What is up with all of the broke providers?

[EmilyHemingway]

Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

I agree this hobby is a luxury, but could you imagine what sexless men would be like in this society without you lovely providers?

I don't think the thread intent is to ask providers to lower their rates, it was to point out the "poor me, I'm not getting any clients and can't afford my <insert want here>." I agree that sometimes it isn't about a want over a need. However, during the course of a downturn, sometimes the best thing to do is practice a little humility and reevaluate your priorties. If a business fails due to bad business practices and they file bankruptcy, they have to liquidate or reorganize to become profitable.

That said, lowering a rate to attract clientel is a basic economic rule that works in every aspect of business. Yes, you may have to work a little harder during a less than stellar season, but that is what sacrifice is about. Just ride out the storm and raise your rate back to nominal when the storm passes. Humility seems to be a trait that is being thrown to the side. The "Me Generation" is a narcasistic, everyone-owes-me era that is extremely unattractive.

In full agreement with you there, DFW5. A proper donation schedule designed to target your desired customer base and generate an acceptable level of profit is basic business management. This is a sound practice regardless of type of business or definition of "acceptable level of profit". I am not, however, objecting to sound business management or educating providers thereon who seem to need it rather badly. I'm pointing out that it's silly to expect ladies to lower rates, not from better business management, but because otherwise some hobbyists can't afford the luxury of playing as often as they want - doubly so on a thread about providers who can't afford everything they want.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Money management! It's what's for dinner.

[snowking2010]

I love this thread. lots of good points. Im sure there are a lot of $300 providers doing well, but i suspect there are more that are doing very little . there are so many great providers in DFW area. I like to watch a new provider start off at $200 and move up to $300 in a month or two. i always wonder what got that special. I do agree you should set your own price and make it as high or low as you feel is right. As far as more risk because seeing more people at lower price, i dont know, if you do a good job screening and i know you can only do so much. you could get a bad one no matter if you screen 3 or 10, it only takes one. As far as managing money, i wont cast a stone. i have met a few providers that seem to enjoy their money and save some back, but i have met more that blew it and im not talking about on bills, kids etc. This can be true with anyone though, but i hope more read this thread and learn from providers that have done well over the years.

[Guest101610-2]

What is this thread about again?

[VeronicaMoore]

@johnjo The "risks" I'm talking about aren't necessarily having to do with the client.

When you see a high number of clients a day, there are more risks.

For instance Mrs. Nosy in the condo next door might not have noticed or paid attention to 3 people knocking on Patty Provider's door today. But it's that 4th person she sees come by today that gives suspicion. The 5th might make her try to file a report. Risks take many forms in this business.

I don't think the thread intent is to ask providers to lower their rates, it was to point out the "poor me, I'm not getting any clients and can't afford my <insert want here>."

Oh it doesn't have to be. ANYTIME money is mentioned on any thread, someone WILL bring up lowering rates (lol).

@EmilyHemmingway AMEN!!! This job is a luxury and this hobby is a luxury. Even in times of economic instability, luxury items RARELY go down in price. Do you see Bulgari running specials? Do you see $50 Louboutins? Are there buy one get one free Hermes bags? If you do please let me know (lol).

I, sad as it is, don't have the money to afford but one pair of Loubous this year and I'm SAVING up for them. It's one of the true tragedies in the world, I tell you what! I'm even cutting out my Starbucks and manicure budget to get them. Would I *like* 5 new pairs this year? Hell yeah! But do I hold it against Christian Louboutin because the shoes are too expensive for me or write on message boards how they're not worth it? That I can get a pair of Steve Maddens for much less and the quality is the same? Nope. I suck it up and move on and look at bluefly.com like every day hoping and praying that the shoes I want won't sell out before I can afford them.

[travelling_man]

Originally Posted by hotlips_houlihan

Ok, color me confused. But if you couldn't afford to see her at 225 or 250, then how could you afford to see her 4 or 5 times a week? Even at 50 bucks, you are still putting out the same amount of money,

Or am I reading that wrong?

No - you're exactly right. It's purely a psychological issue, and it doesn't make sense if you are strictly looking at the total funds spent each week. I'm saying that YES I would spend more money overall if that were the case. Hence my statement earlier of saying $250 (or $200) times zero = <zero> vs 4 (or 5) times $50 = $$ <something>. It's a general statement that can be summed up easily - for the girls whining about not having any money, what is more....keeping their rate high and getting nothing or lowering (to I don't know what) and getting something.

Originally Posted by VeronicaMoore

Men are always talking laughing "provider math," but this "hobbyist math" is just as baffling. Affording $225 is out of the question, but $300 isn't?

Yeah... no. I'm gonna have to COMPLETELY disagree. Otherwise why is affording $225 a problem, but $300 not lol? What you mean is that you would see SEVERAL ladies a week, not the SAME lady several times. Meaning each lady would only make $50. Just do the math - what's one times $50 vs 1 times $250? At what rate do you think the girls will earn more money? Gee, sounds like a great deal for a hobbyist though.

In a sense I agree with you - it does NOT make sense, but it's true. If a single hobbyist (me) were to see 4 or 5 girls a week at a mythical $50 vs zero at $250, what's more to each girl? For discussion sake I'll go with what you said about 1 time at $50 vs 1 time at $250....for a SINGLE hobbyist you're right...it would not make sense. But now multiply that by 10. You're not going to get all 10 hobbyists to see you at $250, but 10 WILL see you at $50 (again, just a mythical figure for discussion sake). At the end of the week when you have a $450 dollar bill to pay, which method is going to let you pay it? Is that bill collector going to care that you worked 1 hour and came up short vs working 10 hours and having enough to pay your bill?

Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

I don't think the thread intent is to ask providers to lower their rates, it was to point out the "poor me, I'm not getting any clients and can't afford my <insert want here>." .... sometimes the best thing to do is practice a little humility and reevaluate your priorties. If a business fails due to bad business practices and they file bankruptcy, they have to liquidate or reorganize to become profitable.

That said, lowering a rate to attract clientele is a basic economic rule that works in every aspect of business.

Very well said DFW5 - THIS is the point I was trying to make and got muddled while trying to find it. This is a business just like anything else. The ones that realize this and treat it like a business are successful. I also have an hourly rate that I charge and when times are slow I have been willing to lower my rate or offer specials to my clients. Yes I have to swallow my pride and even though I think that I'm worth more I have to do what I can to make ends meet. That's the nature of business and this business is no different.

[snowking2010]

@johnjo The "risks" I'm talking about aren't necessarily having to do with the client.

If you meant Johnjojo, there is a johnjo too. i guess popular name. that is something to think about. if #3 not paid attention to, but #4 starts getting a lot of attention , i would hate hate to be #4. I think all providers should set prices they like and see as many as they like. I am sure its hard to find an incall that works perfectly, but if me and its not, i would try, just to be on the safe side if i thought one or two more people during day was setting off alarms. again, probably easier said than done.

[Guest050613-02]

Originally Posted by travelling_man

Yes I have to swallow my pride.... That's the nature of business and this business is no different.

True, except they are swallowing more than just their pride.

Some good & funny points in this thread...carry on.

[URAPNES]

Officially the most viewed topic on ECCIE. This questions has had people call me disrespectfull, a troll, unsympathetic, etc...etc... After the 1st 2 pages of the insulted and the "WK's" we finnaly got to engage in a very interesting topic. I can only hope that all of us will remember the people who try to stifle good healthy conversation. And throw arround insults and the word "troll" every time an interesting question is asked, and remember their input is mainly to stifle a good topic not to engage. I have heard some of the most intellegent responses from the providers, and I thank you for that. I meant nothing other than a discussion, not to incite. Again, thanks to alll those who PM'ed me with "great question" comments.
I suggest that we monitor who is allways calling "troll" on a good topic and there should be consequences. Kind of like calling FIRE in a crowded theater when there is not one.. The mods, once they determain, their own opinions, whether a topic is interesting and engaing or "trolling", anyone who calls the OP a troll, and the questions is determained to be good, they should have consequences...

[happycamper]

Originally Posted by YTAD LVR

I'll get some popcorn and sit back...

DITO....this should be interesting..

[Guest012211-3]

LOL, I figure all pride went out the window the day I showed my tits for a dollar

It's a matter of tolerance...build your own bubble, set your own rules and play. When it no longer works for you it's time to expand or create a new environment. Concerning yourself with other people's business will not get you anywhere.

The above was a general statement and not aimed at any specific poster.

[Guest100513-2]

I would like to nominate this thread for closure.

Let's get back to talking about impoertant issues like the pros
and cons of COF, NQNS, and the best boobs in Dallas.

Since by his own admission, the OP does not even participate in this hobby, he is a troll.

[URAPNES]

Constant attacks on me and the Mods do nothing. I have been nothing but respectfull. I also did not know that threads should be closed just because someone is not currently participating in the hobby. Why close a good topic? Close down my attackers......

[Guest012211-3]

Originally Posted by URAPNES

Officially the most viewed topic on ECCIE. This questions has had people call me disrespectfull, a troll, unsympathetic, etc...etc... After the 1st 2 pages of the insulted and the "WK's" we finnaly got to engage in a very interesting topic. I can only hope that all of us will remember the people who try to stifle good healthy conversation. And throw arround insults and the word "troll" every time an interesting question is asked, and remember their input is mainly to stifle a good topic not to engage. I have heard some of the most intellegent responses from the providers, and I thank you for that. I meant nothing other than a discussion, not to incite. Again, thanks to alll those who PM'ed me with "great question" comments.
I suggest that we monitor who is allways calling "troll" on a good topic and there should be consequences. Kind of like calling FIRE in a crowded theater when there is not one.. The mods, once they determain, their own opinions, whether a topic is interesting and engaing or "trolling", anyone who calls the OP a troll, and the questions is determained to be good, they should have consequences...

To be fair, it was a good thread until the above post. I guess because we went a few pages without mentioning you? Do you need some cyber-validation? Or hug? Hugs are free

[happycamper]

Originally Posted by DeAnna Luv

The day I have to freakin work at mcdonalds and sell pussy is the day I walk away from selling pussy..

It baffles me that people think "bad" or less than desirable guys are the only ones you will get if you lower your rate.. guess what.. those same "super nice" guys everyone sees now..will be just as happy to see you and save 50 freakin bucks as they they were when you was 50 bucks more.. guess what people..my rates have always been 150..and yet I see the same guys that other girls charging more see..yes..those lovely 200 and 250 girls that think they are weeding guys out with their rates..ya those guys..yes they see the "cheaper" girls too.. and amazingly no..just cuz im "cheaper" they don't treat me "cheaper"..they are just happy to have a good time and save some money..

this job is a freakin luxury.. it allows mothers to be with their children, there for their kids and family a hell of a lot more of the time then if they are busting it 40 hrs a week in the real world. yet somehow it still manages to get screwed up... the solution is NOT taking another job, for the simple reason you are suppose to be doing this job as a way to get fast cash, easily and lots of it without investing alot of hours per week...

If its a matter of I don't really belong here type thing, girls that can't live with themselves for being paid providers having sex with strangers every day of the week, then yes..those girls need to quit bitching, get a life and get a real job flippin burgers.. if you can't run with the big dogs..you stay your ass on the porch.. this job isn't for the weak minded, insecure, or low self esteem girls.. selling sex is easy, but only if you come with your mind right to the day to day stuff..

Am I to good to work at walmart? hell no.. but i would simply refuse to do BOTH.. if you can live with the "stress" as some girls claim of meeting new guys screening them, fucking them etc.. part time while you have a real job.. yet still don't have enough money and bitch about it..then either go full time at a rate that allows you to live the life you want, or move the f' on and get a real job full time and leave the drama and personal finance problems off the board..this place is suppose to be an escape from the real world and the problems there..not a place to drag them, beat them, beat them some more and later on still not have them fixed and beg for help again. If girls don't have their shit in order, get off the board and get it in order, quit looking for some WK to come to your aid and clean up your messes yet again.. and leave the board for what it is.. a place to meet girls, make money, spend money and overall have a fuckin good time


sellin pussy ain't hard, it baffles me though that some still manage to screw it up!!

When you were on ASPD your posts used to annoy the hell out of me..... After reading these ones ..... You go Girl..... I'll look you up next time I'm in FL.

[technicallygeek]

Originally Posted by Nicole Preston

To be fair, it was a good thread until the above post. I guess because we went a few pages without mentioning you? Do you need some cyber-validation? Or hug? Hugs are free

I need a hug... Im so cold and alone