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Old 08-15-2013, 11:09 AM   #1
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Just posting this as an FYI. it's not an alert , but more just information, and since this is where all the LE post get aired I thought I would put it on here.

(Moved. Not an alert so it goes in Coed - Namssa)

Common Prostitution Myths





Myth: A police officer cannot expose himself, drink alcohol, or use drugs while on duty.

Fact: Police officers have been known to do all of these things in order to catch suspected prostitutes, so do not assume that a client who is willing to show his penis cannot be a cop. When hotel rooms are used for stings, police will sometimes set out illegal drugs, hoping that providers will assume that law enforcement officers would never have drugs around. In State v. Morris, an appeals court ruled that a police officer exposing himself to a provider wasn’t outrageous enough to overturn a prostitution conviction. Cops will do whatever it takes to make arrests, and even experienced providers have been tricked into incriminating themselves.
A police officer IS allowed to sexually touch a prostitute if it is in fulfilment of the officer’s duty. So, if a prostitute asks a potential john to touch her sexually and he does, that does not guarantee that he is not a police officer



Myth: If an undercover officer actually has sex with a provider, the provider can’t get in trouble.

Fact: While it is unlikely that a law enforcement officer would go through with actually having sex with a provider, there have been cases wherein the police have hired a civilian to participate in a sting operation, in which case they could go through with sex.



Myth: Providers only have to worry about new clients potentially being undercover cops.

Fact: Law enforcement officials often leverage hobbyists who have been busted for other crimes to infiltrate the world of escorts and escort agencies. Sometimes the hobbyist won’t even know he is being used as an informant until after the date. There have been cases where the police catch a hobbyist who is leaving a hotel and threaten to arrest him unless he incriminates the provider. Unfortunately people are often willing to turn on even their close friends in order to get themselves out of legal trouble and avoid public exposure.



Myth: Police only target providers who work on the streets in stings.

Fact: In a lot of areas, more providers have been caught through postings on Craigslist, backpage, or other internet sites than have been arrested on the streets.



Myth: It’s only prostitution if you make it clear that you are trading money for sex.

Fact: Juries are allowed to consider the “totality of the circumstances” and draw whatever conclusions seem reasonable to them, so it doesn’t matter whether or not money is ever mentioned. If you post sexually suggestive photos and hourly rates on your website, then meet with a client who contacted you through your site, the jury will probably assume that you were charging for sex as well as companionship.



Myth: You are not guilty of prostitution if the client doesn’t actually hand you the money, or if he tells you it is only a gift.

Fact: Juries often conclude that an offer or agreement to have sex for money was implied by your words or actions. So if the prosecution can prove that the client contacted you looking for sex, that you agreed to meet with him, and that he brought money to the meeting, you will probably be convicted even if there’s no evidence that he actually gave you the money.



Myth: If you get suspicious that a client may be an undercover officer, you can avoid a prostitution conviction by telling him you changed your mind and don’t want to have sex anymore (or that he doesn’t have to pay for it).

Fact: As long as the prosecution can convince a jury that you agreed to trade sex for money, you are guilty of prostitution even if you later withdraw your offer. Providers who have tried to appeal prostitution convictions on this basis have not succeeded.



Myth: You will face the same charges no matter where the “act” occurs.

Fact: Prostitution that takes place in private homes is usually punished less harshly than prostitution that occurs in public places. Prostitution near a school or park is punished even more severely. Remember, courts consider prostitution to take place when you agree to have sex for money, not when the sexual encounter occurs. For instance, if you meet a client at a bar where you agree on a price, then return to your house to have sex—that is considered a public act of prostitution.



Myth: Prostitution is a petty crime which results in only minor punishments.

Fact: The least serious prostitution charge is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a $1,000 fine and no more than 90 days in jail. First offenses that occur in private homes are usually classified as misdemeanors.
Prostitution offenses can also be classified as gross misdemeanors, which carry a maximum fine of $3,000 and a maximum sentence of one year in jail. Providers who commit public acts of prostitution, solicitation of prostitution, or who have past convictions for prostitution are generally charged with gross misdemeanors.
The most serious prostitution offenses are felonies, which can result in prison sentences of more than a year, or fines of more than $3,000. Typical prostitution felonies involve minors, promoting the prostitution of another person, or prostitution-related racketeering charges.



Myth: A provider who brings a friend to a date isn’t a pimp.

Fact: Police try to implicate as many people as they can in the most serious possible crimes when they conduct stings. Bringing a friend for purposes of prostitution will implicate you in the promotion of prostitution, a felony for which you can be sentenced to 15 years in prison and fined $30,000 (or even more if your friend is under 18 years of age). Police will often threaten to charge providers with promotion of prostitution in order to convince them to snitch on their associates.

Any of the following activities can be considered promotion of prostitution:
A client pays you for both your services and you take a cut before giving your friend her share
You help find clients for your friend (even if you don’t participate in her dates)
You let your friend use your residence or hotel room to entertain her clients
You drive your friend to an appointment with a client
You give a client another provider’s phone number, or give another provider a client’s number (even if you don’t make money from doing so)
Myth: Prostitution convictions can only lead to fines or jail time.
Fact: Police may seize any property used to commit or help commit a crime. So if you use your computer to book appointments, or drive your car to meet clients, the police can take these away from you, and they can also confiscate any money you earned through prostitution.



Myth: If you get arrested, no one will know.

Fact: Providers are charged under their real names, and arrest records are public knowledge, so it is actually quite likely that people will find out. In addition, police departments often post the names and photos of people arrested for prostitution on their websites. Prostitution convictions stay on a person’s record forever and will pop up whenever background checks of any kind are conducted.



Myth: Police have to tell you they are police if asked. The officer has no choice but to identify himself as a member of the police force.

Fact: Even if asked directly, police officers have no obligation to blow their cover and get shot in the balls.
This makes sense if you think about it, since if that were really the rule there would be no sting operations whatsoever. Even the dumbest crackhead or provider would remember to always ask his new supplier or customer if he is a cop before each transaction. No, it's not entrapment, ladies.








I don't expect anyone to trust or belive any of this because the myths have gone on for so long.

Ask a lawyer, not your friend!!!!
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Old 08-15-2013, 02:02 PM   #2
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prostitution cases rarely make it to a jury, or lead to a conviction if the provider gets proper legal representation. It usually is a waste of city money and resources because unless they have these ladies on tape or video agreeing or being suggestive they have no evidence. If the lady doesn't seek proper legal counsel and let's the court bully her around on bs soliciting charges than that is her own stupidity.
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Old 08-15-2013, 03:44 PM   #3
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Myth: Police have to tell you they are police if asked. The officer has no choice but to identify himself as a member of the police force.

Fact: Even if asked directly, police officers have no obligation to blow their cover and get shot in the balls.
This makes sense if you think about it, since if that were really the rule there would be no sting operations whatsoever. Even the dumbest crackhead or provider would remember to always ask his new supplier or customer if he is a cop before each transaction. No, it's not entrapment, ladies.[/CENTER][/B]

Known this myth for longest but i still ask, never really thought an officer would just say: "yea i am a cop, now you get to go home", and me saying: "you almost got me officer Polowaski better luck next time", but i ask to feel the provider out if any hint of hesitation would be a deal breaker. Also knowing a cop seasoned in the sting wouldn't probably hesitate but its a peace of mind kinda of deal, knowing it'll be so embarrassing to get caught, which makes me the most nervous when meeting a new gal. Feel like I'm so due to get caught but never had(ima great researcher). But would getting hemmed be so bad, sure your RW life would be put in shame for buying a hooker but so what, whats wrong with it, buying pussy has been around so long. I'm sure there's a good debate on whether it was the first type of compensation in mankind, but why is it so nerve reckoning to get caught to us. Its better than dating, its better than masturbation, its just how our society perceives it i guess but it shouldn't be negative in my opinion. Whats the difference in marrying/dating a woman, taking care of her every needs and wants just for the sex and/or companionship(she just dont get it upfront). So what i want it to end in a specific time frame its my loot and will spend it on any and everything i want and can afford. In this everything needs to be convenient world we created for ourselves why hasn't prostitution been liberated yet, its so convenient(to me anyways). Maybe cause most cant afford this hobby and its not fair for a small group of people to smash all the primo pussy or maybe to show faith to civie women that's not all you can do in your life is get paid to fuck or it could be that I'm just trying to justify my philandering cause I'm just so greedy who knows. It just amazes me that people are hired and elected to keep us from doing something that is naturally inherited to us(having sex)paying for it shouldn't put it in a different light.
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:25 PM   #4
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Myth: Cops love donuts

Fact: They love the donuts. I stopped into a Dunkin Donuts in Boston one morning. There were seven different law enforcement agencies represented that morning.
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Myth: cops are there to protect and serve

Fact: they are doing a job. Their job is to bust your ass so they can get paid.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:22 AM   #6
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all sound like good advice to me.

however, what is the source of these myths vs. facts?
how "true" are the facts?
[seeing as how one provider recently got ragged on about snagging a story w/out citing any references to other web pages w/ the same story].
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This is all good advice but......

Fact: If they want you, they will get you.

Fact: Al Capone was arrested on Tax-Evasion. Never mind the other criminal shit he was involved in.



Fact: Government can't tax an orgasm (Or anything that makes you "feel good" for that matter).

Fact: Uncle Sam Wants you! (To Pay your Taxes).



TRUTH: In the end, with the police, police stings, and election time, its all about making that money!
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:39 AM   #8
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Thank You!
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Old 08-16-2013, 05:57 AM   #9
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prostitution cases rarely make it to a jury, or lead to a conviction if the provider gets proper legal representation. It usually is a waste of city money and resources because unless they have these ladies on tape or video agreeing or being suggestive they have no evidence. If the lady doesn't seek proper legal counsel and let's the court bully her around on bs soliciting charges than that is her own stupidity.
They generate some good will with the bible thumpers and a little bit of fine money and move on.
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Who doesn't love donuts?
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all sound like good advice to me.

however, what is the source of these myths vs. facts?
how "true" are the facts?
[seeing as how one provider recently got ragged on about snagging a story w/out citing any references to other web pages w/ the same story].


Like I said in closing the post. I don't expect anyone to trust any of it. Ask a lawyer. Then if you find some of the information to be incorrect, by all means let us know.
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these are two threads I would read.

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=41726
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=41726
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Myth: Cops love donuts

Fact: They love the donuts. I stopped into a Dunkin Donuts in Boston one morning. There were seven different law enforcement agencies represented that morning.
Haha! Gotta love it!
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It's true that most major "underworld" convictions happen because of IRS related charges, not the explicitly criminal activity (eg: Al Capone, Heidi Fleiss, etc.)

That being said, my understanding of what urges LE to do stings or survalience is (1) if it'll keep the general public safe or (2) if it's news worthy and will help "make a career".

Meaning, cops want drug dealing pimps and criminal inclined providers off the streets, so that the city stays safe for all!

More importantly to LE they want a promotion / raise, how do they get that? They do a bust that makes them look like a hero... How this has played out in the past is as follows. (1) linking terrorism, sexual exploitation, drug or human trafficking to prostitution. (2) publicizing a lengthy client list, containing the names of elite, powerful or wealthy civilians, in an attempt to "clean up curuption"

Best way to avoid this is to not have anything worth leveraging from, and to be a seemingly clean, law obiding citizen. Unfortunetly with the current scrutiny that review boards/ provider and hobbyist forums are under, your involvement is leveragable for the simple fact that if 1,000 providers and 100 clients utilizing a site such as this are arrested for what is deemed as illegal activity, it's makes it impossible for a direct link not to be made to those cases and this site. And let's be honest, busting or shutting down TER, Eccie or P411 would be big news!

Between the 3 there are over a million subscribers!

Grimm prospects for all of us unfortunetly ;(
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Meaning, cops want drug dealing pimps and criminal inclined providers off the streets, so that the city stays safe for all!
according to the law, you are criminally inclined.
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