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Old 07-31-2019, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default Hamza bin Laden, Son of Qaeda Founder, Is Dead

Hamza bin Laden, Son of Qaeda Founder, Is Dead

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/u...-al-qaeda.html

The United States had a role in the operation that killed the younger Mr. bin Laden, officials said. But other details, including where he died, remained unknown.


A video still showing Hamza bin Laden at his wedding was released in 2017 by the C.I.A.CreditCreditC.I.A., via Associated Press


By Julian E. Barnes, Adam Goldman and Eric Schmitt
July 31, 2019
  • WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden’s son Hamza bin Laden, who was viewed as an eventual heir to the leadership of Al Qaeda and had repeatedly threatened to attack the United States, is dead, according to two American officials.

Details of the strike that killed him were scarce, including when and where. The United States government played a role in the operation, but it was not clear how, according to the officials, who discussed his death on the condition of anonymity because it involved sensitive operations and intelligence gathering.

Mr. bin Laden was killed sometime during the first two years of the Trump administration, officials said. He was killed before the State Department announced a $1 million reward for information about his whereabouts in February, but American military and intelligence agencies had not confirmed his death by then.

Though Mr. bin Laden carried a prominent name and lineage, the news of his death represented more of a symbolic victory for the American government than the removal of a threat. Al Qaeda has not carried out a large-scale attack in years, and though Mr. bin Laden was being groomed to eventually take over the group, that time appeared to be well into the future.

After the 2011 death of Osama bin Laden in a SEAL Team 6 raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, two of his top lieutenants began preparing Hamza bin Laden for a top leadership role. He married a daughter of one of them and pledged to avenge his father’s death.

Mr. bin Laden was introduced as a voice of Al Qaeda in August 2015 as “a young lion to carry forth the cause.” The regular messages that Al Qaeda released from Mr. bin Laden stopped months ago, although an article attributed to him was published in May.

Mr. bin Laden was likely operating on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

While Mr. Joscelyn said he doubted that Mr. bin Laden was next in line to lead Al Qaeda, he said he had an important role, both in terms of ties to the Taliban and as a spokesman.
“They were building him up to potentially be the No. 1 someday; he was not thought of as the heir apparent today,” Mr. Joscelyn said.

President Trump was asked on Wednesday about the death, first reported by NBC News, but he declined to comment.

The location of Mr. bin Laden had been the subject of public speculation. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he and other members of Al Qaeda fled to Iran, where they were detained. He was eventually allowed to leave Iran, then reportedly moved with his family to the Pakistan border region. At one point, intelligence showed that he had traveled to Syria in the past several years, former officials have said.

The C.I.A. has devastated Al Qaeda, relentlessly targeting its operatives after 9/11. The agency killed another son, Saad bin Laden, in a drone strike in 2009 while he was operating in a remote area of Pakistan. Another son, Khalid, was killed in the 2011 Abbottabad raid.

The C.I.A. continues to hunt for Ayman al-Zawahri, who assumed the Qaeda leadership mantle after Osama bin Laden’s death. Former intelligence officials said the agency launched a sophisticated effort in 2012 and 2013 to determine whether he was living in a village in Pakistan’s troubled North Waziristan region. Agency operatives had high confidence they had located Mr. al-Zawahri but were never able to identify his exact location within the village, one former official said.

Mr. bin Laden appears to have worked closely with Mr. al-Zawahri, especially in maintaining ties to the Taliban in Afghanistan and shaping the organization’s message.

“If in fact he is dead, this makes the ranks of Al Qaeda’s senior leadership that much thinner and the connection to Osama bin Laden even more attenuated,” said Nicholas J. Rasmussen, a former director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

Even had he taken over for his father to lead Al Qaeda, Hamza bin Laden would have faced challenges as an untested leader. But his famous name would have been a boost to the terrorist organization.

“This hurts the Al Qaeda brand,” said Colin P. Clarke, a senior fellow at the Soufan Center, a research organization for global security issues. “Even though he was unproven and untested, that name still means a lot to young jihadis.”

Other key members of the organization remain alive, including Saif al-Adel and Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, who are wanted by the F.B.I. in the bombings of two United States embassies in East Africa in 1998. They are thought to be in Iran.

Mr. bin Laden’s time in Iran has been the subject of controversy, and the presence of Al Qaeda members in Iran prompted questions about what the Iranian government was doing with them. Iran is dominated by Shiite Muslims, whom the hard-line Sunnis of Al Qaeda see as heretics.

At times when the Al Qaeda officials were out of detention, Mr. Hoffman said, Iran allowed them to stay to ward off potential attacks from Al Qaeda. Both Iran and Al Qaeda also have the United States has a common enemy.

“It’s a marriage of convenience,” Mr. Hoffman said. Anything that Iran “can do keep the United States off balance,” he said, “they’ll do it.”

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other American officials have stressed ties between Al Qaeda and Iran in recent briefings to Congress. Concerned members of Congress from both parties have said that the administration officials are trying to lay the legal groundwork for any potential military action against Iran by arguing that the 2001 authorization of war against Al Qaeda or any of its allies would allow the United States to attack Iran.

Edward Wong contributed reporting.

Julian E. Barnes is a national security reporter based in Washington, covering the intelligence agencies. Before joining The Times in 2018, he wrote about security matters for the Wall Street Journal. @julianbarnesFacebook

Adam Goldman reports on the F.B.I. from Washington and is a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner. @adamgoldmanNYT

Eric Schmitt is a senior writer who has traveled the world covering terrorism and national security. He was also the Pentagon correspondent. A member of the Times staff since 1983, he has shared three Pulitzer Prizes. @EricSchmittNYT
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:25 PM   #2
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What took so long?
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:53 PM   #3
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Wtf, I'm still waiting to scratch al-Zawahri off the kill list. It's been almost 18 fucking years. Are we going to let that raghead POS die of natural causes?


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Old 07-31-2019, 05:57 PM   #4
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Wtf, I'm still waiting to scratch al-Zawahri off the kill list. It's been almost 18 fucking years. Are we going to let that raghead POS die of natural causes?


Judging from that picture, he’s not far behind Pelosi!
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:07 PM   #5
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Wtf, I'm still waiting to scratch al-Zawahri off the kill list. It's been almost 18 fucking years. Are we going to let that raghead POS die of natural causes?


Rag head POS? Whats Trump waiting for? Maybe you should invite him to one of your parties
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Rag head POS? Whats Trump waiting for? Maybe you should invite him to one of your parties

a two for one sale.






BAHHAAAAA
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:40 PM   #7
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It's so sad to the twit head supporters that he will never be in obama's class and have the glory of doing anything to be proud of...except telling non-whites to leave the country they were born in.

Guess that's what makes an ignorant racist redneck supporter proud.

Love their post though. They be posting 24/7 lol
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They are, Tsmokies. They are.
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It's so sad to the twit head supporters that he will never be in obama's class and have the glory of doing anything to be proud of...except telling non-whites to leave the country they were born in.

Guess that's what makes an ignorant racist redneck supporter proud.

Love their post though. They be posting 24/7 lol
Don't tell me you just got the "racist" memo...you got a lot of catching up to do!!
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They are, Tsmokies. They are.
So are you Post King.
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Have you got your "bags packed" for your vaca to Venezuela...I hear it's a socialist paradise. ENJOY!!
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I'm very skeptical that he's dead....


too many maybes in this story.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:36 PM   #13
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Looks like he died of natural causes.

Natural to the line of work he chose.
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I want to see pics. Especially of the father. I'm not taking the FBI/CIA/NSA 's word for shit.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:47 AM   #15
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Way too fishy.

Plus, if the US had killed him, don’t you think Voldemort would be tweeting his stubby little thumbs off?

Nope. Once you stroke the mighty orb ...
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