Screening/Checking ID.

[GinaXXX]

I know... P411 tattoos, right on the "taint" (where no wife would find it)!! Wait... do men even have "taints"? well, you know the area I'm referring to anyway... and no I will not be the one giving the tattoos. hahaha

Always,
Gina

[TinMan]

I do like the idea of a system generated confirmation number, much like you get when you buy an airline ticket or rent a hotel room. It's good for that session only, and there is no residual evidence that could cause a problem for either party at a later date.

[GinaXXX]

I do like the idea of a system generated confirmation number, much like you get when you buy an airline ticket or rent a hotel room. It's good for that session only, and there is no residual evidence that could cause a problem for either party at a later date.

I like this one as well, but it doesn't really address the issue.

Anyone with access to the account could generate the code though..... which doesn't solve the issue of "shared" accounts. It's much harder to share a name, day and photo on a piece of identification, than it is to share a generated code.



Remember, we're not talking about "collected" client ids, where the person using the collected client id doesn't have access to the P411 account. That is easily weeded out by simply having the client log in and send a request through P411.

The issue we are talking about is accounts that are actually shared.

ie: JimBob lets Uncle Earl use his p411 account to hook up with Suzy
or
ie: JimBob gets pulled over, freaks out, and gives his P411 login information up


If the providers are able to match something in the account to that specific person, that is a way to avoid the very serious issues that can arise with a shared account (which is actually more common than you might think). Simply verifying that person has access to the account isn't sufficient, and a P411 Request already proves that.

Always,
Gina

[Guest101613-1]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Anyone with access to the account could generate the code though..... which doesn't solve the issue of "shared" accounts.

I like this one as well, but it doesn't really address the issue.

Always,
Gina

Blood typing? I kid, I kid!

No but really...that's probably going to be the most loved idea aside from a card, and yet doesn't combat that account sharing issue...has to be a way, hmm...

xoxo,

Taylor

EDIT:
*Maybe it goes back to phone numbers/apps, the code could by generated via text or phone call through an automated system upon arriving at the incall, so it attaches to a phone number not an account.

Or skip the code, assign each account a PIN, and when the hobbyist arrives, he calls the automated system, enters his account PIN, and the system plays a message for the provider to hear, that verifies his P411 account number. A system similiar to what I've heard used at Doctor Offices etc, only when you call and enter your PIN, the system says: "Taylor you are confirmed for your appointment with Dr. LovesVaJayJay at 2p on Tuesday, thank you for calling." But the PIN would only work from the account assigned phone.

Though that means a phone number would HAVE to be assigned to the account. Though I guess it's plausible if you've shared your account you might share your phone?*

[Sleepy363]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Yes, I definitely do.... and I also it's incredibly easy to get a completely fake, but passable, set of identification for about $100.

There is no 100% fool proof method of verification. Screening consists of taking a bunch of small bits of information, putting them together in a way that works for all parties involved and mitigates the risk as much as possible. It's not an exact science.

There is no way to eliminate the risk completely.

However, I do know that the more hurdles you put in your screening process, the better chance is that those who make it through are legit. Again though, nothing is 100%.

I don't mind the criticism..... but do you have any better ideas on how to deal with shared client ids?

You just contradicted yourself. You say you want more hurdles put in the screening process, then you try to reason away validating using a photocopy of ID. It is infinitely easier to alter a photocopy than to go out and find someone to make you a fake ID. Anyone can photoshop/alter a photocopy within minutes without leaving their home. They can do it over and over as often as they want. If you go out to try to secure a fake id, it would take more effort, plus you would have to go through the process multiple times if someone was making multiple ID's (which would be more hurdles to go through for the process). By validating photocopies, you just made the process LESS secure. It makes zero sense that you want all these hurdles in place then validate something so silly.

I'm actually not opposed to the current system the way it is. The biggest problem with it is that I don't carry tape with me at all times in my vehicle. If I'm out and about and make an appointment, it's a pain in the ass to find tape or something else to cover the sensitive info.

What about a p411 ID card that has a picture of the client's penis or a provider's vagina on it? I'm damn sure going to inspect her vagina thoroughly, so I can guarantee authenticity that way. haha

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

I know... P411 tattoos, right on the "taint" (where no wife would find it)!! Wait... do men even have "taints"? well, you know the area I'm referring to anyway... and no I will not be the one giving the tattoos. hahaha

Always,
Gina

What? Now Gina is getting squeamish ... Ladies' taint is the only taint worth taint tickling.

The tattoo would be hidden by the scrotum.

I will show my ID if she shows me hers.

[oldbutstillgoing]

So this thread is now in a loop.

I dont like the way you do things
Well, that is the way we do them
But I dont like the way you do things
But that is the way we do things
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[Namssa]

Many years back, I was issued a VIP card from an agency that had my VIP number on it, When I arrived I showed the lady the card and she called the booker, who would ask her to ask me a question, that they had the answer to on file, Now you did not know which one of three question they had on file, they were going to ask you. You also had to include a couple of identifying marks in your orginal screening such as 1 inch scar on right upper bicep and mole behind ear.. The card had no picture, no name just a plastic card with a number on it. I think the main concern the ladies had back then was LE, not some one posing as you.There were no online personas back in the day.

[lightning]

I saw Taylor yesterday and she didn't require the ID. She also showed me her ID and revealed a lot about herself. Lets not get caught up in this petty stuff. She is an extraordinary provider, and I'm slightly glad this happened, so those of us who appreciate great DFK and unbelievable hotness get more of a chance to see her. You will never regret seeing her. Unfortunately because of this incident she may not return to Dallas.

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by lightning

I saw Taylor yesterday and she didn't require the ID. She also showed me her ID and revealed a lot about herself. Lets not get caught up in this petty stuff. She is an extraordinary provider, and I'm slightly glad this happened, so those of us who appreciate great DFK and unbelievable hotness get more of a chance to see her. You will never regret seeing her. Unfortunately because of this incident she may not return to Dallas.

So no id required? LOL......if you can't beat them, join them.

Taylor honey, You should also value your real world privacy.

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by Taylor_Love

I'm shocked Dallas! I've never had appointments turned down or turned away because clients won't screen, or worse don't or won't bring ID to the appointment (even with things like address etc covered up) to prove who they are.

Ladies! If you aren't checking, gentlemen will think no one does, and that messes it up for the rest of us. Keep yourselves and the rest of us safe!! Please check ID and screen!! I'm actually apalled at this trend that I'm seeing this week. It's not just happened once, it's happened several times. Maybe we're spoiled in NOLA?

xoxo,

Taylor

I usually just ask for ID and a check stub. If I am doing an outcall to their place, I have to see the guys address on their ID. If its an outcall, it's not so much important because he is coming to my physical address lol.

If a guy is uncomfortable giving me their ID, a copy of their work ID or business card will work too.

Also, if they don't have a check stub, I just ask for their permission to call their employer and verify employment. It's just as simple as, "Is David Jones working here today?" It's either a yes or no question.

If you have a guys cell phone number and name, you can still use a background check service to find his physical address.

But remember, identity theft is on the rise and I do know a lot of guys are very weary about giving out their personal information. But, what line of credit can you open with a person's name and address? lol

Also, in this business, there is a potential to be blackmailed (both hobbyist and provider) and personal Information may be dished out. SHAME on those who do both of these!

Screening is really a matter of trust. You have to trust the hobbyist, and the hobbyist must trust you with their information. You must conduct your business in a professional matter .

[Guest101613-1]

Originally Posted by biglatinmale

So no id required? LOL......if you can't beat them, join them.

Taylor honey, You should also value your real world privacy.

I did in FACT check his ID, must have been some confusion, or a mistype. I'm seeing him again today, maybe he can clear this up.

I will not in fact "join them" as you put it.

xoxo,

Taylor

[Guest070818-1]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

At no point have I, or has anyone, said that you should be giving providers your personal information!

Cover up all of your sensitive details with tape (or whatever), and show only your photo, DAY of birth, and the name as it shows on your client id.NEVER have I ever recommended giving out your last name, or any other real life info to providers! In fact one of the main reason P411 was created, was to allow clients to protect their private information, while still allowing providers a method of screening.

Showing identification, is ONLY to show that your name and DAY of birth (and face) matches your P411 client id. This proves that you are the true owner of the client id.

Providers don't need to know exactly who you are (so cover that info!), but they do need to know you are a legitimate client and that you aren't using a shared or stolen client id.

Always,
Gina

+1 Gina, as mentioned in my post above, I ask for ID, but they can always cover up their last name/address if they like. They can also cover up their Driver license number. However, Drivers license Numbers are only good for thorough criminal background checks.

Guys have to remember that some* of us ladies are savvy at background checks.

You can always pull up to a ladies residence, and she might take down your license plate number. She will find out your real name, physical address, and possibly your criminal background from just a license plate, lol.

I don't think anyone is 100% safe about "hiding" their personal identity. You can cover it, but you can't hide it.

If you don't want to screen or be screened, then take a road trip to Canada in an unmarked car and show up to a ladies incall with a face mask on .

[L.A.]

Originally Posted by brownsugarbaby

I usually just ask for ID and a check stub. If I am doing an outcall to their place, I have to see the guys address on their ID. If its an outcall, it's not so much important because he is coming to my physical address lol.

If a guy is uncomfortable giving me their ID, a copy of their work ID or business card will work too.

Also, if they don't have a check stub, I just ask for their permission to call their employer and verify employment. It's just as simple as, "Is David Jones working here today?" It's either a yes or no question.

If you have a guys cell phone number and name, you can still use a background check service to find his physical address.

But remember, identity theft is on the rise and I do know a lot of guys are very weary about giving out their personal information. But, what line of credit can you open with a person's name and address? lol

Also, in this business, there is a potential to be blackmailed (both hobbyist and provider) and personal Information may be dished out. SHAME on those who do both of these!

Screening is really a matter of trust. You have to trust the hobbyist, and the hobbyist must trust you with their information. You must conduct your business in a professional matter .

Wow...I would never give a provider my full name, place of employment, check stub, etc.
I've provided all I'm going to provide to 1 and ONLY 1 screening service. If that info isn't sufficent for a provider then I would have to pass (hasn't happened yet).
Is this what you do with all your clients or those without p411 or history on review boards?
My name is unique enough that even with nothing more than my first and last name you would be able to find out all of my real world info.

[BLM69]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

So this thread is now in a loop.

I dont like the way you do things
Well, that is the way we do them
But I dont like the way you do things
But that is the way we do things
But
But
But
But
~

We are going in circles here. LOL