ID Check?

[Combustion]

So I logged into p411 and there is a new message on the screen. What is your opinion/stance on this Ladies and Gents?

Checking Identification. Update 07.27.10

Your Client Id is made up of small bits of "real" info that can be verified by the provider, by looking at a couple of pieces of identification carried in your wallet.

Example:
John-01-a-0000
"John" is a name showing on driver's license.
"01" is DAY of birth showing on driver's license.
"0000" is last four digits on something you carry in your wallet.

I often recommend that gentlemen temporarily cover the other private information with tape or whiteout, leaving only the photo, matching name, and DAY of birth (on driver's license) and last four digits (on something in wallet) for the provider to check. Of course, it's always a good idea to let the provider know you are going to cover the other information, in case her personal policy would not allow for this.

If you arrive at an appointment and refuse to show id to confirm you are the true account holder, you will be on the hook for the session fee and your P411 account suspended until the situation is resolved. This is not an option for any client member, although it is up to the provider whether she asks to see id or not (and I realize that MANY don't!).

We have a terrible problem with people "sharing" client ids, sometimes to book appointments and sometimes to rip the provider off, or worse. These situations are becoming more common, and can be easily prevented if the provider takes a moment to confirm that the person before her has identification to match the client id.

I strongly encourage the ladies to check identification to make sure it matches the client id, and we are seeing more and more ladies following through, so be prepared! If your client id doesn't currently match your identification as indicated above, please contact us and we can fix it.

Sincerely,
Gina

[dearhunter]

P411 just became worthless.........I am not showing any provider my real DL

[LeftySmith]

Hmmm... I'll show her mine just as soon as she shows me hers.

[GinaXXX]

It's nothing new, it's been the policy since day one of P411 and was clearly stated when every one of you initially created your client id.

If providers aren't able to make sure the person standing in front of them is the person who truly owns the client id, what's to stop you from sharing it with your buddies (or worse)? You could charge $20 each time they used it, save them the hassle of getting screened AND a few bucks. Hell, you could even put an ad on Craiglist! (and yes, that has been done)

Trust me guys, it happens.... a LOT. Too bad a few bad apples spoiled the bunch, but the bunch has been spoiled and the providers need an avenue to ensure they are dealing with the correct person.

On the other hand, I'm always open to suggestions. If you have a better idea, please feel free to post it. However, as long as it's possible for a client to give his client id and pw to another person, and that person is able to use that information to go through with an appointment, there is a major security flaw.

Checking identification can pretty much wipe that flaw out.

Try to look at it from the standpoint of someone who has been burned by a person using P411 client id that is not actually his. There are quite a few out there, unfortunately.... and I assure you those ladies make sure they check identification now.

Always,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

[Combustion]

I have no doubt its been there forever, but who really reads fine print?

The rotten eggs will always find a way to game the system. An ID can be faked, go to a flea market and you can get fake whatever you want. If you have problems with an id just ban him/her, the addition of an id check doesn't add security.

If you wanted you could also add a notes feature to Okays instead of just Yes/No like I think it is now this also has its own drawbacks though.

Although also not fool-proof this is what I put in my profile so theres no confusion.

I carry only cash and condoms (sometimes lube) to sessions, if you want to see an ID I will see someone else.

As for leaving the cash I would rather be banned from p411, its nice but I do NOT need it.

In place of ID, I will give you a description of myself here.

27 y/o white guy, short blonde hair, green eyes, 5'10 roughly 180

[ThatManFromTexas]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

P411 just became worthless.........I am not showing any provider my real DL

That's a good thing... they all think I'm you... showing your real DL would only confuse matters... but I do name drop my own ID...

[colels]

Perhaps some type of membership card? Photo would be unlikely, but I think most would be more reluctant to loan out an actual card. Something innocent sounding, "International Hospility Organization" or something along those lines. Along with ID Number & expiration date. There could be mailing issues, but easy enough to solve by using a business address, or a PO Box. Relatively easy to explain if found, & most are already concealing a hobby phone.

Maybe consider giving clients the option of registering a phone number (for those with hobby phones). Still not 100%, but better than just a number.

Discussion? Other ideas?

[boardman]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

It's nothing new, it's been the policy since day one of P411 and was clearly stated when every one of you initially created your client id.

If providers aren't able to make sure the person standing in front of them is the person who truly owns the client id, what's to stop you from sharing it with your buddies (or worse)? You could charge $20 each time they used it, save them the hassle of getting screened AND a few bucks. Hell, you could even put an ad on Craiglist! (and yes, that has been done)

Trust me guys, it happens.... a LOT. Too bad a few bad apples spoiled the bunch, but the bunch has been spoiled and the providers need an avenue to ensure they are dealing with the correct person.

On the other hand, I'm always open to suggestions. If you have a better idea, please feel free to post it. However, as long as it's possible for a client to give his client id and pw to another person, and that person is able to use that information to go through with an appointment, there is a major security flaw.

Checking identification can pretty much wipe that flaw out.

Try to look at it from the standpoint of someone who has been burned by a person using P411 client id that is not actually his. There are quite a few out there, unfortunately.... and I assure you those ladies make sure they check identification now.

Always,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

Who does it? Sharing their client ID? If it happens "a lot" as you say then you must know who the offenders are.
Cancel their account when they do this. Don't punish those of us that trust your service to protect our identities.
I'm with DH. P411 just became worthless to me if this is going to be considered the SOP.

[enderwiggin]

This would seem to be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There will always be those that try to game the system and they, for the most part, will get caught.

[boardman]

[CaptainQ]

Well, I have only been asked once for my ID, she glanced at it quickly and I seriously doubt she could remember anything past my name. I understand both sides of the issue and I try to take it into consideration. But for me, I don't think my risks are that great. Everyone is different, and I'm sure there are some where it matters more such as a well known name. I don't see how a provider can use the information in my DL against me . Anyone care to enlighten me to the risks?

[GinaXXX]

Who does it? Sharing their client ID?

For one, a client who got pulled over leaving an incall... as have many other persons in a more minor way.

If it happens "a lot" as you say then you must know who the offenders are. Cancel their account when they do this.

Obviously I cancel the accounts as soon as I find out, but that's always "after the fact".

An ID can be faked,

Absolutely, but it's a lot easier to share a Client Id if you don't need to get supporting identification made up. It's a hassle (and expensive) to get fake identification, which means few people who share Client Ids would bother.

There's never any guarantees, only ways to mitigate the risk.

Don't punish those of us that trust your service to protect our identities.

You are not being "punished", and I never EVER said that you have to share your private identity. Cover the truly private information with tape or whiteout before your meeting if you're worried about it, leaving only the photo, name and DAY (not date) of birth, so the provider can match it. Don't let her see your last name, entire DOB, DL number or ANYTHING else that could be used to identify you if you have any concerns.

I'm not doing this for shits and giggles. This is a way for the ladies to protect themselves BEFORE THE DAMAGE IS DONE by those few persons who have, and who will, share their P411 info.

As I've said before, if you can work around showing your identification with the provider you're going to meet, that's great! Most providers don't ask to see it, and those that do might be open to other ways of protecting herself from this problem.

However, if a provider gets busted by someone using a shared P411 Client Id, my answer to her will be "you should have checked his identification before anything."... and THEN I'll shut the shared account down.

If a session falls apart at the last minute because a client won't confirm he's the true holder of the P411 account, my answer will be "should have put tape over the other info and showed her your identification, now you are on the hook for wasting her time, she has every right to protect herself from those who shar Client Ids".

So guys, if you really want to fight about showing identification with the few providers who might ask.... I just suggest working something out with the provider beforehand, if possible. If it's not possible, don't complain to me. Figure it out on your own, you now know my policy.

I STRONGLY encourage the ladies to protect themselves by checking identification every time, always have and always will. Few listen to me, but as more and more get burned, more and more will. I'm just giving you guys the information, do with it what you will.

All the best,
Gina

www.preferred411.com

[boardman]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Trust me guys, it happens.... a LOT.
Gina

www.preferred411.com

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

This is a way for the ladies to protect themselves BEFORE THE DAMAGE IS DONE by those few persons who have, and who will, share their P411 info.


www.preferred411.com

So, is it a lot or a few? Or is it a few doing it a lot of the time?

[CivilBarrister]

I wonder how many guys RENT a car before going in for a session? Or park their car FAR FAR away so the provider can't see the license plate

If a provider wanted to get personal info on a guy, I am sure there are a number of ways it can happen.

I would have no problem showing a lady my id (for a QUICK glance) if she asked. I would not hand it to her, but put my fingers over everything but my picture, show her, then cover everything except the DAY of my birthdate.

It is much to do about nothing.

If the provider wants to make sure the guy she sees is REALLY the guy who sent her a note on p411, that is fine - it is all about MUTUAL comfort.

And if you aren't comfortable showing your id, MOVE ON.....who cares???

[Tobor the 8th Man]

I completely agree with CB and have shown my ID on the one occasion it was requested.

I think guys fear the thought of covering their DL's with whiteout. Guys, P411 never said we have to use a DL as ID. I use a little-utilized (but well known) card that enables me to easily hide the information I choose not to share while providing anyone clear identification that I am the person associated with this card.

I understand and appreciate this action by P411. I've found P411 a superb service thus far and given P411's professionalism I accept on Gina's post alone there is an issue and she is trying to address it.

However, I think Gina has made a serious mistake here in one of the lines:

"If you arrive at an appointment and refuse to show id to confirm you are the true account holder, you will be on the hook for the session fee and your P411 account suspended until the situation is resolved."

Gina, semantics are important in our world of electronic prose. One might infer that you are going to compel payment for situations where no service was rendered but where a client simply chooses not to provide information - an utterly unenforceable provision that in my opinion greatly oversteps the bounds of the fine services provided by P411.

May I suggest a rephrasing?

"If you schedule an appointment via P411 and upon arrival refuse to show identification to confirm you are the true account holder, please understand that your provider may exercise her right to refuse to see you. Also keep in mind that your provider has an obligation to report this to P411. Depending on the circumstances, P411 may suspend the account under which the appointment was made until the situation is resolved."

Gina, I'm pretty sure you just want the actual P411 account user to show up at someone's door, not try to turn P411 into a collection agency. I think my phrasing will give you the same "teeth" to your provision without making a p411 logo something providers would want to avoid.