Now hiring for Sugar Daddy:)

[`flip]

I’ve read though this whole thread and have seen a lot of arguing, name calling, etc…

I’ve been in 4 SD/SB relationships 2 of which were with what can be termed as professional sugar babies and the other 2 were from the hobby. The first 3 relationships were all terminated by me however it was not because I was bored with them or I found something better. It was simply because the SB didn’t follow the rules (IN OUR ARRANGEMENT). No one person will have the same arrangement, so I see nothing wrong with any argument I have read from anyone in this thread.
If a SD would prefer his SB to be a professional SB and not a lady that worked in the hobby that’s his / her right HOWEVER they have no right to talk on someone else’s arrangements or what works for them.

Me personally I live a very full and fast paced life. I don’t play in the hobby or in SD / SB relationships because I have to, I’m not unattractive however I wouldn’t say I was a model either. What I’m saying is if I put in the time I have no problem getting laid. With that being said I would much rather spend my time doing things I enjoy rather than chasing ass at the club. I have a very demanding sex drive and want what I want how I want it. I will be very honest about that. If I am going to be in a relationship or an arrangement those needs for me personally must be met. All of my arrangements were exclusive live in arrangements. This is what I was looking for; this however doesn’t mean that someone can’t be okay with the “see other people clause”. Just means for me that doesn’t work.

My last arrangement was with a lady I met in the hobby, we had a great relationship going and had she not passed away last February I’m more that positive that it would still be going strong. As I stated I met her in the hobby and chose to see her very frequently over that time we really became close and that’s when I approached her about this. So IMHO, it’s up to the individual based on chemistry and compatibility. Some would say well she’s just after the money and my answer to that is SO F***’in what. That would make her no more money grubbing than me, and I respect that. I guess if I had to worry about my bottom line my opinion would be different, however I wouldn’t force my opinion in a heated debate..
My 2 pennys. Love it, Hate it, throw in in the trash. Don’t really care

[Guest050715-1]

Flip, that is EXACTLY what I was saying. Why it would make someone / people angry coming from a woman is beyond me. It's a YMMV thing for me. The one client thing made no sense to me, but those that do more power to them. I also don't agree with the no sole support thing, but who am I to say what OTHERS should or should not to.

[JONBALLS]

Originally Posted by Novatx

Sounds great ! I want one too

FUCK!

i shoulda stayed in school!!

DAYYY! YAMM!

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Woody thinks I'm the most dangerous type women he's ever met even so he and I've never met.

If we haven't met then how come you know men like me come and go?

The reason you are dangerous is you are an extremely skilled liar. I gave the example of how you condemn bragging about wealth and then brag about wealth. I say Sydney was wrong about the rising popularity of sugar babies, and you say, "Sydney was the master of the game." What does that have to with anything?

There are other names for what you do Olivia: misrepresenting another's point of view, creating straw men, saying you hate X and then doing X, but one word sums it all up, lying.

But when you lie Olivia, you hide it under the term "a difference of opinion". It reminds me of the one time I caught a guy stealing just days after he told me that he hated thieves. When I said, "I thought you hated thieves." He said, "I do. You just never considered I hate myself." That is a line you would be proud of Olivia.

And stealing is called "playing the game". That reminds me of when I last saw my old SB. She had two black eyes and had a story about what had happened, but I knew the truth. Everyone I knew whom she had lied to and stolen from wanted to beat her up including me and finally someone turned that desire into action. That is the part of "the game" you want to keep hidden from those whom you are advising Olivia: the black eyes.

And you don't get what GY6 is so angry about? Why doesn't that surprise me?

The thing that gets me about people like you Olivia is that after all the shifting arguments it ends with all the same old boring egotistical proclamation ," I am great and you suck" just like you did here.

Thing I have noticed about people who think of themselves as having game and being players is that they are the ones most likely to be played themselves. If I were into it, my strategy would be to pat their ego right before shaking them down. The narcissists are the easiest marks.

I can't think of a better example though as to why the sugar baby model has thrived and the HDH model has crashed and burned. One involves image manipulation (AKA lying) and playing the game (AKA stealing) and the other involves mutalism, friendship, and trust.

Sydney was promoting the HDH model like someone promoting CDs the year Napster came out. You are doing it three years post Napster. Nothing like a dinosaur giving out advice on how to not be extinct.

[PleasantSurprise]

Jon I can see you already... of all the skin to lick, you want the area underneath the material huh.

I can't get my eyes peeled from that pinched off region, they're officially glued to the screen. Are you going to relocate the material with your hands, teeth, or tongue? And the picture is making me wet. Time to get off here, the computer that is. Damn I keep scrolling up and down.

Originally Posted by JONBALLS

FUCK!

i shoulda stayed in school!!

DAYYY! YAMM!

[John Bull]

Let's cool it down here folks. Don't want to have to close this thread that's giving you all so much fun.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by PleasantSurprise

Jon I can see you already... of all the skin to lick, you want the area underneath the material huh.

I can't get my eyes peeled from that pinched off region, they're officially glued to the screen. Are you going to relocate the material with your hands, teeth, or tongue? And the picture is making me wet. Time to get off here, the computer that is. Damn I keep scrolling up and down.

Jon has some great ideas doesn't he!

Where to start……………..then I’m afraid, I’m going to join PS in enjoying my Friday evening.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

If we haven't met then how come you know men like me come and go?

I know what you and Mr. 6 are trying to do so to say I don’t know what kind of man you are – at least in broad terms – is a bit naive, and I think you are beyond and a little long in the tooth to be playing at the naive young man.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

The reason you are dangerous is you are an extremely skilled liar. I gave the example of how you condemn bragging about wealth and then brag about wealth. I say Sydney was wrong about the rising popularity of sugar babies, and you say, "Sydney was the master of the game." What does that have to with anything?

What have I ever lied to you about? Not that I would lie to you about anything, but when there's nothing on the table? Na, never.


Where did I brag about my wealth? Again, not that I go around doing the things you are accusing me of, but trying to impress people I don't even know? Damn, you think awfully high of yourself darlin'. Y'all here don't mean enough to me to try impress you. I said I’m financially secure. That’s not to imply that I am or am not wealthy. It means I don't live pay check to pay check. Frankly, I think you trying to pry into my financial affairs rude and boarding on cyber-stalking.


See how that works. The technique of impeaching someone isn’t terribly sophisticated, and your delivery system needs some work if you are ever going to be successful at it with anyone with a modicum of shrewdness.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

There are other names for what you do Olivia: misrepresenting another's point of view, creating straw men, saying you hate X and then doing X, but one word sums it all up, lying.

What did I say I hate? Hypocrites? I don’t believe we’ve discussed them – openly. Whore-hating whore-mongers, bear baiting – which you are pretty good at, but seems the good ladies that earn a living here aren’t taking the bait. I don’t work anymore so I can openly engage you in your one-man crusade to skewer the HDH industry LOL.

I believe I’ve been quite clear that this is a business purely and simply.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

But when you lie Olivia, you hide it under the term "a difference of opinion". It reminds me of the one time I caught a guy stealing just days after he told me that he hated thieves. When I said, "I thought you hated thieves." He said, "I do. You just never considered I hate myself." That is a line you would be proud of Olivia.

I’ve stolen nothing. Stop trying to insinuate situations that don’t exist. I’m not lying to you and I’ve never stolen from you. Your attempts at manipulating the situation are crude and immature.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

And stealing is called "playing the game". That reminds me of when I last saw my old SB. She had two black eyes and had a story about what had happened, but I knew the truth. Everyone I knew whom she had lied to and stolen from wanted to beat her up including me and finally someone turned that desire into action. That is the part of "the game" you want to keep hidden from those whom you are advising Olivia: the black eyes.

What the fuck are you talking about? First you call me a liar. Then you call me a thief. Now you’re threatening me? Wow – and good luck with all that.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

And you don't get what GY6 is so angry about? Why doesn't that surprise me?

Well he says he’s not angry LOL.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

The thing that gets me about people like you Olivia is that after all the shifting arguments it ends with all the same old boring egotistical proclamation ," I am great and you suck" just like you did here.

Let me get this straight. Now, I’m saying I’m great and you suck. You suck at what? Articulating your anger into ideas? Articulation in general? Straw man antidotes or analogies? Threatening people?

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Thing I have noticed about people who think of themselves as having game and being players is that they are the ones most likely to be played themselves. If I were into it, my strategy would be to pat their ego right before shaking them down. The narcissists are the easiest marks.

I’m not playing any game. I’ve made it clear what my business plan was. Just because I wouldn’t entertain the lack of business model you want to be the deal doesn’t make my business a game. It was a rock solid business that provided a nice life for me and my family.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

I can't think of a better example though as to why the sugar baby model has thrived and the HDH model has crashed and burned. One involves image manipulation (AKA lying) and playing the game (AKA stealing) and the other involves mutalism, friendship, and trust.

Now we’re back to lying and stealing. Please provide specific instances of what I have stolen or lied about. Or temper your slanderous comments.

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Sydney was promoting the HDH model like someone promoting CDs the year Napster came out. You are doing it three years post Napster. Nothing like a dinosaur giving out advice on how to not be extinct.

So exactly when did the HDH business model go bust? One could extrapolate, using your logic, that you are lying when you say such a thing as if it’s fact.

I’m commenting because it’s entertaining. Dude, you’re still running on at the mouth how many years later? Give it up already……or not……I’m down……. your fellow crusaders can continue amuse me.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Let's cool it down here folks. Don't want to have to close this thread that's giving you all so much fun.

I actually was editing my quotes and whatnot when you posted this. Didn't see it.

Have a nice weekend everyone

[chicagoboy]

So who wants to be bustyamy's Sugar Daddy?

[jframe2]

opco m:

Boy this subject never ceases to bring considerable amusement.
Every 4-6 months or so it comes up and we are off to the races again.

Carry on.....

[bigv123]

I'm just an innocent by-stander here, but, please allow me to inject an outside perspective for a second. The root of the issue is that everyone wants to define a SD/SB relationship THEIR way, and no other. 'I've been doing this for x number of years, so I am the expert and no one else is!' Or, "I've had # number of SDs, so listen to me". No, you're just short-sighted and pompous. Allow me to use an example to display the syntactical problem here.

Let's say that I'm a well-to-do gent that nets about $2.5 mil/year in income from my various sources. Let also say that at the age of 45 I meet a 24 year old recent college graduate who is just incredibly hot. We date, then get married after a short courting period. I buy her a house, a new car, give her a couple credit cards that I pay off each month, and we have sex twice a week and really don't see each other much outside of that...and we LIKE it that way. Sound familiar??

At the end of the day, being a provider, a SB, or just a whore with a marriage license, it's STILL an exchange of sex for money at the very bottom of the ledger. It is, and if you can't admit that you're simply not being rational and are likely in a very defensive state. The DIFFERENCE between ALL these types of relationships is how MUCH of the relationship is dominated by that exchange!!

In a provider/client "relationship", if you want to call it that, that's ALL there is. There is nothing more. It's money for sex at it's most basic level. Period. In a SD/SB relationship, there's a LOT more going on! But, sex for money is still there whether you want to admit it or not! it may actually not be the defining characteristic of your particular relationship. But, there's a piece in there somewhere when you boil it all down to the fats where it's still just sex for money. In the example I just gave, it's obfuscated behind some flimsy rationalization...but it's still in there...working its magic!

The only case where this ISN'T in play is a pure, traditional relationship. And, even then, sometimes it is! So, please come down from your holier-than-thou perch as if your definition is the guideline that everyone should be living by. Everyone defines their OWN relationships according to the details they find important. If you want to call x a "true SD/SB relationship"...fine. But, if someone else wants to call y a "true SD/SB relationship" why do you even care?!?! At the end of the day, both of you are ultimately trading sex for money. You look like idiots arguing over "how much" a part it plays in the relationship...as if that somehow matters. Draw those lines where YOU like. I'll draw my lines where I LIKE.

But, by that same token, don't try and act smug because you think you're not trading money for sex. In 99% of SD/SB cases, you can take ANY element out of the relationship, except one, and it'll continue to work perfectly fine. Stop giving her "life lessons"? No problem. Stop providing that emotionally comforting shoulder to cry on? No problem. You stop her "compensation" or allowance, or whatever your preferred method of payment it...and you're alone my friend! You know it! And, I know it too!

So, everyone here take a step back, get over yourselves and stop trying to tell everyone else "how it's supposed to be". Take care of your OWN life and be HAPPY...and we'll all do those things that make US happy as well. You're arguing over syntax for god's sake! *sigh*

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[N6_in_the_village]

Originally Posted by bigv123

In 99% of SD/SB cases, you can take ANY element out of the relationship, except one, and it'll continue to work perfectly fine. Stop giving her "life lessons"? No problem. Stop providing that emotionally comforting shoulder to cry on? No problem. You stop her "compensation" or allowance, or whatever your preferred method of payment it...and you're alone my friend!
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but ... but ... a TRUE sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship isn't about the money, I'm sure I read it in this very thread.

[cycleguy]

life is so complicated.
this seemed like such a simple topic when it was started.

[oktome]

Wow bigv you must be reading an entirely different thread because as far I can tell anyone can call something anything you want. What is being debated isn't how you define what type of relationship constitutes a Sb/Sd but if an escort can shift from a purely transactional mindset into a less defined less transactional agreement. Why would an escort settle on less money just to see the same guy and can they shift the mindset to one that involves some form of emotional aspects that others define only coming from a sb that comes from outside this escort world. Olivia in my mind confirms that escorts cannot be in sb agreement because it is strictly business, so in a way she is agreeing with the guys she is having the most vigorous debate with. Although she also states that everyone sizes each other up and manipulates, so technically no one can be a Sd/sb as defined by some guys here. Another aspect that has not been discussed is why would a guy spend 4000 a month to see just one escort when he could see 10-20 different ones each month for the same cost. The only way thAt makes sense to me is if their is some connection and it isn't just about sex and that gets back to what defines a Sb vs an escort on retainer. I could care less what it is called if I found someone I clicked with, had good sex and it took me away from the grind of everyday life once in awhile

[Bella Noel]

I had a sb/sd relationship for two years and it worked out really great. When you find one that works, hold on to it! He is married now and I am very happy for him but have yet to meet someone as great as he was. Idk my two cents