Welcome to ECCIE, become a part of the fastest growing adult community. Take a minute & sign up!

Welcome to ECCIE - Sign up today!

Become a part of one of the fastest growing adult communities online. We have something for you, whether you’re a male member seeking out new friends or a new lady on the scene looking to take advantage of our many opportunities to network, make new friends, or connect with people. Join today & take part in lively discussions, take advantage of all the great features that attract hundreds of new daily members!

Go Premium

Go Back   ECCIE Worldwide > General Interest > The Sandbox - National
test
The Sandbox - National The Sandbox is a collection of off-topic discussions. Humorous threads, Sports talk, and a wide variety of other topics can be found here.

Most Favorited Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Most Liked Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Top Reviewers
cockalatte 649
MoneyManMatt 490
Jon Bon 400
Still Looking 399
samcruz 399
Harley Diablo 377
honest_abe 362
DFW_Ladies_Man 313
Chung Tran 288
lupegarland 287
nicemusic 285
Starscream66 282
You&Me 281
George Spelvin 270
sharkman29 256
Top Posters
DallasRain70825
biomed163710
Yssup Rider61279
gman4453363
LexusLover51038
offshoredrilling48824
WTF48267
pyramider46370
bambino43221
The_Waco_Kid37418
CryptKicker37231
Mokoa36497
Chung Tran36100
Still Looking35944
Mojojo33117

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-26-2013, 07:55 AM   #1
Whirlaway
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Jan 3, 2010
Location: Here.
Posts: 13,781
Encounters: 28
Default DAVID MAMET ON GUN CONTROL...

Mamet was once a hard left liberal; but a few years ago he wised up.....here is Mamet's recent opine on Obama's Gun Grab.

Note to Timmyboy, the "intellectually stunted" David Mamet, references "communism"...just thought you might want to be advised before proceeding !

Gun Laws and the Fools of Chelm†


The individual is not only best qualified to provide his own personal defense, he is the only one qualified to do so. By David Mamet.

Karl Marx summed up Communism as “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” This is a good, pithy saying, which, in practice, has succeeded in bringing, upon those under its sway, misery, poverty, rape, torture, slavery, and death.


‘In announcing his gun control proposals, President Obama said that he was not restricting Second Amendment rights, but allowing other constitutional rights to flourish.’

For the saying implies but does not name the effective agency of its supposed utopia. The agency is called “The State,” and the motto, fleshed out, for the benefit of the easily confused must read “The State will take from each according to his ability: the State will give to each according to his needs.” “Needs and abilities” are, of course, subjective. So the operative statement may be reduced to “the State shall take, the State shall give.”


All of us have had dealings with the State, and have found, to our chagrin, or, indeed, terror, that we were not dealing with well-meaning public servants or even with ideologues but with overworked, harried bureaucrats. These, as all bureaucrats, obtain and hold their jobs by complying with directions and suppressing the desire to employ initiative, compassion, or indeed, common sense. They are paid to follow orders.

Rule by bureaucrats and functionaries is an example of the first part of the Marxist equation: that the Government shall determine the individual’s abilities.

As rules by the Government are one-size-fits-all, any governmental determination of an individual’s abilities must be based on a bureaucratic assessment of the lowest possible denominator. The government, for example, has determined that black people (somehow) have fewer abilities than white people, and, so, must be given certain preferences. Anyone acquainted with both black and white people knows this assessment is not only absurd but monstrous. And yet it is the law.

President Obama, in his reelection campaign, referred frequently to the “needs” of himself and his opponent, alleging that each has more money than he “needs.”

But where in the Constitution is it written that the Government is in charge of determining “needs”? And note that the president did not say “I have more money than I need,” but “You and I have more than we need.” Who elected him to speak for another citizen?

It is not the constitutional prerogative of the Government to determine needs. One person may need (or want) more leisure, another more work; one more adventure, another more security, and so on. It is this diversity that makes a country, indeed a state, a city, a church, or a family, healthy. “One-size-fits-all,” and that size determined by the State has a name, and that name is “slavery.”

The Founding Fathers, far from being ideologues, were not even politicians. They were an assortment of businessmen, writers, teachers, planters; men, in short, who knew something of the world, which is to say, of Human Nature. Their struggle to draft a set of rules acceptable to each other was based on the assumption that we human beings, in the mass, are no damned good—that we are biddable, easily confused, and that we may easily be motivated by a Politician, which is to say, a huckster, mounting a soapbox and inflaming our passions.

The Constitution’s drafters did not require a wag to teach them that power corrupts: they had experienced it in the person of King George. The American secession was announced by reference to his abuses of power: “He has obstructed the administration of Justice … he has made Judges dependant on his will alone … He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws … He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass out people and to eat out their substance … imposed taxes upon us without our consent… [He has] fundamentally altered the forms of our government.”


This is a chillingly familiar set of grievances; and its recrudescence was foreseen by the Founders. They realized that King George was not an individual case, but the inevitable outcome of unfettered power; that any person or group with the power to tax, to form laws, and to enforce them by arms will default to dictatorship, absent the constant unflagging scrutiny of the governed, and their severe untempered insistence upon compliance with law.

The Founders recognized that Government is quite literally a necessary evil, that there must be opposition, between its various branches, and between political parties, for these are the only ways to temper the individual’s greed for power and the electorates’ desires for peace by submission to coercion or blandishment.

Healthy government, as that based upon our Constitution, is strife. It awakens anxiety, passion, fervor, and, indeed, hatred and chicanery, both in pursuit of private gain and of public good. Those who promise to relieve us of the burden through their personal or ideological excellence, those who claim to hold the Magic Beans, are simply confidence men. Their emergence is inevitable, and our individual opposition to and rejection of them, as they emerge, must be blunt and sure; if they are arrogant, willful, duplicitous, or simply wrong, they must be replaced, else they will consolidate power, and use the treasury to buy votes, and deprive us of our liberties. It was to guard us against this inevitable decay of government that the Constitution was written. Its purpose was and is not to enthrone a Government superior to an imperfect and confused electorate, but to protect us from such a government.

Many are opposed to private ownership of firearms, and their opposition comes under several heads. Their specific objections are answerable retail, but a wholesale response is that the Second Amendment guarantees the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. On a lower level of abstraction, there are more than 2 million instances a year of the armed citizen deterring or stopping armed criminals; a number four times that of all crimes involving firearms.

The Left loves a phantom statistic that a firearm in the hands of a citizen is X times more likely to cause accidental damage than to be used in the prevention of crime, but what is there about criminals that ensures that their gun use is accident-free? If, indeed, a firearm were more dangerous to its possessors than to potential aggressors, would it not make sense for the government to arm all criminals, and let them accidentally shoot themselves? Is this absurd? Yes, and yet the government, of course, is arming criminals.

Violence by firearms is most prevalent in big cities with the strictest gun laws. In Chicago and Washington, D.C., for example, it is only the criminals who have guns, the law-abiding populace having been disarmed, and so crime runs riot.

Cities of similar size in Texas, Florida, Arizona, and elsewhere, which leave the citizen the right to keep and bear arms, guaranteed in the Constitution, typically are much safer. More legal guns equal less crime. What criminal would be foolish enough to rob a gun store? But the government alleges that the citizen does not need this or that gun, number of guns, or amount of ammunition.

But President Obama, it seems, does.

He has just passed a bill that extends to him and his family protection, around the clock and for life, by the Secret Service. He, evidently, feels that he is best qualified to determine his needs, and, of course, he is. As I am best qualified to determine mine.

For it is, again, only the Marxists who assert that the government, which is to say the busy, corrupted, and hypocritical fools most elected officials are (have you ever had lunch with one?) should regulate gun ownership based on its assessment of needs.

Q. Who “needs” an assault rifle?

A. No one outside the military and the police. I concur.

An assault weapon is that which used to be called a “submachine gun.” That is, a handheld long gun that will fire continuously as long as the trigger is held down.

These have been illegal in private hands (barring those collectors who have passed the stringent scrutiny of the Federal Government) since 1934. Outside these few legal possessors, there are none in private hands. They may be found in the hands of criminals. But criminals, let us reflect, by definition, are those who will not abide by the laws. What purpose will passing more laws serve?

My grandmother came from Russian Poland, near the Polish city of Chelm. Chelm was celebrated, by the Ashkenazi Jews, as the place where the fools dwelt. And my grandmother loved to tell the traditional stories of Chelm.

Its residents, for example, once decided that there was no point in having the sun shine during the day, when it was light out—it would be better should it shine at night, when it was dark. Similarly, we modern Solons delight in passing gun laws that, in their entirety, amount to “making crime illegal.”

What possible purpose in declaring schools “gun-free zones”? Who bringing a gun, with evil intent, into a school would be deterred by the sign?

Ah, but perhaps one, legally carrying a gun, might bring it into the school.

Good.

We need more armed citizens in the schools.

Walk down Madison Avenue in New York. Many posh stores have, on view, or behind a two-way mirror, an armed guard. Walk into most any pawnshop, jewelry story, currency exchange, gold store in the country, and there will be an armed guard nearby. Why? As currency, jewelry, gold are precious. Who complains about the presence of these armed guards? And is this wealth more precious than our children?

Apparently it is: for the Left adduces arguments against armed presence in the school but not in the wristwatch stores. Q. How many accidental shootings occurred last year in jewelry stores, or on any premises with armed security guards?

Why not then, for the love of God, have an armed presence in the schools? It could be done at the cost of a pistol (several hundred dollars), and a few hours of training (that’s all the security guards get). Why not offer teachers, administrators, custodians, a small extra stipend for completing a firearms-safety course and carrying a concealed weapon to school? The arguments to the contrary escape me.


Why do I specify concealed carry? As if the weapons are concealed, any potential malefactor must assume that anyone on the premises he means to disrupt may be armed—a deterrent of even attempted violence.

Yes, but we should check all applicants for firearms for a criminal record?

Anyone applying to purchase a handgun has, since 1968, filled out a form certifying he is not a fugitive from justice, a convicted criminal, or mentally deficient. These forms, tens and tens of millions of them, rest, conceivably, somewhere in the vast repository. How are they checked? Are they checked? By what agency, with what monies? The country is broke. Do we actually want another agency staffed by bureaucrats for whom there is no funding?

The police do not exist to protect the individual. They exist to cordon off the crime scene and attempt to apprehend the criminal. We individuals are guaranteed by the Constitution the right to self-defense. This right is not the Government’s to “award” us. They have never been granted it.

The so-called assault weapons ban is a hoax. It is a political appeal to the ignorant. The guns it supposedly banned have been illegal (as above) for 78 years. Did the ban make them “more” illegal? The ban addresses only the appearance of weapons, not their operation.

Will increased cosmetic measures make anyone safer? They, like all efforts at disarmament, will put the citizenry more at risk. Disarmament rests on the assumption that all people are good, and, basically, want the same things.

But if all people were basically good, why would we, increasingly, pass more and more elaborate laws?

The individual is not only best qualified to provide his own personal defense, he is the only one qualified to do so: and his right to do so is guaranteed by the Constitution.

President Obama seems to understand the Constitution as a “set of suggestions.” I cannot endorse his performance in office, but he wins my respect for taking those steps he deems necessary to ensure the safety of his family. Why would he want to prohibit me from doing the same?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...vid-mamet.html
Whirlaway is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 08:29 AM   #2
TheDaliLama
BANNED
 
TheDaliLama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 6, 2010
Location: Ikoyi Club 1938
Posts: 7,139
Default

Obama has no problem giving F16s to the Muslim Brotherhood but doesn't trust American hunters with common firearms.
TheDaliLama is online now   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 09:22 AM   #3
nevergaveitathought
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 18, 2010
Location: texas (close enough for now)
Posts: 9,249
Default

the idiocy of liberalism is full on display
nevergaveitathought is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 09:24 AM   #4
CuteOldGuy
Valued Poster
 
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Location: Wichita
Posts: 28,730
Encounters: 20
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaliLama View Post
Obama has no problem giving F16s to the Muslim Brotherhood but doesn't trust American hunters with common firearms.
Not to mention all those assault rifles he gave to the Mexican cartels to shoot at our border patrol agents.
CuteOldGuy is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #5
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

Mamet, a one time highly regarded liberal of some repute makes some very solid points and does it in a way that a screenwriter can do.
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:12 AM   #6
gnadfly
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Jan 20, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 14,460
Default

Again, its been admitted by Federal and local govt authorities that the AR-15 "assault weapon" was not used at the school. Of course, that info was known long before Biden's "gun summitt."

Looks like the Democrats that don't want to take away your weapons still want to take away your weapons.
gnadfly is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:37 AM   #7
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

Of course we now know why there are no women mass killers...they can't shoot a AR-15!
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:42 AM   #8
joe bloe
Valued Poster
 
joe bloe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 10, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 5,740
Default

Great essay, thanks for posting. I'm always amazed when a life long liberal does a complete 180 on his political views. From what I've read, Mamet had an awakening after 911. My favorite Mamet movie is Glengarry Glen Ross; the dialogue is great.

David Horowitz is one of the other prominent voices on the right that was a literal communist until his forties. His awakening happened when he discovered that a friend had been murdered by the Black Panthers and the leftists had covered up the crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgAU2RJHfvE
joe bloe is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:44 AM   #9
i'va biggen
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Jan 20, 2011
Location: kansas
Posts: 28,773
Encounters: 17
Default

Who hunts with a AR15?
i'va biggen is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:49 AM   #10
joe bloe
Valued Poster
 
joe bloe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 10, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 5,740
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by i'va biggen View Post
Who hunts with a AR15?
It doesn't matter if the weapon is suitable for hunting. The second amendment doesn't exist to protect people's right to hunt. It exists so that people can protect themselves from tyranny. The founders did not amend the Constitution because they were concerned about hunter's rights.
joe bloe is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:53 AM   #11
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

You can include the late Ron Silver, Dennis Miller and David Horowitz. A full 180 degree conversion or the left has gone so far to the left that these liberals sound like conservatives.

Don't you just love that crusty old strawman; you don't hunt with an AR-15... If you are hungry then you hunt with what you got. JB is right, the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with protection from government. Ask George Washington, he was there. "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself."
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:21 PM   #12
joe bloe
Valued Poster
 
joe bloe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 10, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 5,740
Default

The second amendment was written in 1791, just after we had won our freedom from the British, largely because just about everyone had a gun. If gun ownership had not been wide spread in the days of the founders, the country would not exist.

It took guns to win our freedom. The founders reasoned that it would take guns to keep it.
joe bloe is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:27 PM   #13
Sidewinder
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Jan 3, 2010
Location: Huntsville AL
Posts: 1,428
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joe bloe View Post
It doesn't matter if the weapon is suitable for hunting. The second amendment doesn't exist to protect people's right to hunt. It exists so that people can protect themselves from tyranny. The founders did not amend the Constitution because they were concerned about hunter's rights.
That last sentence is not quite correct.

The people of the United States of America demanded the Bill of Rights, as the price of ratification of the Constitution. The founders caved in to their demands.

Some of the Founding Fathers believed very strongly that the Bill of Rights was unnecessary. The Constitution enumerated the powers of the proposed Federal government, and made it clear that there were no others: it was not supposed to be necessary to further limit those powers. Perhaps it is because they were frontier people, to whom individualism was not merely a virtue but a necessity for survival. We know today that their belief was, at best, hopelessly naive: Governments not explicitly constrained tend to grasp and hold power forever.
Sidewinder is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:29 PM   #14
JCM800
Ambassador
 
JCM800's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 23, 2012
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 13,233
Encounters: 29
Default

This could be in a Sons of Anarchy episode
JCM800 is offline   Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:37 PM   #15
TheDaliLama
BANNED
 
TheDaliLama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 6, 2010
Location: Ikoyi Club 1938
Posts: 7,139
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by i'va biggen View Post
Who hunts with a AR15?
I know at least 5 people who do.
TheDaliLama is online now   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


AMPReviews.net
Find Ladies
Hot Women

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2009 - 2016, ECCIE Worldwide, All Rights Reserved