kind human being. Trees spent over $20K in the process which has been shared liberally and with respect. One at a time. With or without a review. All reviews published were to the best of Trees ability, accurate and fair. This is the reason, Trees believes and hopes that strong reputation for fairness and kindness will endure notwithstanding Whispers lies.

Whispers is a grotesquely obese man whose best years are behind him, and these rants evidence the anger and resentment of a sick man.

Thankfully Trees best years lie ahead and will continue to be as kind and generous and fair - - and just hold the nose when Whispers spews more unsupportable bullshit.

Thanks to every Bob Hobby and Jane Provider for meeting with, communicating with and sharing with Trees. Trees moderated fairly and honestly with integrity and to the best of Trees ability.

19Trees

[David.Douchehurst]

Hell! Ah got an idea how we can settle this dispute! Who's wid me!

[VictoriaLyn]

Originally Posted by 19Trees

Trees never once abused the status of mod.

I dont know about the current claims but I have seen Trees as a mod break posting rules ...May not be abuse but did not set a good example in any way ..all it said was ..hey a mods doing it why cant I?

Mods are here to enforce rules not break them no matter how small or stupid the rule is....

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by 19Trees

What Whispers has done is publish unsupportable lies. Hearsay without underlying truth or substance. Trees has never once had a 2 or 3 hour session with any provider. Whispers making things up. If any hobbyist were to abuse provider's time, s/he would not be invited back. It takes about 19 minutes of BCD (sometimes less, frown) for two willing/motivated/skilled/paid (or paying) peeps to get to happy ending. Multi hour meetings are both unnecessary, wasteful and would blur line between the P4P model and look more like civvie relationship. Trees does not have one civvie-type relationship with any provider. It was attempted once with a roommate experiment gone-sour from which Trees emerged with wisdom never to do that again.

19Trees

OK Whispers

Trees has just called your hand. Unless you can come up with at least one Ace in the hole (= One witness) it will look like you're clearly bluffing. The pot is on the table so use some of that influence to get at least one of these ladies to vouch for your claim. It's the least they can do. If they are non confrontational then simply get the OK to disclose their alias so others can PM privately for confirmation.

Their complete silence and lack of involvement means either they don't give a shit about leaving you hanging with egg on face or there simply are no witnesses to begin with.

Not siding with either of you but so far Trees is ahead having at least one provider vouching for him while none will openly support your claim after going to bat for them.

The whole "news reporter protecting his sources" analogy just doesn't fly. These aren't witnesses to some mafia execution who are afraid for their lives, families or jobs.

Their silence makes zero sense now that Trees is calling you out for any proof to your story.

[19Trees]

Trees regrets including links to porn (when actively advertising providers who were former pornstars). It's an odd rule that an internet hooker board disallows links to porn, but Trees should have respected those nonetheless.

Trees posts meant to inform, not to flout rules we enforce. Trees made mistakes (over posting) and quickly moved to remove or correct any over or mis post made. If there are pics that violate any image-rules (?) mods may remove them or request Trees does so. Never has such a request been made.

Trees was not perfect and like any human had flaws and made mistakes. That said, Trees approached every provider, every Bob Hobby, every post and every review with integrity and good intention.

19Trees

[VictoriaLyn]

I was talking more of posted pictures not links to porn.
There is at least one still pin public view

[Bloated Love Knuckle]

I'm stepping forward as one of the pm's Whispers got. What he has said is exactally the way I heard it went down. In addition it was several ladies whom complained. This was levied to a mod,then kicked directly to St.Chris. they acted swiftly removing him as mod. I am in another city and heard the same thing,how does that occur? How is that into known before Trees it not true? His explanations have been poorly fabricated. Why did he then go on a WK crusade for Capri,she herself admitted what she had done saying I don't give a fuck? I say he's trying to look better to the ladies. Why?

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by Bloated Love Knuckle

I'm stepping forward as one of the pm's Whispers got. What he has said is exactally the way I heard it went down. In addition it was several ladies whom complained. This was levied to a mod,then kicked directly to St.Chris. they acted swiftly removing him as mod. I am in another city and heard the same thing,how does that occur? How is that into known before Trees it not true? His explanations have been poorly fabricated. Why did he then go on a WK crusade for Capri,she herself admitted what she had done saying I don't give a fuck? I say he's trying to look better to the ladies. Why?

Unless you're one of the complaining ladies you have nothing to step forward with. Other monger friends siding with him does not a witness make.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Codybeast

Their silence makes zero sense now that Trees is calling you out for any proof to your story.

Their silence makes all the sense in the world to them. Just as it does to a woman abused mentally or physically by a boyfriend, husband or Pimp.

I don't know if anyone will step up.

All I have done here is brought something that was being talked about off the board onto the board and just like there. everyone that bothers to read it can make their own judgements.

I don't believe that people do not care.

I do believe that there are those here that WILL argue this point opposite to mine simply because they tend to disagree on everything I ever post.

In the end. it will come that I simply don't care.

Trees wants refer to the fact that I am an Old and Fat Man and that this is all some personal thing for me yet I have never had a personal issue with Trees. If I wanted to rant and discredit someone there are those here I would have much more reason to do so.

Trees wants to come across as noble and above reproach but when he has nothing to argue with he fabricates information and gets personal. In my opinion the sign of a truly weak minded person.

Believe what you will. Time will tell if anyone else steps up or if it simply stands there on it's own.

[Codybeast]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Their silence makes all the sense in the world to them. Just as it does to a woman abused mentally or physically by a boyfriend, husband or Pimp.
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That's where it gets iffy. He is merely an ex client uninvolved in their day to day personal lives unlike an abusive boyfriend, husband or Pimp is. He can't harm them nor does the nature of the crime give them any reason to think he would.

He is just another ex monger who stiffed them and I would think that would leave any provider pissed and ready for pay back.

The abusive relationship theory doesn't work in a monger stiffed provider situation.