Why isn’t Trump being tried in court for the invasion of the Southern Border?

[Tiny]

Incredible! Donald Trump has put the word out. He wants full credit for solving the border crisis, after he's elected president. Therefore, Republican Senators and Congressmen may not vote for any bipartisan bill now that would alleviate the crisis.

This is lunacy. Right now Biden and the Democrats are over a barrel. They're willing to stiffen up requirements and policies for asylum and parole for illegal aliens, because the television coverage of the teeming masses at the border is hurting them at the polls.

Republicans aren't going to have a chance like this again until such time as they simultaneously control the presidency, the House and the Senate. And there's about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening as long as Trump is the figure head of the Party.

Here's what Mitt Romney has to say about this:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...iation-vpx.cnn

And here's part of what the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board has to say:

(Republican Senators') window for a rare accomplishment is waning. Donald Trump is trying to torpedo any agreement, which could cause a GOP stampede away from a deal.

Public frustration over border failures is coming to a boil, and Mr. Trump is hoping to ride this back into the White House. Meanwhile, Speaker Mike Johnson is down to a hairline majority in the House, and he lives under daily threat of defenestration by members of his own party. Some House Republicans are demanding nothing less than their own preferred border bill, known as H.R. 2. That measure commanded no Democratic support in the House, and it won’t miraculously win over the Democrats needed to clear the Senate.

Yet giving up on a border security bill would be a self-inflicted GOP wound. President Biden would claim, with cause, that Republicans want border chaos as an election issue rather than solving the problem. Voter anger may over time move from Mr. Biden to the GOP, and the public will have a point. Cynical is the only word that fits Republicans panning a border deal whose details aren’t even known.

The GOP would also abandon the best chance in years to fix asylum law and the parole loophole that Mr. Biden has exploited. Mr. Trump while President in 2018 complained that such dysfunctions precluded him from fully restoring order to the border.

“The biggest loophole drawing illegal aliens to our borders is the use of fraudulent or meritless asylum claims,” he said in a speech while noting “the only long-term solution to the crisis” is “for Congress to overcome open borders obstruction.”

In other words, Mr. Trump—or whoever put this speech in front of him—used to understand that the President needs Congress to fix the underlying incentives at the border. Yet now Mr. Trump is whipping up Republicans against legal changes that would put him in a strong position to stop the migrant surge if he manages to defeat Mr. Biden in November.

Mr. Trump may imagine he can strike his own border deal if he wins, but that’s highly unlikely. Democrats are willing to discuss asylum and parole changes now because President Biden and Democrats are suffering in the polls from the ugly scenes on television. If Mr. Trump returns to Washington, the left will revert to its factory settings of opposing all Trump priorities. Especially if Mr. Trump sabotages a bipartisan deal now.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/republi...nion_lead_pos1

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Right now Biden and the Democrats are over a barrel. They're willing to stiffen up requirements and policies for asylum and parole for illegal aliens, because the television coverage of the teeming masses at the border is hurting them at the polls.

Is this really true? I read the same WSJ editorial today. My question to the WSJ is - what exactly is wrong with the GOP's preferred border bill, H.R. 2? Doesn't it "stiffen up requirements and policies for asylum and parole"? What exactly do the Democrats object to and why? Right now they are exploiting both provisions (asylum and parole) as legal loopholes to keep the border wide open.

That WSJ editorial already has almost 3500 (mostly disapproving) comments. After reading the two comments below, I've decided to wait until we know what is actually in any "compromise" bill before I criticize Trump for urging Republicans to reject it.


First comment:

"I just saw a clip... on YouTube. Here's what's in it:

1) Increase Green Cards by 50,000 a year

2) Work Permits for Adult children of H1-B holders

3) Immediate work permits to every illegal alien

4) Taxpayer-funded attorneys for illegal aliens

5) The border is open to all foreigners in unlimited numbers except if there are more than 5,000 per day for seven days in a row, then a limitation of 5,000 will be enforced on the 8th day. So, if 50,000 or 100,000, or 1,000,000 indigent foreigners jump the border for 7 days in a row, then on the 8th day they say they will limit it to 5,000 border jumpers. Then the unlimited illegal immigration starts up again the day after that.

6) Restricted parole for those who enter without authorization between ports of entry. "Restricted parole" means Biden has discretion about who will be paroled and released into the country, which will be most or all of them.

The Republicans will suffer if they sign onto that, once their voters find out what they did."


Second comment:

"Biden has distorted “legal parole” which requires a significant economic benefit to the US for each immigrant - a fact-finding being ignored - as a weapon to flood our country. Two years ago Biden starting flying in 30,000 Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans per MONTH and every single one of them are LEGAL immigrants under the concept of parole. This means that illegal immigration trackers completely ignore this deluge.

Further, anyone using the Biden App CBP One is deemed legally in the country under parole and outside the illegal immigration tracking numbers - some 1,500 people per day. Our immigration problem could in fact be three times worse than we even realize. NONE of the reporters at Fox are aware of this. No one at WSJ. No one in Congress explains this to us. We shouldn’t be passing another law here. Biden should be impeached for not following the law. Individual “substantial benefit“ fact-finding one by one is a prerequisite to using the legal concept of parole."

[Salty Again]

... Trump will be sending some of the illegals OUT next year.

No need for this silly "Border Deal" now.

... Biden can either close the border NOW, or face charges
for dereliction of duty - come next year when Trump Wins.

... Maybe Joe slips out of presecution for that, but he'll
surely be spending a lot of time in Court.

#### Salty

[eccieuser9500]

Tiny Tiny Tiny. I like it, I like it, I like it. Thread copping.

H.R.2 - Secure the Border Act of 2023

The invasion will come from the . . .

North.

[Levianon17]

Councilman Josh McBroom of Naperville, Illinois wants to start a program where by residents can sign up to house migrants. This is where the migrant crisis is headed.


https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/na...house-migrants

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Tiny Tiny Tiny. I like it, I like it, I like it. Thread copping.

H.R.2 - Secure the Border Act of 2023

Well, thank you for providing that link, eu9500!

According to your link, below are some of the provisions of H.R. 2, which Dems oppose. None of them look unreasonable to me.

Bottom line - The border crisis is out of control. At this point, it makes more sense to support counter-measures that may be too STRICT rather than too LENIENT.

Democrats start with H.R. 2 - and then seek to water down and make less effective every effort to regain control of our borders.

Democrats are the problem, not Donald Trump.


H.R. 2 Summary:


"This bill addresses issues regarding immigration and border security, including by imposing limits to asylum eligibility.

For example, the bill

1) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume activities to construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border;

2) provides statutory authorization for Operation Stonegarden, which provides grants to law enforcement agencies for certain border security operations;

3) prohibits DHS from processing the entry of non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) arriving between ports of entry;

4) limits asylum eligibility to non-U.S. nationals who arrive in the United States at a port of entry;

5) authorizes the removal of a non-U.S. national to a country other than that individual's country of nationality or last lawful habitual residence, whereas currently this type of removal may only be to a country that has an agreement with the United States for such removal;

6) expands the types of crimes that may make an individual ineligible for asylum, such as a conviction for driving while intoxicated causing another person's serious bodily injury or death;

7) authorizes DHS to suspend the introduction of certain non-U.S. nationals at an international border if DHS determines that the suspension is necessary to achieve operational control of that border;

8) prohibits states from imposing licensing requirements on immigration detention facilities used to detain minors;

9) authorizes immigration officers to permit an unaccompanied alien child to withdraw their application for admission into the United States even if the child is unable to make an independent decision to withdraw the application;

10) imposes additional penalties for overstaying a visa; and

11) requires DHS to create an electronic employment eligibility confirmation system modeled after the E-Verify system and requires all employers to use the system."

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Well, thank you for providing that link, eu9500!

According to your link, below are some of the provisions of H.R. 2, which Dems oppose. None of them look unreasonable to me.

Bottom line - The border crisis is out of control. At this point, it makes more sense to support counter-measures that may be too STRICT rather than too LENIENT.

The law is the problem. Haven't had much success finding what exactly is the problem. Just guessing here: broad brush?

I am reminded of a scene with Gene Hackman in this film. When you can sneak in with the flood, it's easy to hide what's getting through.

I get the problem. But the Texas solution is wrong.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by lustylad

11) requires DHS to create an electronic employment eligibility confirmation system modeled after the E-Verify system and requires all employers to use the system."[/I]

No more undocumented workers?

[Precious_b]

He's got to be nominated AND win.

Former or not, gives him no right to dictate to those in office. But let's face it, who he directed his wishes too are zombified sheeple with not even a vestibule spine.

The one sliver of light on an optimistic view is that both parties realize it is not going to be just one way. Bipartisanism is not a forbiden word.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Trump will be sending some of the illegals OUT next year.

No need for this silly "Border Deal" now.

... Biden can either close the border NOW, or face charges
for dereliction of duty - come next year when Trump Wins.

... Maybe Joe slips out of presecution for that, but he'll
surely be spending a lot of time in Court.

#### Salty

The last correct prediction you have made on political elections was in 2016.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The last correct prediction you have made on political elections was in 2016.

... And what a GRAND one it was, mate!

No doubt YOU and some o' the other fellows from the
olde site remember well...

'Course I was correct on the House winning back in 2022.

... Trump didn't cause the invasion... Biden did.
And Biden will be held to accounte for that next year!

#### Salty

[Tiny]

The House Republicans have about a snowball's chance in hell of getting everything they want on immigration, given that Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency. So why don't they get what they can? Like what McCarthy did in May of last year during debt ceiling negotiations. House Republicans managed to claw back $1.5 trillion in unfunded spending. And the claw backs weren't that controversial. Most moderate Democrats concerned about deficits and the national debt should have agreed with them.

There's a similar opportunity right now. Trump shouldn't try to nuke it. Perfect is the enemy of good, particularly when "perfect" is unattainable.

We don't know what's in the Senate bill yet, but I seriously doubt that it would be getting Republican support there if it provided something like citizenship for illegal immigrants.

And Republicans should be careful about what they wish for. It's possible that the majority of immigrants coming in now who are granted asylum and gain citizenship will vote Republican. Historically a majority of Cuban American and Vietnamese American citizens have voted Republican. Cubans and Venezuelans may represent a majority of asylum seekers right now, and I believe more will vote for Republicans than Democrats at such time as they're able to vote.

[oilfieldace]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Incredible! Donald Trump has put the word out. He wants full credit for solving the border crisis, after he's elected president. Therefore, Republican Senators and Congressmen may not vote for any bipartisan bill now that would alleviate the crisis.

This is lunacy. Right now Biden and the Democrats are over a barrel. They're willing to stiffen up requirements and policies for asylum and parole for illegal aliens, because the television coverage of the teeming masses at the border is hurting them at the polls.

Republicans aren't going to have a chance like this again until such time as they simultaneously control the presidency, the House and the Senate. And there's about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening as long as Trump is the figure head of the Party.

Here's what Mitt Romney has to say about this:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...iation-vpx.cnn

And here's part of what the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board has to say:

(Republican Senators') window for a rare accomplishment is waning. Donald Trump is trying to torpedo any agreement, which could cause a GOP stampede away from a deal.

Public frustration over border failures is coming to a boil, and Mr. Trump is hoping to ride this back into the White House. Meanwhile, Speaker Mike Johnson is down to a hairline majority in the House, and he lives under daily threat of defenestration by members of his own party. Some House Republicans are demanding nothing less than their own preferred border bill, known as H.R. 2. That measure commanded no Democratic support in the House, and it won’t miraculously win over the Democrats needed to clear the Senate.

Yet giving up on a border security bill would be a self-inflicted GOP wound. President Biden would claim, with cause, that Republicans want border chaos as an election issue rather than solving the problem. Voter anger may over time move from Mr. Biden to the GOP, and the public will have a point. Cynical is the only word that fits Republicans panning a border deal whose details aren’t even known.

The GOP would also abandon the best chance in years to fix asylum law and the parole loophole that Mr. Biden has exploited. Mr. Trump while President in 2018 complained that such dysfunctions precluded him from fully restoring order to the border.

“The biggest loophole drawing illegal aliens to our borders is the use of fraudulent or meritless asylum claims,” he said in a speech while noting “the only long-term solution to the crisis” is “for Congress to overcome open borders obstruction.”

In other words, Mr. Trump—or whoever put this speech in front of him—used to understand that the President needs Congress to fix the underlying incentives at the border. Yet now Mr. Trump is whipping up Republicans against legal changes that would put him in a strong position to stop the migrant surge if he manages to defeat Mr. Biden in November.

Mr. Trump may imagine he can strike his own border deal if he wins, but that’s highly unlikely. Democrats are willing to discuss asylum and parole changes now because President Biden and Democrats are suffering in the polls from the ugly scenes on television. If Mr. Trump returns to Washington, the left will revert to its factory settings of opposing all Trump priorities. Especially if Mr. Trump sabotages a bipartisan deal now.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/republi...nion_lead_pos1

Do you actually believe the bill Trump is against will solve the border cris? Up and until they build the wall and reinstate TrumpS border policies they have nothing. The numbers say Trumps policies were working, one of the very first things Biden did was do away with them. Trump knew what he was doing, not only at the border, the Middle East, the economy etc etc. HIS POLICIES WERE WORKING.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

Do you actually believe the bill Trump is against will solve the border cris?

Do you actually believe Trump knows what's in the bill? Or is he just trying to shut it down because it wasn't his idea? And because he believes it WILL help alleviate the border crisis. And that would hurt his chances in November?

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

Up and until they build the wall and reinstate TrumpS border policies they have nothing.

So where's the wall? Trump appropriated $15 billion for the wall. That's $7.7 million per mile. And only managed to finish 458 miles along a 1954 mile border. So make that $32.5 million per mile.

My rough estimate of the cost for two high barbed wire fences along the 1954 mile border, separated by 50 feet and with a landmine per square yard between is $3 billion. Less if you use labor from the other side of the border. A lot less if you don't plant mines. That doesn't include compensation to land owners, but that should be well under a billion if the feds use eminent domain liberally.

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

The numbers say Trumps policies were working, one of the very first things Biden did was do away with them. Trump knew what he was doing, not only at the border, the Middle East, the economy etc etc. HIS POLICIES WERE WORKING.

OK, yes, Biden did undo some of Trump's good policies. And Trump did a good job on foreign policy IMO, even though he was unconventional. I don't think Putin would have gone into Ukraine if Trump were president. And yes, the economy was doing well, in part because of the corporate tax cut and deregulation, up until COVID hit.

If he could control his mouth, didn't try to steal an election, hadn't screwed his customers, vendors, investors and banks when in private business, and wasn't a fan of trade wars, I'd vote for him instead of the Libertarian.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Do you actually believe Trump knows what's in the bill? Or is he just trying to shut it down because it wasn't his idea? And because he believes it WILL help alleviate the border crisis. And that would hurt his chances in November?



So where's the wall? Trump appropriated $15 billion for the wall. That's $7.7 million per mile. And only managed to finish 458 miles along a 1954 mile border. So make that $32.5 million per mile.

My rough estimate of the cost for two high barbed wire fences along the 1954 mile border, separated by 50 feet and with a landmine per square yard between is $3 billion. Less if you use labor from the other side of the border. A lot less if you don't plant mines. That doesn't include compensation to land owners, but that should be well under a billion if the feds use eminent domain liberally.



OK, yes, Biden did undo some of Trump's good policies. And Trump did a good job on foreign policy IMO, even though he was unconventional. I don't think Putin would have gone into Ukraine if Trump were president. And yes, the economy was doing well, in part because of the corporate tax cut and deregulation, up until COVID hit.

If he could control his mouth, didn't try to steal an election, hadn't screwed his customers, vendors, investors and banks when in private business, and wasn't a fan of trade wars, I'd vote for him instead of the Libertarian.