Democrats open borders allowing the illegals to invade

[berryberry]

One year ago today the House GOP passed HR 2, the Secure The Border Act.

Alas Chuck Schumer has not allowed the Senate to vote on the strongest border bill in history because the Democrats love illegals and want an open border.

[Flyinfun1]

Of course...because they are counting on them to vote Democrat in the 2024 Election.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Flyinfun1

Of course...because they are counting on them to vote Democrat in the 2024 Election.

They are indeed

[zippyboy]

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Noncitizens can't vote in federal elections. Trump and the GOP hope you don't know that.
Republicans are again pushing unsubstantiated claims about noncitizens voting in federal elections
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...g/73626423007/

[berryberry]

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Noncitizens can't vote in federal elections. Trump and the GOP hope you don't know that.
Republicans are again pushing unsubstantiated claims about noncitizens voting in federal elections
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...g/73626423007/

And you believe that. Wow. Why won't the Democrats pass the SAVE act then?

Congressional Democrats insist that the SAVE Act—which requires proof of citizenship to establish eligibility to vote in federal elections—is unnecessary because federal law (18 USC § 611) already prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections.

Those making this argument ignore a glaring problem: the government officials who register voters and conduct federal elections aren’t allowed to require proof of citizenship.

It’s therefore shockingly easy for non-citizens to vote in federal elections, leaving our elections dangerously vulnerable to foreign interference.

Anyone—even an illegal alien or other non-citizen—can register to vote in federal elections, just by checking a box and signing a form.

This is all on the honor system. No proof of citizenship is required.

It’s not just that state officials—who are responsible for federal voter registration and elections in our country—*don’t* verify citizenship in this context; it’s that the Supreme Court has told them that they’re not allowed to do so.

In Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, 570 U.S. 1 (2013), the Court held that the National Voter Registration Act (“NVRA,” known as the “Motor Voter” law) prohibits states from requiring proof of citizenship when processing federal voter-registration forms.

The SAVE Act would fix this gaping loophole by requiring anyone registering to vote in federal elections to provide proof of citizenship.

It would also require states to review existing federal voter-registration files and remove all non-citizens.

Remember: every state except South Carolina issues driver’s licenses to non-citizens, and 19 states issue them to illegal aliens.

This, coupled with the Motor Voter law and the Supreme Court’s ruling, makes it shockingly easy for aliens—legal and illegal—to vote in federal elections, even though they’re prohibited from doing so.

[zippyboy]

Have you found any credible numbers on the number of illegals that voted in federal elections? I am having trouble.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by zippyboy

Have you found any credible numbers on the number of illegals that voted in federal elections? I am having trouble.

Have you found any credible numbers on the number of illegals that have NOT voted in federal elections? I am having trouble.

You see, people who break the law typically don't admit it

So again, if you think this is a non issue, why won't the Democrats pass the SAVE act then?

[zippyboy]

I mean, I guess here would be a good start https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElectio...tatistics.aspx

Lots of auditable information out there with a lot of interested parties combing through it, figured something credible would come up by now?

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by zippyboy

Have you found any credible numbers on the number of illegals that voted in federal elections? I am having trouble.

I'll ask you one.... since the number one complaint I have with mail in and quite frankly regular voting stations is no signature verification. So how the fuck do u know who is voting zippy?

[zippyboy]

I don't, but I know a lot of people have been investigating with more than the passing interest I have in it and have not found anything credible or large enough to have a measurable impact on our elections so far.

I appreciate people auditing it regularly though, and welcome oversight as long as it does not intimidate or hinder voters.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by zippyboy

I mean, I guess here would be a good start https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElectio...tatistics.aspx

Lots of auditable information out there with a lot of interested parties combing through it, figured something credible would come up by now?

And where exactly in that data do they capture if a person is a US citizen or not?

They don't. That is the point. So why are you opposed to the SAVE act?

[zippyboy]

Originally Posted by berryberry

And where exactly in that data do they capture if a person is a US citizen or not?

They don't. That is the point. So why are you opposed to the SAVE act?

When and where did I say I was, I never even read the bill. I am just correcting a posters claim that illegals are voting in federal elections. There is no proof of it is all.

All I am saying is that if illegals were voting in mass, I feel like it would be discovered by now. I do not believe it is happening at an appreciable rate.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by zippyboy

When and where did I say I was, I never even read the bill. I am just correcting a posters claim that illegals are voting in federal elections. There is no proof of it is all.

All I am saying is that if illegals were voting in mass, I feel like it would be discovered by now. I do not believe it is happening at an appreciable rate.

As I have shown, none of what you posted is substantiated by any data or facts. Criminals (that is what illegals are) who vote illegally in a election don't announce it to the world. It is happening in larger numbers than you can imagine

But ok, what is your position on the SAVE act? Do you support it? If no, why not?

[zippyboy]

I have not read the bill, therefore I have no position on it.

I also do not believe that illegals are voting in federal elections in larger numbers than I imagine because I see no proof or evidence even hinting at it. That is your faith in the narrative being spun, not mine. Show me evidence and I'll support that claim.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by zippyboy

I have not read the bill, therefore I have no position on it.

I also do not believe that illegals are voting in federal elections in larger numbers than I imagine because I see no proof or evidence even hinting at it. That is your faith in the narrative being spun, not mine. Show me evidence and I'll support that claim.

1. The bill is simple - The SAVE Act—which requires proof of citizenship to establish eligibility to vote in federal elections. Do you support that or not?

2. As I have said, Criminals (that is what illegals are) who vote illegally in a election don't announce it to the world.

3. That said, look what just came out: 10–27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote, according to a new study by Just Facts.

Based on the latest available data and an enhanced version of a stress-tested methodology from a scholarly journal, a new study by Just Facts has found that about 10% to 27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote.

The U.S. Census recorded more than 19 million adult non-citizens living in the U.S. during 2022. Given their voter registration rates, this means that about two million to five million of them are illegally registered to vote. These figures are potentially high enough to overturn the will of the American people in major elections, including congressional seats and the presidency.