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[Doove]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Under Obamacare, most will not have the freedom to not buy health insurance. That's not made up.

First, that's not what you said. And secondly, everyone will, in fact, have the freedom not to buy it.

If i buy a house, i'll pay less in taxes. If i buy insurance, i'll pay less at tax time. How does that mean i don't have the freedom to not buy a house?

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

you have no need but its killing your freedoms ... got it

possibly youre living in a world of conjecture

yet to be determined so its worthy of a few talking points? ... more conjecture

people that presently cant afford coverage have NO choice either, an infringement on their freedom?

Yes, I am now being forced by the government to purchase something I do not need, that is not freedom. Glad you get it.

Just stating the facts, since you did not.

The ability to obtain money to purchase anything, should be the responsibility of an individual, in a free society.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Doove

First, that's not what you said. And secondly, everyone will, in fact, have the freedom not to buy it.

If i buy a house, i'll pay less in taxes. If i buy insurance, i'll pay less at tax time. How does that mean i don't have the freedom to not buy a house?

Correction: Under Obamacare, most will not have the freedom to not buy health insurance, without being punished by the IRS.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Yes, I am now being forced by the government to purchase something I do not need, that is not freedom. Glad you get it.

Just stating the facts, since you did not.

The ability to obtain money to purchase anything, should be the responsibility of an individual, in a free society.

sounds like you received a charter copy of the talking points memo passed out by the republicans

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

sounds like you received a charter copy of the talking points memo passed out by the republicans

Actually I am part of the healthcare industry and not a Republican. But I can assure you the healthcare industry (or at least the part I am involved with) loves Obamacare for the wealth it has already, and will guarantee us in the future. How you think the average American is going to benefit, despite this, can only be explained by listening to the talking points of the libs. Obamacare falls way short on what was promised before they voted on an unread bill.

[CJ7]

the law can be amended as necessary and be fine tuned over a period of time.. while I don't believe its the panacea for the problem, I do believe its a start, and a start in the right direction

healthcare as it stands now, and the increase of premium costs that we have seen in the last decade, not so much

[Doove]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Correction: Under Obamacare, most will not have the freedom to not buy health insurance, without being punished by the IRS.

But it doesn't include jail time. So back to the original point - you made shit up.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Doove

But it doesn't include jail time. So back to the original point - you made shit up.

I am no more making shit up than you are by saying it doesn't include jail time. The fact is that they are still writing the regulations as we speak (after three years) and have not shown us the completed bill.

As the video of Pelosi, and there are videos of Obama and Sebelius as well, being asked the question directly and their obvious refusal to answer directly, leads me to believe that it does include jail time.

What are you basing your "making shit up" on?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

I am no more making shit up than you are by saying it doesn't include jail time. The fact is that they are still writing the regulations as we speak (after three years) and have not shown us the completed bill.

As the video of Pelosi, and there are videos of Obama and Sebelius as well, being asked the question directly and their obvious refusal to answer directly, leads me to believe that it does include jail time.

What are you basing your "making shit up" on?

don't look now but you just admitted you made up shit

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

don't look now but you just admitted you made up shit

the law can be amended as necessary and be fine tuned over a period of time, to include jail time...

Better?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

the law can be amended as necessary and be fine tuned over a period of time, to include jail time...

Better?

So the fact that jail time might, at some point in the future, be included in regulations concerning one's behavior.....that's what you're hanging your hat on?

Under those conditions, Nancy Pelosi has no more "threatened your freedom" with Obamacare than any other politician has with respect to any legislation they've ever voted for.

So again, you made shit up.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Doove

So again, you made shit up.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up! The jail sentence scare seems to be getting about the same amount of traction as Governor Quitter's death panels!

I can't help but wonder what the Wing Nuts next scare tactic will be?

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by Doove

So the fact that jail time might, at some point in the future, be included in regulations concerning one's behavior.....that's what you're hanging your hat on?

Under those conditions, Nancy Pelosi has no more "threatened your freedom" with Obamacare than any other politician has with respect to any legislation they've ever voted for.

So again, you made shit up.

I gave a reason for why I feel there will be jail time attached to Obamacare, you gave none.

I never argued that there weren't others "threatening our freedom" as well, nor would I with the current legislators.

I do however, understand that my definition of freedom is much more rigid than yours, based on your previous posts. Not saying mine is better, just that they are very different so it was very likely that we would disagree.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

I gave a reason for why I feel there will be jail time attached to Obamacare, you gave none.

Why should i?

I never argued that there weren't others "threatening our freedom" as well, nor would I with the current legislators.

Your logic doesn't indicate "there are others". Your logic indicates there are "every single one of 'em".