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Old 01-28-2014, 11:25 AM   #1
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A dear and wonderful client sent me an article from the Observer about a recent, maybe not so recent, phenomenon in NYC and other major metropolitan cities.

http:// observer.com/2013/01/the-lux...al-girlfriend/

Young, handsome, well to do men between the ages of 30 to 50 (who have their pick of beautiful, intelligent, and charming women) choose to date escorts. Why would men choose this option over the more traditional dating experience?

What do you think?
1) Is it more fun and less stressful to date an escort?
2) What kind of escort do you think qualifies as a rent-a-girl friend?
3) Do you think that all of the feelings of intimacy, connection, and affection be found with a companion?
4) Would you take your companion to dinner, drinks, a sporting event, dancing, on your vacation?
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http://observer.com/2013/01/the-luxu...al-girlfriend/
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:11 PM   #3
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good article........too bad Iwill never make over 80k
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:24 PM   #4
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I suppose this could serve some sort of purpose, but to me, the dating world and the hobby world are two separate things. In reality, these guys basically have an escort on retainer. If I consider myself and a woman to be "dating", it's with the underlying premise that it could turn into a long-term, potentially permanent relationship. That wouldn't happen with an escort.
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Old 01-29-2014, 09:15 PM   #5
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In some cases a date with a provider can be on par with the costs of some dates, such as a show and dinner, etc., so why not...at least you know you'll be satisfied at the end of the evening. That's the practical part.

The other part is dating a provider for that expression of uninhibited sex that may not "fit" into most conventional dating scenarios, especially in the early stages of a straight relationship. Going out on a first date with a new lady while super horny can sometimes affect one's better judgement. A provider can help relax that lump in your pants.
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Old 02-06-2014, 08:12 AM   #6
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Personally, I feel men see providers to reduce the hassle involved with dating. On a date, you never know what you'll get and many ladies use sex as a weapon to try to lure you in to a more serious relationship. I do believe that is why the majority of society frowns upon escorts. The ladies have something that the gentlemen want and they often make no bones about 'not being that kind of girl'. It is so much easier and cheaper to hire an escort. You know what you will get if you do your homework. It is written in the article that men feel good just being with a woman they know will say yes. That is quite true. For an hour or two or whatever amount of time I have secured, I feel like I am with someone that cares. While it is true that afterwards each of us goes our own way, there have been several occasions where I felt I had a girlfriend even though I knew differently. The article speaks of men who make more than 80,000. If you are on this board long enough, you realize that most of the men here are probably not in that category. Even so, the gentlemen feel the lack of hassle to get what they want is worth the price. The ladies often do quite well also. It is a win win situation. Those people who don't understand why gentlemen seek escorts obviously haven't been in the situation where the wife simply turns it off thinking sex is not important. They haven't been in the situation where trying, begging, pleading etc. etc. etc. gets no results. If you are married, this can also be especially dangerous. Now the article tells of young men who can have their choice in ladies. Let us get real. There are very few of such men. Most men consider it 'getting lucky' if they have an unpaid for encounter. Hiring ladies is a sure thing. My memory tells me that in Houston at one time all the massage parlors were brothels and most of the ladies in strip clubs offered extras. In addition, the Internet has made the availability of professional women transparent. No longer do you have to find out by word of mouth. A well to do gentlemen can have his choice. I doubt if there are any ladies reading this that have there mouths dropping open in disgust. The ones who 'aren't that kind of girl' don't read this blog. Right now, I am retired from the hobby. However, I knew why I did it.
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:31 AM   #7
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It is written in the article that men feel good just being with a woman they know will say yes... I knew why I did it.
Nice post Heinz.

I suspect the 'participation trophy' culture might have something to do with it. A lot of folks prefer to pay for something than work for it. I consider that a weakness that is unfortunately commonly accepted in our culture.

A lot of times in my hobby life I've considered my 'why' because I failed at the traditional manner. Now that I have an SO, and I am more used to hobbying, I don't consider it the same type of failure, but I am failing my partner when I indulge in some activities. Part of my why was also the thrill of street hunting, which is gone for me now.
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Old 02-18-2014, 07:39 PM   #8
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I fit the profile in the article to some extent. I'm not saying I have civie women falling all over me but I have options. I'm late 30's and been seeing providers for over a decade in addition to civie dating. Often it involves more than BCD. Some relationships are more like SB/SD (I won't try to muddy the waters too much with that tangent...I remember how much people here like beating that subject to death...)

Anyway, why? As the article points out often it is easier. Financially it can be similar to some dating relationships depending on how high maintenance your gal is. Time-wise and emotional drain there is no comparison.

If you are in a place where all you are really looking for is just good times why not?

In fact (maybe I'm rationalizing) I think in a way it is more honest and less emotionally damaging to her (civie girl) if all she is is a good time not a potential long term partner.
(and yes, I've have the talk up front about not looking for anything serious just fun but invariably it doesn't sink in for most that I really mean that.)
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I think there are lots of men who would date an escort. I have had many clients whom have told me they have done it, would do it again, or would do it. I believe there are lots of times when providers and clients feel a bond that could lead to an exclusive or even marriage and I know girls whom have been asked to be a wife and lived happily financially ever after.

Besides, you would never ever have to worry about anything being boring the bedroom, obviously providers are sexually over achievers compared to our civie competition lol.

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If you are in a place where all you are really looking for is just good times why not?

In fact (maybe I'm rationalizing) I think in a way it is more honest and less emotionally damaging to her (civie girl) if all she is is a good time not a potential long term partner.
(and yes, I've have the talk up front about not looking for anything serious just fun but invariably it doesn't sink in for most that I really mean that.)
This is spot on. It hurts pretty bad when you give it up and the guy never calls you again, I think every woman has been there done that. That is what society puts shame upon the most for women, Giving it up for nothing, not giving it up for something! lol Reality TV puts the women who have managed to marry wealthy on a pedestal, sending the gold digging message.

I would never voluntarily be a free friends with benefits under any circumstances. I consider that being made a fool out of lol. So I think the hobby is very respectful to the guy and the girl. Girl is compensated for being used as a sex object, Guy is rewarded for his compensation, doesn't have to worry about spending money on a girl who is not planning on giving him any goods.

I love this hobby because it is such a Win Win for everybody.

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Old 02-19-2014, 08:42 AM   #10
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A dear and wonderful client sent me an article from the Observer about a recent, maybe not so recent, phenomenon in NYC and other major metropolitan cities.

http:// observer.com/2013/01/the-lux...al-girlfriend/

Young, handsome, well to do men between the ages of 30 to 50 (who have their pick of beautiful, intelligent, and charming women) choose to date escorts. Why would men choose this option over the more traditional dating experience?

What do you think?
1) Is it more fun and less stressful to date an escort?
2) What kind of escort do you think qualifies as a rent-a-girl friend?
3) Do you think that all of the feelings of intimacy, connection, and affection be found with a companion?
4) Would you take your companion to dinner, drinks, a sporting event, dancing, on your vacation?
Interesting read. I don't quite fit the demographics, and I have never looked for that kind of situation, but I have found myself in that kind of situation with a half dozen or so ladies. It just evolved, and we never really talked about it until after it occurred.

I travel almost constantly, and much of the travel is to a handful of cities. In most of them I have--or had--a lady who fell into this description. First I became a regular as in I would see her each time I was in her town. Then a regular plus we'd call and spend time on the phone in between, talking as any friends would. Gradually the relationship changed to more a mix between friends and business. We'd throw some "real dates" in with the paid ones, most the paid ones became open ended overnights. Neither of us had any belief it would grow into a full fledged romance--in fact I would often be a sounding board for her to pick a guy's brain about what was going on with her real BF.

For me it was typically about the time I had (or more accurately, didn't have) to date. I hate trolling bars, and often I would only have a few days notice and then be in that city a week. Traditional dating doesn't generally fit those time lines.

So for my situation:
1. Yes, it's far less stressful than trying to establish a relationship in a day. And the ladies were all ones where we had some good chemistry and common interests, so yes, they were more fun--in and out of bed.

2. The ones that seem to work well (at least for me) are those that truly do this work as a second job that they enjoy. Typically they have a high-tempo "real job" and escort only a few evenings/weekends a month. They are bright and have a personality that fits into all sorts of outside situations (if all the time is spent in private that doesn't seem to fit your description of a rent-a-GF). Most felt they didn't have much time for a real serious relationship and this kind of thing allowed then to date without any pressure for a bigger commitment (I know I was not their only rent-a-BF in some cases).

3. With the right ones, absolutely.

4. ABSOLUTELY!! That is precisely what in my mind differentiates a rent-a-GF from an escort session. I would, and I have. Dinner is a given. Hiking, opera, philharmonic, movies, etc., are common. I did an Alaskan cruise with one, and a few weekends with others.



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I think there are lots of men who would date an escort. I have had many clients whom have told me they have done it, would do it again, or would do it. I believe there are lots of times when providers and clients feel a bond that could lead to an exclusive or even marriage and I know girls whom have been asked to be a wife and lived happily financially ever after.

I agree with you. I have seen it happen a number of times. I was even the fill-in father to give one lady away at her wedding because her parents had disowned her. But be prepared to have some guys claim this can never happen.
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From my experience with men the article is referenicing - they do not desire the demands of a traditional relationship.

These men see that an escort relationship is going to fulfill their current needs.

They seek less requirements and little obligation, it is what will allow the focus they feel is necessary in their careers.

Sometimes, I can definitely relate.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:56 PM   #12
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Two things to keep in mind.

First, she's seeing clients on the clock, CFS and maybe CBJ, at whatever her standard rate is, and then, off the clock, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, she's BBFSing some gangsta wannabe for free.

Second, as long as you tell yourself you'll never make over 80K, you never will.

Read "The Four Hour Work Week", by Tim Ferriss.
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Some gangster wanna be? Really? Rotffl. What relevancy was that comment? I'll wait....

Oh yeah to keep in mind. But really? And honestly if a chick is an escort I highly doubt any man is getting anything for free from her. But what do I know?

Lol some of the men on this board and their thoughts really are something
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Two things to keep in mind.

First, she's seeing clients on the clock, CFS and maybe CBJ, at whatever her standard rate is, and then, off the clock, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, she's BBFSing some gangsta wannabe for free.

Second, as long as you tell yourself you'll never make over 80K, you never will.

Read "The Four Hour Work Week", by Tim Ferriss.
I'll second Karrine's thoughts. I know MANY intelligent lovely ladies in this line of work who wouldn't even know where to find a gangsta wannabe.
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