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08-13-2013, 12:33 PM
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Fascinating book on Hillary's time in Watergate
Lifelong democrat and one of Hillary's boss during Watergate wrote a book last year that is getting another look. Jerry Zeifman dismissed Hillary soon after the resignation of Nixon and without a recommendation. He only did that three times in his 17 year DC career. He cites her dishonesty, unethical practices, and violation of constitutional protections as some of the reasons for this damning indictment.
http://1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.b...llary-for.html
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08-13-2013, 12:48 PM
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fascinating in what respect ?
a 40 year old account of her actions wont have any measureable effect on her political career any more than Benghazi did ?
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08-13-2013, 01:47 PM
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Oh, you didn't read the book. It goes up into the 1990s and a little beyond.
I have given it some thought. I like politics but hate that things that have to be done behind the scenes to win. However, given that all this is available and has never been prosecuted, if the GOP leadership were smart they would put their information together and forward it to Hillary. The implication is clear. If you proceed then we will begin a belated investigation and bring charges. If you do win the election your administration will be so involved with defending Hillary they nothing will get done other than more GOP victories in the house and senate. The GOP may not succeed in convicting Hillary but they could leverage the bad press into political victories.
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08-13-2013, 02:03 PM
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This bullshit has been around forever. There was a fair amount of discussion about it from Obama supporters in 2008.
Old news. Nothing to see here.
It will be like this until November 2016. Every single nonsensical accusation, both real and imagined, relating to the Clintons will be rehashed by chuckleheads like the Professor.
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08-13-2013, 02:42 PM
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Oh, you didn't read the book. It goes up into the 1990s and a little beyond.
I have given it some thought. I like politics but hate that things that have to be done behind the scenes to win. However, given that all this is available and has never been prosecuted, if the GOP leadership were smart they would put their information together and forward it to Hillary. The implication is clear. If you proceed then we will begin a belated investigation and bring charges. If you do win the election your administration will be so involved with defending Hillary they nothing will get done other than more GOP victories in the house and senate. The GOP may not succeed in convicting Hillary but they could leverage the bad press into political victories.
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nope sure didn't ... did you read Clintons poll numbers after the Benghazi bs?
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08-13-2013, 10:20 PM
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nope sure didn't ... did you read Clintons poll numbers after the Benghazi bs?
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agree, see my signature lines, if the US voters could not see the bull shit that shoved down our throats in the last 2 elections we never will. What hillary has done is only 1/10th of what obama has done and he still gets elected
cb17 is the perfect example, his stupidity has been proven many times but guess who he supports
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08-13-2013, 11:22 PM
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agree, see my signature lines, if the US voters could not see the bull shit that shoved down our throats in the last 2 elections we never will. What hillary has done is only 1/10th of what obama has done and he still gets elected
cb17 is the perfect example, his stupidity has been proven many times but guess who he supports
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and Obie still got elected twice, and next in line is Hildabeast
bla bla bla ... you got nothing. Go blow IB
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08-14-2013, 12:42 AM
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Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Do I have to say more? The result of one book.
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08-14-2013, 01:37 AM
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agree, see my signature lines, if the US voters could not see the bull shit that shoved down our throats in the last 2 elections we never will. What hillary has done is only 1/10th of what obama has done and he still gets elected
cb17 is the perfect example, his stupidity has been proven many times but guess who he supports
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fucking idiot...
YOU (and fucking idiots like you) are the reason Republicans don't, can't and won't take the White House.
Crybaby pussy!
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08-14-2013, 09:27 PM
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agree, see my signature lines, if the US voters could not see the bull shit that shoved down our throats in the last 2 elections we never will. What hillary has done is only 1/10th of what obama has done and he still gets elected
cb17 is the perfect example, his stupidity has been proven many times but guess who he supports
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and Obie still got elected twice, and next in line is Hildabeast
bla bla bla ... you got nothing. Go blow IB
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fucking idiot...
YOU (and fucking idiots like you) are the reason Republicans don't, can't and won't take the White House.
Crybaby pussy!
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read the first word in my reply
agree
just shows how stupid the donkeys are
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08-14-2013, 09:31 PM
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read the first word in my reply
agree
just shows how stupid the donkeys are
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what do you agree with
nope sure didn't or Clintons poll numbers after Benghazi?
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08-17-2013, 02:11 PM
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If this is the kind of sleaze we elect, we are in Big Time Trouble.
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Chapter 1
Hillary as I new her in 1974
At the time of Watergate I had overall supervisory authority over the House Judiciary Committee’s Impeachment Inquiry staff that included Hillary Rodham -- who was later to become First Lady in the Clinton White House. During that period I kept a private diary of the behind the scenes congressional activities. My original tape recordings of the diary and other materials related to the Nixon impeachment provided the basis for my prior book Without Honor and are now available for inspection in the George Washington University Library.
After President Nixon’s resignation a young lawyer who shared an office with Hillary, confided in me that he was dismayed by her erroneous legal opinions and efforts to deny Nixon representation by counsel -- as well as an unwillingness to investigate Nixon. In my diary of August 12, 1974 I noted the following:
John Labovitz apologized to me for the fact that months ago he and Hillary had lied to me [to conceal rules changes and dilatory tactics.] Labovitz said. “That came from Yale.” I said “You mean Burke Marshall [Senator Ted Kennedy’s chief political strategist, with whom Hillary regularly consulted in violation of House rules.] Labovitz said, “Yes.” His apology was significant to me, not because it was a revelation but because of his contrition.
At that time Hillary Rodham was 27 years old, She had obtained a position on our committee staff through the political patronage of her former Yale law school professor Burke Marshall and Senator Ted Kennedy. Eventually, because of a number of her unethical practices I decided that I could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public or private trust.
Her patron, Burke Marshal, had previously been Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights under Robert Kennedy. During the Kennedy administration Washington insiders jokingly characterized him as the Chief counsel to the Irish Mafia. After becoming a Yale professor he also became Senator Ted Kennedy’s lawyer at the time of Chappaquidick -- as well as Kennedy’s chief political strategist. As a result, some his colleagues often described him as the Attorney General in waiting of the Camelot government in exile.
In addition to getting Hillary a job on the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff,
Kennedy and Marshall had also persuaded Rodino to place two other close friends of Marshall in top positions on our staff. One was John Doar; who had been Marshall’s deputy in the Justice Department – whom Rodino appointed to head the impeachment inquiry staff. The other was Bernard Nussbaum, who had served as Assistant U.S. Attorney in New York – who was placed in charge of conducting the actual investigation of Nixon’s malfeasance.
Marshall, Doar, Nussbaum, and Rodham had two hidden objectives regarding the conduct of the impeachment proceedings. First, in order to enhance the prospect of Senator Kennedy or another liberal Democrat being elected president in 1976 they hoped to keep Nixon in office “twisting in the wind” for as long as possible. This would prevent then-Vice President Jerry Ford from becoming President and restoring moral authority to the Republican Party.
As was later quoted in the biography of Tip O’Neill (by John Farrell) a liberal Democrat would have become a “shoe in for the presidency in 1976” if had Nixon been kept in office until the end of his term. However, both Tip O’Neil and I -- as well as most Democrats regarded it to be in the national interest to replace Nixon with Ford as soon as possible. As a result. as described by O’Neill we coordinated our efforts to “keep Rodino’s feet to the fire.”
A second objective of the strategy of delay was to avoid a Senate Impeachment trial in which as a defense Nixon might disclose and assert that Kennedy had authorized far worse abuses of power than Nixon’s effort to “cover up” the Watergate burglary (which Nixon had not authorized known about in advance. In short, the crimes of Kennedy included the use of the Mafia to attempt to assassinate Castro, as well as the successful assassinations of Diem in Vietnam and Lumumba in the Congo.
After hiring Hillary, Doar assigned her to confer with me regarding rules of procedure for the impeachment inquiry. At my first meeting with her I told her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader “Tip” O'Neill, Parliamentarian Lou Deschler. And I had previously all agreed that we should rely only on the then existing House Rules, and not advocate any changes. I also quoted Tip O'Neill's statement that: "To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series."
Hillary assured me that she had not drafted, and would not advocate, any such rules changes. However, as documented in my personal diary I soon learned that she had lied. She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them. In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. In so doing she simply ignored the fact that in the committee’s then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.
I had also informed Hillary that the Douglas impeachment files were available for public inspection in the committee offices. She later removed the Douglas files without my permission and carried them to the offices of the impeachment inquiry staff -- where they were no longer accessible to the public.
Hillary had also made other flawed procedural recommendations, arguing that the Judiciary Committee should: not hold any hearings with – or take depositions of -- any live witnesses; not conduct any original investigation of Watergate, bribery, tax evasion, or any other possible impeachable offense of President Nixon; and should rely solely on documentary evidence compiled by other committees and by the Justice Departments special Watergate prosecutor .
Only a few far left Democrats supported Hillary’s recommendations. A majority of the committee agreed to allow President Nixon to be represented by counsel and to hold hearings with live witnesses. Hillary then advocated that the official rules of the House be amended to deny members of the committee the right to question witnesses. This recommendation was voted down by the full House. The committee also rejected her proposal that we leave the drafting of the articles of impeachment to her and her fellow impeachment inquiry staffers.
It was not until two months after Nixon's resignation that we first learned of still another questionable role of Hillary. On Sept. 26, 1974, Rep. Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the committee, wrote to ask Chairman Rodino to look into “a troubling set of events.” That spring, Wiggins and other committee members had asked "that research should be undertaken so as to furnish a standard against which to test the alleged abusive conduct of Richard Nixon." And, while "no such staff study was made available to the members at any time for their use," Wiggins had just learned that such a study had been conducted - at committee expense - by a team of professors who completed and filed their reports with the impeachment-inquiry staff well in advance of our public hearings.
The report was kept secret frommembers of Congress. But after the impeachment-inquiry staff was disbanded, it was published commercially and sold in book stores. Wiggins wrote: “I am especially troubled by the possibility that information deemed essential by some of the members in their discharge of their responsibilities may have been intentionally suppressed by the staff during the course our investigation." He was also concerned that staff members may have unlawfully received royalties from the book’s publisher.
On Oct. 3, Rodino wrote back: "Hillary Rodham of the impeachment-inquiry staff coordinated the work. The staff did not think the manuscript was useful in its present form." No effort was ever made to ascertain whether or not Hillary or any other person on the committee staff received royalties.
Two decades later Bill Clinton became President. As was later described in the Wall Street Journal by Henry Ruth, the lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor, “The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party.”
Although I remained a Democrat, I was in complete agreement with Henry Ruth. I served as pro bono counsel and investigator for Congressman Bob Barr (R GA), who was one of the managers of the House Judiciary Committee in the Senate trial of Clinton’s impeachment proceedings in the Senate trial.
The following chapters document the details of various scandals in which Hillary Clinton played a personal and unethical role during the eight years in which she had a an office in the West wing of the Clinton White House
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08-17-2013, 02:35 PM
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If this is the kind of sleaze we elect, we are in Big Time Trouble.
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Chapter 1
Hillary as I new her in 1974
At the time of Watergate I had overall supervisory authority over the House Judiciary Committee’s Impeachment Inquiry staff that included Hillary Rodham -- who was later to become First Lady in the Clinton White House. During that period I kept a private diary of the behind the scenes congressional activities. My original tape recordings of the diary and other materials related to the Nixon impeachment provided the basis for my prior book Without Honor and are now available for inspection in the George Washington University Library.
After President Nixon’s resignation a young lawyer who shared an office with Hillary, confided in me that he was dismayed by her erroneous legal opinions and efforts to deny Nixon representation by counsel -- as well as an unwillingness to investigate Nixon. In my diary of August 12, 1974 I noted the following:
John Labovitz apologized to me for the fact that months ago he and Hillary had lied to me [to conceal rules changes and dilatory tactics.] Labovitz said. “That came from Yale.” I said “You mean Burke Marshall [Senator Ted Kennedy’s chief political strategist, with whom Hillary regularly consulted in violation of House rules.] Labovitz said, “Yes.” His apology was significant to me, not because it was a revelation but because of his contrition.
At that time Hillary Rodham was 27 years old, She had obtained a position on our committee staff through the political patronage of her former Yale law school professor Burke Marshall and Senator Ted Kennedy. Eventually, because of a number of her unethical practices I decided that I could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public or private trust.
Her patron, Burke Marshal, had previously been Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights under Robert Kennedy. During the Kennedy administration Washington insiders jokingly characterized him as the Chief counsel to the Irish Mafia. After becoming a Yale professor he also became Senator Ted Kennedy’s lawyer at the time of Chappaquidick -- as well as Kennedy’s chief political strategist. As a result, some his colleagues often described him as the Attorney General in waiting of the Camelot government in exile.
In addition to getting Hillary a job on the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff,
Kennedy and Marshall had also persuaded Rodino to place two other close friends of Marshall in top positions on our staff. One was John Doar; who had been Marshall’s deputy in the Justice Department – whom Rodino appointed to head the impeachment inquiry staff. The other was Bernard Nussbaum, who had served as Assistant U.S. Attorney in New York – who was placed in charge of conducting the actual investigation of Nixon’s malfeasance.
Marshall, Doar, Nussbaum, and Rodham had two hidden objectives regarding the conduct of the impeachment proceedings. First, in order to enhance the prospect of Senator Kennedy or another liberal Democrat being elected president in 1976 they hoped to keep Nixon in office “twisting in the wind” for as long as possible. This would prevent then-Vice President Jerry Ford from becoming President and restoring moral authority to the Republican Party.
As was later quoted in the biography of Tip O’Neill (by John Farrell) a liberal Democrat would have become a “shoe in for the presidency in 1976” if had Nixon been kept in office until the end of his term. However, both Tip O’Neil and I -- as well as most Democrats regarded it to be in the national interest to replace Nixon with Ford as soon as possible. As a result. as described by O’Neill we coordinated our efforts to “keep Rodino’s feet to the fire.”
A second objective of the strategy of delay was to avoid a Senate Impeachment trial in which as a defense Nixon might disclose and assert that Kennedy had authorized far worse abuses of power than Nixon’s effort to “cover up” the Watergate burglary (which Nixon had not authorized known about in advance. In short, the crimes of Kennedy included the use of the Mafia to attempt to assassinate Castro, as well as the successful assassinations of Diem in Vietnam and Lumumba in the Congo.
After hiring Hillary, Doar assigned her to confer with me regarding rules of procedure for the impeachment inquiry. At my first meeting with her I told her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader “Tip” O'Neill, Parliamentarian Lou Deschler. And I had previously all agreed that we should rely only on the then existing House Rules, and not advocate any changes. I also quoted Tip O'Neill's statement that: "To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series."
Hillary assured me that she had not drafted, and would not advocate, any such rules changes. However, as documented in my personal diary I soon learned that she had lied. She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them. In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. In so doing she simply ignored the fact that in the committee’s then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.
I had also informed Hillary that the Douglas impeachment files were available for public inspection in the committee offices. She later removed the Douglas files without my permission and carried them to the offices of the impeachment inquiry staff -- where they were no longer accessible to the public.
Hillary had also made other flawed procedural recommendations, arguing that the Judiciary Committee should: not hold any hearings with – or take depositions of -- any live witnesses; not conduct any original investigation of Watergate, bribery, tax evasion, or any other possible impeachable offense of President Nixon; and should rely solely on documentary evidence compiled by other committees and by the Justice Departments special Watergate prosecutor .
Only a few far left Democrats supported Hillary’s recommendations. A majority of the committee agreed to allow President Nixon to be represented by counsel and to hold hearings with live witnesses. Hillary then advocated that the official rules of the House be amended to deny members of the committee the right to question witnesses. This recommendation was voted down by the full House. The committee also rejected her proposal that we leave the drafting of the articles of impeachment to her and her fellow impeachment inquiry staffers.
It was not until two months after Nixon's resignation that we first learned of still another questionable role of Hillary. On Sept. 26, 1974, Rep. Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the committee, wrote to ask Chairman Rodino to look into “a troubling set of events.” That spring, Wiggins and other committee members had asked "that research should be undertaken so as to furnish a standard against which to test the alleged abusive conduct of Richard Nixon." And, while "no such staff study was made available to the members at any time for their use," Wiggins had just learned that such a study had been conducted - at committee expense - by a team of professors who completed and filed their reports with the impeachment-inquiry staff well in advance of our public hearings.
The report was kept secret frommembers of Congress. But after the impeachment-inquiry staff was disbanded, it was published commercially and sold in book stores. Wiggins wrote: “I am especially troubled by the possibility that information deemed essential by some of the members in their discharge of their responsibilities may have been intentionally suppressed by the staff during the course our investigation." He was also concerned that staff members may have unlawfully received royalties from the book’s publisher.
On Oct. 3, Rodino wrote back: "Hillary Rodham of the impeachment-inquiry staff coordinated the work. The staff did not think the manuscript was useful in its present form." No effort was ever made to ascertain whether or not Hillary or any other person on the committee staff received royalties.
Two decades later Bill Clinton became President. As was later described in the Wall Street Journal by Henry Ruth, the lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor, “The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party.”
Although I remained a Democrat, I was in complete agreement with Henry Ruth. I served as pro bono counsel and investigator for Congressman Bob Barr (R GA), who was one of the managers of the House Judiciary Committee in the Senate trial of Clinton’s impeachment proceedings in the Senate trial.
The following chapters document the details of various scandals in which Hillary Clinton played a personal and unethical role during the eight years in which she had a an office in the West wing of the Clinton White House
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until Hildabeast starts a war based on lies, driven by fear, that sent 4000 soldiers to the grave, and cost American taxpayers $15 billion dollars a month, sleaze doesn't apply.
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08-17-2013, 05:48 PM
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Of course CJ7 didn't read the book - he's a libtard. He is incapable of reading words that are longer than 3 characters and lacks comprehension.
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Oh, you didn't read the book. It goes up into the 1990s and a little beyond.
I have given it some thought. I like politics but hate that things that have to be done behind the scenes to win. However, given that all this is available and has never been prosecuted, if the GOP leadership were smart they would put their information together and forward it to Hillary. The implication is clear. If you proceed then we will begin a belated investigation and bring charges. If you do win the election your administration will be so involved with defending Hillary they nothing will get done other than more GOP victories in the house and senate. The GOP may not succeed in convicting Hillary but they could leverage the bad press into political victories.
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08-17-2013, 05:51 PM
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Hildabeast VOTED for the IRAQ war and even argued for it to get support - that we had to take Saddam Hussein down citing that the intelligence she saw was the same that her husband used. Lastly, Hillary was the worst Secretary of State so far and left relations with other countries worse after 2008. She couldn't take care of her husband and she sure didn't care for her country!
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until Hildabeast starts a war based on lies, driven by fear, that sent 4000 soldiers to the grave, and cost American taxpayers $15 billion dollars a month, sleaze doesn't apply.
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