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CuteOldGuy · 07-23-2012, 08:27 AM

$60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998. Is that enough?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ns-dating-1998

They tore down the statue, too. That's the problem with turning humans into gods. The humans start believing their own hype, but we eventually find out the truth.

WTF · 07-23-2012, 08:29 AM

Gods are all a figment of one's mind.

There is no such thing.

Would any God let child rape occur?

WTF · 07-23-2012, 08:36 AM

The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

"The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

"The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.
"This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."

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I think the NCAA has over stepped their boundry. Now if you think it OK to make up rules and laws as you go along , then fine, that is what dictators do. I am one that believes in the rule of law. Many others on this forum seem to think otherwise.

nevergaveitathought · 07-23-2012, 09:13 AM

because it fell outside of cheating per se on sports, no recruiting violations etc, i was of the mind the NCAA should have kept hands off. I'm not even sure what NCAA rule was broken. Maybe they have an overall "for the good of the sport" type rule

i still think going after the people in charge who aided and abetted the coverup, financially, stripping them of pensions, having them liable for indemnifying the state and the school for any monetary settlements is the thing to do if possible. If not, any future state contracts etc, with state personel who reach a certain level of pay and responsibility, should make them liable.

Yssup Rider · 07-23-2012, 01:01 PM

They gave SMU the death penalty for much less. And I think the NCAA requires its member schools to abide by the statutes of law and lawful conduct. Unless you're trying to say that Penn State should be left alone since there's no evidence that they paid for a kid's trip home for Thanksgiving.... SHIRLEY you don't mean that!

Not only should the football program be suspended from post season, but regular seasons, scholarships, etc., for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't have a problem if the entire athletic program were to be put on ice for four years too.

This is a slap on the fucking wrist. Really little else. Teams get banned from postseason play for recruiting violations.

It's an outrage. A mid-major conference school would have been torn to shreds.

CJ7 · 07-23-2012, 01:45 PM

Nuke the entire state ... its the governors fault for not keeping his school in line.

JD Barleycorn · 07-23-2012, 01:46 PM

Are we discussing religion, crime and punishment, or sports?

On religion; god does not let anything happen. It is called free will. We are allowed to make our own choices and sometimes they are evil choices. If we had a proverbial shock collar continually correcting our behavior then we are not free to do good or evil.

Crime and punishment: The fine I can understand as the university's system broke down. Paterno is gone and Zandusky is going to die in prison. I don't understand the vacation of the wins. What does that accomplish? Did the child abuse have anything to do with Penn State winning? This kind of places an onus on the players during those years. You didn't win after all. So do the other guys win? Will the record books be changed to reflect this? Will contracts be withdrawn? No, no, and no.

Sports: Don't really care as I think too many universities put too much stock in their sports programs. These programs end up corrupted with money and do nothing to help society.

i'va biggen · 07-23-2012, 01:50 PM

Seemed more of a legal matter than sports if it had been a math teacher instead of a coach would the outcome been different?

cptjohnstone · 07-23-2012, 02:13 PM

It is a "death penalty", trust me having been through the 2nd worse sanctions after SMU, we went 0-10-1 one year. It took about 5/10 years to recover. The scholarship limit is 85, in four years they will be down to 65. That will 3 deep without injuries and that is not counting any players who transfer out

They are done, stick a fork in them

Yssup Rider · 07-23-2012, 03:42 PM

I'm not sure vacating the wins is such a harsh penalty. I'd rather see them out of football for four years than rewriting history.

I'm sure there'll be a whole spate of new T-shirt sales for the "new" Big 10 champion schools. How hollow will that be.

icuminpeace · 07-23-2012, 03:46 PM

I'm not familiar with NCAA rules and regulations, but I'm glad the hatchet went down. If we could only get the catholic church to sanction themselves as well and do the right thing, then I'll say there has been some progress.

74comet · 07-23-2012, 03:52 PM

I can't wait to see the flack I get for this response but here goes!

Let me preface this by stating that in no way what so ever would I ever condone the actions of Jerry Sandusky. He will, in my eyes, never receive the punishment that he is due.
After watching the press conference regarding the sanctions against PSU I was not surprised in at what was handed down and basically support their actions. The $60m fine, the reduction in football scholarships, no bowl games, I'm okay with this. We need to teach a lesson that life is bigger than Division I sports. They are called "student athletes" but too many years ago we lost sight of this. Where I do have a major disagreement with their punishment of JoePa.
Unfortunately we are being spoon fed what the press wants us to hear and perceive. If any of you have taken the time to read the report, you most likely wonder how these people came to the conclusion that Joe was behind the cover-up. Here are a few fact....There were 3.5 million emails read in the course of the investigation. That works out to one email a second that needed to be read over the 6 months of the investigation. There is no way this can be sorted, categorized and assembled into a logical assessment of the involved parties. Secondly, do you know how many emails of these 3.5m Joe wrote? If you guessed zero you would be right. Of these 3.5m emails how many mention Joe at all. There were a grand total of 2 that mentioned the word "Coach" which is safe to presume means Paterno. And of these two all that is mentioned is that coach would like an update. That is it! Quite incriminating isn't it, not.
Did you know that the Pennsylvania State Police had Jerry Sandusky in handcuffs in 1998 for pedophilia. However the DA said that there was not enough evidence to proceed with a case and a conviction would not happen. Also did you know that Sandusky was allowed to still adopt children after the 1998 event? I guess Children Services still considered him not to be a pedophile at that time. After 1998 Jerry was retired and not a member if the staff at PSU though he held emeritus status. Therefore he was NOT a responsibility of Joe but ultimately the responsibility of the Athletic Director and the upper administration.
This brings up another issue with the press. How is it that most of the headlines are "Joe Paterno and others involved in cover up" (yes this is an exact quote of a headline) . Why didn't the press report it as the others who are criminally charges as involved in the cover up. How many of you can actually name the three that have been forced to resign and have been criminally charged in the cover-up? Just to enlighten you they are Graham Spanier former President of PSU, Tim Curley former AD and Gary Schultz former Senior VP. This is just another fine case of the media sensationalizing and not sticking to the facts.
If any of you have the time to read the entire report with an open mind I truly believe you come to a totally different conclusion that what the press is feeding you.
Again I cannot state strongly enough that what Sandusky did is 100% reprehensible and every time I hear his name I want to throw-up. May God and the community help his victims deal with what happened to them.
Schultz, Curley & Spanier hopefully will get their reward for destroying what was a fine program. However I still stand behind JoePa and (unless something else comes out) that is where I will remain forever.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings!!

CJ7 · 07-23-2012, 04:03 PM

I find it next to impossible to believe Paterno knew of or covered up anything that had to do with bringing harm to the kids ... they were his life, they respected and loved him, and he them. Im not a Penn State fan, I dont have a dog in this hunt, but when I watched the cops block off the street and remove his statue it made me feel empty inside ... decades of legacy destroyed with no proof positive and a man that cant speak for or defend himself

wow

Guest050715-1 · 07-23-2012, 04:04 PM

The one thing I agree with, as I do not think the sanctions were near enough, is staying the wins. It is as if Paterno and everyone else had been fired in 1998. His record is null and void as it should be. Everything else, is far too easy on them. Schools are supposed to maintain institutional control of the programs. Clearly Penn State didn't, and children paid the price. That is the NCAA's right to sanction the school.

CJ7 · 07-23-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

The one thing I agree with, as I do not think the sanctions were near enough, is staying the wins. It is as if Paterno and everyone else had been fired in 1998. His record is null and void as it should be. Everything else, is far too easy on them. Schools are supposed to maintain institutional control of the programs. Clearly Penn State didn't, and children paid the price. That is the NCAA's right to sanction the school.

I beg your pardon ... obviously you have absloute proof Paterno was directly involved and knowingly covered up the entire scenario ..

so lets see it.