facts about the 2020 election Trump supporters need to read

[VitaMan]

This sums it up.
Even the mule documentary film is debunked.




WASHINGTON (AP) —
Here are the facts about Trump's loss in the last presidential election:




REVIEWS AND RECOUNTS CONFIRM BIDEN’S VICTORY
Biden’s victory over Trump in 2020 was not particularly close. He won the Electoral College with 306 votes to Trump's 232, and the popular vote by more than 7 million ballots.


Because the Electoral College ultimately determines the presidency, the race was decided by a few battleground states. Many of those states conducted recounts or thorough reviews of the results, all of which confirmed Biden’s victory.


In Arizona, a six-month review of ballots in the state’s largest county, Maricopa, that was commissioned by Republican state legislators not only affirmed Biden’s victory but determined that he should have won by 306 more votes than the officially certified statewide margin of 10,457.


In Georgia, where Trump was recently indicted for his efforts to overturn the 2020 result there, state officials led by both a Republican governor and secretary of state recertified Biden’s win after conducting three statewide counts. The final official recount narrowed Biden’s victory in the state from just shy of 13,000 votes to just shy of 12,000 votes.


In Michigan, a committee led by Republican state senators concluded there was no widespread or systematic fraud in the state in 2020 after conducting a months long investigation. Michigan, where Biden defeated Trump by almost 155,000 votes, or 2.8 percentage points, was less competitive compared with other battleground states, although the result in Wayne County, home of Detroit, was targeted by Trump and his supporters with unfounded voter fraud claims, as were key urban jurisdictions across the country.




In Nevada, the then-secretary of state, Republican Barbara Cegavske, and her office reviewed tens of thousands of allegations of possible voter fraud identified by the Nevada Republican Party but found that almost all were based on incomplete information and a lack of understanding of the state’s voting and registration procedures. For example, Cegavske’s investigation found that of 1,506 alleged instances of ballots being cast in the name of deceased individuals, only 10 warranted further investigation by law enforcement. Similarly, 10 out of 1,778 allegations of double-voting called for further investigation. Biden won Nevada by 33,596 votes, or 2.4 percentage points.


In Pennsylvania, the final certified results had Biden with an 80,555-vote margin over Trump, or 1.2 percentage points. Efforts to overturn Pennsylvania’s election failed in state and federal courts, while no prosecutor, judge or election official in Pennsylvania has raised a concern about widespread fraud. State Republicans continue to attempt their own review of the 2020 results, but that effort has been tied up in the courts and Democrats have called it a “partisan fishing expedition.”


In Wisconsin, a recount slightly improved Biden’s victory over Trump by 87 votes, increasing Biden's statewide lead to 20,682, or 0.6 percentage points. A nonpartisan audit that concluded a year after the election made recommendations on how to improve future elections in Wisconsin but did not uncover evidence of widespread voter fraud in the state, leading the Republican co-chair of the audit committee to declare that “the election was largely safe and secure.” The state’s Assembly speaker, a Republican, ordered a separate review, which a state judge said found “absolutely no evidence of election fraud."




AP INVESTIGATION FINDS MINIMAL VOTER FRAUD IN SWING STATES
An exhaustive AP investigation in 2021 found fewer than 475 instances of confirmed voter fraud across six battleground states — nowhere near the magnitude required to sway the outcome of the presidential election.


The review of ballots and records from more than 300 local elections offices found that almost every instance of voter fraud was committed by individuals acting alone and not the result of a massive, coordinated conspiracy to rig the election. The cases involved both registered Democrats and Republicans, and the culprits were almost always caught before the fraudulent ballot was counted.


Some of the cases appeared to be intentional attempts to commit fraud, while others seemed to involve either administrative error or voter confusion, including the case of one Wisconsin man who cast a ballot for Trump but said he was unaware that he was ineligible to vote because he was on parole for a felony conviction.




The AP review also produced no evidence to support Trump’s claims that states tabulated more votes than there are registered voters.


Biden won Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and their 79 Electoral College votes by a combined 311,257 votes out of 25.5 million ballots cast. The disputed ballots represent just 0.15% of his victory margin in those states.


TRUMP'S OWN ADMINISTRATION FOUND NO WIDESPREAD FRAUD
Trump was repeatedly advised by members of his own administration that there was no evidence of widespread fraud.


Nine days after the 2020 election, the federal Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued a statement saying, “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history." The statement was co-written by the groups representing the top elections officials in every state.


Less than three weeks later, then-Attorney General William Barr declared that a Justice Department investigation had not uncovered evidence of the widespread voter fraud that Trump had claimed was at the center of a massive conspiracy to steal the election. Barr, who had directed U.S. attorneys and FBI agents across the country to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, said, “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”


The Jan. 6 House committee report details additional instances where administration officials and White House staff refuted Trump’s various allegations of voter fraud.


COURTS HEARD TRUMP'S LEGAL CHALLENGES AND REJECTED THEM
The Trump campaign and its backers pursued numerous legal challenges to the election in court and alleged a variety of voter fraud and misconduct. The cases were heard and roundly rejected by dozens of courts at both state and federal levels, including by judges whom Trump appointed.


One of them, U.S. Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas, was on a federal panel that declined a request to stop Pennsylvania from certifying its results, saying, “Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections.”


The U.S. Supreme Court also rejected several efforts in the weeks after Election Day to overturn the election results in various battleground states that Biden won.


CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT VOTING MACHINES WERE UNFOUNDED
Many of the claims Trump and his team advanced about a stolen election dealt with the equipment voters used to cast their ballots.


At various times, Trump and his legal team falsely alleged that voting machines were built in Venezuela at the direction of President Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013; that machines were designed to delete or flip votes cast for Trump; and that the U.S. Army had seized a computer server in Germany that held secrets to U.S. voting irregularities.


None of those claims was ever substantiated or corroborated. CISA's joint statement released after the election said, “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised.”


Nonetheless, many of these and other unfounded claims were repeated on Fox News, both by members of the Trump team as well as by some of the network’s on-air personalities. Dominion Voting Systems sued the network for $1.6 billion, claiming the outlet’s airing of these allegations amounted to defamation.


Records of internal communications at Fox News unearthed in the case showed that the network aired the claims even though its biggest stars, including Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, as well as the company's chairman, Rupert Murdoch, did not believe they were true.


Dominion and Fox News settled out of court for $787.5 million.


CLAIMS INVOLVING SUITCASES AND BALLOT MULES ARE DEBUNKED
Trump and his supporters also have claimed that a number of other factors contributed to a broader effort to steal the presidential election.


One theory advanced by both Trump and one of his lawyers, Rudy Giuliani, is that “suitcases” full of fraudulent ballots in Georgia cost Trump the election there.


Then-Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen told the Jan. 6 House committee that he personally reviewed the video purported to show the fraud allegation in question. He recounted telling Trump: “It wasn’t a suitcase. It was a bin. That’s what they use when they’re counting ballots. It’s benign.”


State and county officials also had confirmed the containers were regular ballot containers on wheels, which are used in normal ballot processing.


But a week later, Trump publicly repeated the suitcase theory, saying, “There is even security camera footage from Georgia that shows officials telling poll watchers to leave the room before pulling suitcases of ballots out from under the tables and continuing to count for hours.”


Richard Donoghue, the former acting deputy attorney general, told the Jan. 6 committee that, days later, he told Trump that “these allegations about ballots being smuggled in in a suitcase and run through the machine several times, it was not true. … We looked at the video, we interviewed the witnesses.” But Trump continued to repeat the false claim.


Another debunked claim spinning a tale of 2,000 so-called ballot mules was featured in a film that ran in hundreds of theaters last spring. The film alleges that Democrat-aligned individuals were paid to illegally collect and drop ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. But the AP determined that the allegations were based on flawed analysis of cellphone location data and drop box surveillance footage.

[royamcr]

This is what happens when you have adults in the room running things. Not a whiny old orange turd, and the stupidest citizens we have to offer. Can you imagine how many millions all this Election fraud bullshit has cost the country? 100 million +? And that doesn't count all the federal and state lawsuits pending.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by royamcr

This is what happens when you have adults in the room running things. Not a whiny old orange turd, and the stupidest citizens we have to offer. Can you imagine how many millions all this Election fraud bullshit has cost the country? 100 million +? And that doesn't count all the federal and state lawsuits pending.

One hundred million? Not even close. You're off by a factor of maybe 30,000. If Trump had gracefully accepted his loss, Democrats in Georgia wouldn't have turned out en masse for the 2021 Georgia Senate runoffs. Perdue would have won one of the seats, and Democrats wouldn't have controlled the Senate in 2021 and 2022. And they couldn't have spent out the gazoo. They legislated around $5 trillion in additional unfunded spending, although McCarthy and the House Republicans managed to claw back about $1.5 trillion of that this year.

But a lot of people did buy 65" big screen televisions with those $1400 American Rescue Plan checks. It wasn't all flushed down the drain.

[Salty Again]

... Hee Hee! ... The Washington AP?? ...

Is that the same "Associated Press" that told us Trump
(who is claiming the election was rigged) also colluded
with Russia? ... I believe it is...

We KNOW already that Bill (RINO) Barr shut down
voting fraud investigations in Michigan and in
Pennsylvania. ... That's FACT.
Your AP article (FROM WHEN?) doesn't mention that.

We also KNOW that Brian Kemp and Raffsburger
wanted NO PART of President Trump taking the
illegal Georgia votes to a Judge there.
They wouldn't produce them.

Your AP article left that out.
And also failed to mention that PA changed
their rules (AFTER the vote) to allow
votes to be counted that lacked the proper
date and signature... In direct violation
of the State Constitution.

... See? ... That's how elections get rigged.

#### Salty

[SpeedRacerXXX]

We are closing in on 3 years since the 2020 election and not one claim of voter fraud in the election has been substantiated. In fact, every one has been debunked.

As at least one other has said -- Republicans need to get over the 2020 loss and focus on 2024. Trump has to win back 3 of 5 states -- Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona. A difficult task but hardly impossible. Had Trump not contested the 2020 election results my opinion is he would be in a much better postion than he is.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

We are closing in on 3 years since the 2020 election and not one claim of voter fraud in the election has been substantiated. In fact, every one has been debunked.

As at least one other has said -- Republicans need to get over the 2020 loss and focus on 2024. Trump has to win back 3 of 5 states -- Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona. A difficult task but hardly impossible. Had Trump not contested the 2020 election results my opinion is he would be in a much better postion than he is.

Actually no, they haven't been debunked. most haven't even made it to an actual court with the actual charges. The liars keep saying the same thing that it was fraud was debunked, but most in charge of the fraud still control the courts enough to pretend the fraud doesn't exist.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Had Trump not contested the 2020 election results my opinion is he would be in a much better postion than he is.

No kidding. The majority of Americans are dissatisfied with Biden and Bidenomics, and Republicans are dead set on nominating their only candidate that Biden will almost certainly beat. Democrats will be extremely motivated to vote in 2024 if Trump’s the nominee as they believe he tried to steal the 2020 election. An election that wasn’t even close. Biden won by 74 electoral and 7 million popular votes. If there were fraud on a massive enough scale to overturn a Biden win we’d know about it.

Contrary to Salty’s beliefs, Raffensperger and other Georgia election officials thoroughly investigated most of Trump’s fantasies and came up with nothing.

Barr went out on a limb and asked U S attorneys to investigate election fraud at the tail end of 2020. That was unprecedented. That close to an election it’s the states that investigate, not the Feds. One of Barr’s top guys resigned because he viewed that as politically motivated. And the Justice Department came up with nothing.

Raffensperger, Kemp and Barr wanted Trump to win. But they weren’t willing to engage in fraud or go to jail for Trump.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

We are closing in on 3 years since the 2020 election and not one claim of voter fraud in the election has been substantiated. In fact, every one has been debunked.

As at least one other has said -- Republicans need to get over the 2020 loss and focus on 2024. Trump has to win back 3 of 5 states -- Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona. A difficult task but hardly impossible. Had Trump not contested the 2020 election results my opinion is he would be in a much better postion than he is.

Shhhh..don't tell them that. As long as Trump etal, continue to bang their drum of a lost election, his base will continue to be stuck in the regurgitation of rigged election, conspiracy, cabal, deep state, swamp and never ever get to a point of creating an actual policy to move forward. They are so busy with the crying towel of election fraud that was NEVER proven or substantiated, that they will certain maintian the base of votership, but they will never reach one person on the left or middle. It's insane and then you have the next conspiracy of two tiered standard of justice, formulated by FOX news., and the conspiracy spin doctors just keep the base flummoxed all the while buying garbage from " the my pillow guy", Fruit and veggy pills, and lets not forget Mike "huckster" Huckabee selling his soul on sleeping pills to make a dollar and be on Fox news as if his stupid Arkansas ass had any real value of ideology or brought something more than red meat to a Trump loving base.

Sadly- what will the party of red bring forth after there is so much legal trouble that they start to turn on Trump instead of going to jail, or being broke; The inevitable is on the horizon and it's only the GOP party and Fox who can't read the tea leaves. They need to find a person who actually isn't a total liar and insane to appeal to both sides. There was one or two on the stage at the GOP debate in Iowa, but as long as FOX news controls their minds, there will never be anyone but Trump.

Meanwhile, Joe in my opinion could coast and win; but I think he's going to fain some sort of illness or just drop out due to the Hunter issues, etc.., and then it will be an open casting call.

Well, it's going to be an interesting 14 months till the GOP loses again. But hey- they are getting good at that- Or should I say, they will repeal and replace, and then lose again.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

Actually no, they haven't been debunked. most haven't even made it to an actual court with the actual charges. The liars keep saying the same thing that it was fraud was debunked, but most in charge of the fraud still control the courts enough to pretend the fraud doesn't exist.

They haven't made it to an actual court because they were so ridiculous to even contest in a court of law. Name one claim of election fraud in the 2020 election that you believe to be true.

[DNinja69]

Last I checked election interference was a serious Federal offense. Pretty sure for a good amount of 2021 there were quite a few Trump friendly Conservatives in the Federal court system yet nobody pursued a case.

Hmmm..

So are we saying Biden is just too smooth and powerful to let that happen? Or maybe there really is no proof?

[Tigbitties38]

And you show no6 links or proof of any your bullshit.
The location is Washington, the source is AP.
No legitimate news organization said trump had colluded with Russia. Collusion isn't a crime. Conspiracy of some type is a crime. It took all of 20 seconds to confirm that fact with 2 sources.

https://time.com/5506815/collusion-c...e-trump-cohen/


And trump never provided any evidence the election was rigged.
You're wrong about Barr and about Georgia's actions concerning its votes. No proof there were illegal votes to produce. Other than trump's word.
We KNOW you lie on a regular basis.
We KNOW you misrepresent information on a regular basis.
We KNOW not to believe what you say without confirming it with a reliable source.
Just because you question AP, it only means you were wrong again.
.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hee Hee! ... The Washington AP?? ...

Is that the same "Associated Press" that told us Trump
(who is claiming the election was rigged) also colluded
with Russia? ... I believe it is...

We KNOW already that Bill (RINO) Barr shut down
voting fraud investigations in Michigan and in
Pennsylvania. ... That's FACT.
Your AP article (FROM WHEN?) doesn't mention that.

We also KNOW that Brian Kemp and Raffsburger
wanted NO PART of President Trump taking the
illegal Georgia votes to a Judge there.
They wouldn't produce them.

Your AP article left that out.
And also failed to mention that PA changed
their rules (AFTER the vote) to allow
votes to be counted that lacked the proper
date and signature... In direct violation
of the State Constitution.

... See? ... That's how elections get rigged.

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... Hmmmmm .... Interesting.

"No legitimate news organization said Trump colluded with Russia"??

CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, The Wash Post and NY Times were all sayin'
it at the time of the 2016 election... The FBI/DOJ and Hillary's
lying "dossier" surely said-so. ... Where you been??

Good thing Michael Horowitz and John Durham have shown us
THE TRUTH.

And you and Tiny are wrong concerning the Georgia election fraud
that Trump was asking the Officials of.
Remember the infamous "phone call" that we keep hearing
"bits and pieces" of?

... Why don't WE get right to it... Been almost 3 (three) years.

WHY haven't Brian Kemp and the officials there released the
phone call - in its entirety - to show everyone just WHO
is telling the TRUTH??

... See? ... It's all rather simple, lads.
Yer mate Salty and the conservatives are always calling for
videos to be released - hence what Tucker showed from 6 Jan.

We want to see communications also... E-mails and what-not.
DON'T YOU??

WHY does the FBI and DOJ not want to show things??

#### Salty

[Tigbitties38]

It is interesting you are unaware that the audio and a transcript of the phone call have been available since 1-3-21.

Wait. No. It's not interesting at all. It's pathetic.

So you're right about one thing.
It's been almost 3 (three) years.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/polit...ipt/index.html

McCarthy gave the lying asshole, carlson, access to the jan 6 video.
Here is what he did with it.
Spoiler alert. He used it to spread lies and misinformation.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...nplays-violen/

Ray Epps is suing fox.
Plus it looks like he may be charged in the riot. Might not be too late to sell your revolver stock.
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white...lson-rcna94079

On top of all of that, there was no mention of "collusion" prior to trump being elected.
And the dossier wasn't released until after the election
https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events


Now about that link to prove that collusion claim you made.

Or don't. I already KNOW you can't.


Looks like you don't KNOW shit for somebody who claims to KNOW everything.

See? It's all rather simple.
While you've been hiding in trumpland, life goes on in the real world..
It looks like your "insiders" felt you aren't trust/worthy (or other undisclosed reason) enough to KNOW what CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, WaPo, and NYT all covered.


PS Even fox reported it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...d-votes-report

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hmmmmm .... Interesting.

"No legitimate news organization said Trump colluded with Russia"??

CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, The Wash Post and NY Times were all sayin'
it at the time of the 2016 election... The FBI/DOJ and Hillary's
lying "dossier" surely said-so. ... Where you been??

Good thing Michael Horowitz and John Durham have shown us
THE TRUTH.

And you and Tiny are wrong concerning the Georgia election fraud
that Trump was asking the Officials of.
Remember the infamous "phone call" that we keep hearing
"bits and pieces" of?

... Why don't WE get right to it... Been almost 3 (three) years.

WHY haven't Brian Kemp and the officials there released the
phone call - in its entirety - to show everyone just WHO
is telling the TRUTH??

... See? ... It's all rather simple, lads.
Yer mate Salty and the conservatives are always calling for
videos to be released - hence what Tucker showed from 6 Jan.

We want to see communications also... E-mails and what-not.
DON'T YOU??

WHY does the FBI and DOJ not want to show things??

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... How sad.

... let's start with the phone call - CNN has the cut and
edited one... That's usually what they show, anyway.

Case in point - WHY do all the media outlets you mention
get things SO WRONG? ... Take the Trump quip, for example.
You remember - the one from the limo?
Trump was asked His "secret for getting women"
and Trump replied - "Grab 'em by the pussy - they love it!"

WHY does CNN, MSNBC and the like continue to edit
Trump's responce there? Is it by design?

... I'll let YOU decide.

Pllease explain WHAT "lies and misinformation" came from
Tucker showing the 6th Jan footage.

What we DID see is the Shaman bloke - once called
"The Face of the Insurrection" - was NOT violent inside
the Capitol - he was surely led-'round like your
President Lincoln on the starship Enterprise.

... If onley THAT video would have been available for
his barrister AND the Judge to view - perhaps he gets
lesser charges and wouldn't have been in jail the last
few years.

... See? .... Once again, the conservatives want to see THE TRUTH
- while liberal lads - such as yourself - DON'T WANT people
to see what really happened.

WHAT?! ... No mention of "collusion" 'til after the election??
But SPYING on Trump and His campaign was going on.
And why? ... Because of claims that Trump was working with
Russia to sway the election. .... Did YOU miss that?

The Hillary FAKE "dossier" was used to try and FORCE
Trump out of office... OBama and Biden and Hillary surely used
James Comey for that... (See the Durham Report)

So YOU can try to spin and distort things in another
sad attempt to "re-write history" -- but the sad fact remains:

YOU and the liberals must cover from the CORRUPTION
of the FBI/DOJ and the Democrat party.
AS they surely continue to try to rig elections.

#### Salty

[Tigbitties38]

You're full of shit.
Provide an edited version and the correct version.

Your response is all bullshit. I included links for each point.
You included no links at all and continue to push lie after lie. Your word does not refute a link.
Why don't you include any links that show you aren't lying? You don't even read the links I include. You ask stupid questions and make claims that have been long debunked.
It's sad all right.
Again, just because you are wrong on these issues only means your Dunning-Kruger dominates your life.

You've given up on reality have lost the ability to prove anything you say.

The legal dominoes have started to fall. The judges are calling the defenses being offered by the trumpys what they are.
Total BS.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... How sad.

... let's start with the phone call - CNN has the cut and
edited one... That's usually what they show, anyway.

Case in point - WHY do all the media outlets you mention
get things SO WRONG? ... Take the Trump quip, for example.
You remember - the one from the limo?
Trump was asked His "secret for getting women"
and Trump replied - "Grab 'em by the pussy - they love it!"

WHY does CNN, MSNBC and the like continue to edit
Trump's responce there? Is it by design?

... I'll let YOU decide.

Pllease explain WHAT "lies and misinformation" came from
Tucker showing the 6th Jan footage.

What we DID see is the Shaman bloke - once called
"The Face of the Insurrection" - was NOT violent inside
the Capitol - he was surely led-'round like your
President Lincoln on the starship Enterprise.

... If onley THAT video would have been available for
his barrister AND the Judge to view - perhaps he gets
lesser charges and wouldn't have been in jail the last
few years.

... See? .... Once again, the conservatives want to see THE TRUTH
- while liberal lads - such as yourself - DON'T WANT people
to see what really happened.

WHAT?! ... No mention of "collusion" 'til after the election??
But SPYING on Trump and His campaign was going on.
And why? ... Because of claims that Trump was working with
Russia to sway the election. .... Did YOU miss that?

The Hillary FAKE "dossier" was used to try and FORCE
Trump out of office... OBama and Biden and Hillary surely used
James Comey for that... (See the Durham Report)

So YOU can try to spin and distort things in another
sad attempt to "re-write history" -- but the sad fact remains:

YOU and the liberals must cover from the CORRUPTION
of the FBI/DOJ and the Democrat party.
AS they surely continue to try to rig elections.

#### Salty