ACLU Calls Bullshit on Obama's Drone 'Due Process' Promises

[CuteOldGuy]

Do you still believe anything Obama says? You realize that when he speaks, he's lying. I hope so. Here's the ACLU on Obama's latest lies:

As Ed Krayewski noted yesterday, not everybody was impressed by President Obama's national security speech, in which he vowed to make himself be extra specially careful when raining death from the sky on suspected terrorists (and collaterally damaged civilians), including American citizens, with drones. Sen. Rand Paul may have been the pithiest, when he remarked, "I still have concerns over whether flash cards and PowerPoint presentations represent due process." At greater length, the American Civil Liberties Union also expresses some doubts that "Presidential Policy Guidance," whatever in hell that is, is the same as due process.

Says, in part, Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU:

To the extent the speech signals an end to signature strikes, recognizes the need for congressional oversight, and restricts the use of drones to threats against the American people, the developments on targeted killings are promising. Yet the president still claims broad authority to carry out targeted killings far from any battlefield, and there is still insufficient transparency. We continue to disagree fundamentally with the idea that due process requirements can be satisfied without any form of judicial oversight by regular federal courts.

President Obama tells us, "I do not believe it would be constitutional for the government to target and kill any U.S. citizen -- with a drone, or with a shotgun -- without due process," but his idea of "due process" still seems to involve little more than a concerned expression. After all, in the same speech he fretted that court oversight of drone use "raises serious constitutional issues about presidential and judicial authority" in a way that just unilaterally choosing assassination targets somehow doesn't, and that even "an independent oversight board in the executive branch ... may introduce a layer of bureaucracy."

Oh, and the ACLU isn't too impressed by Obama's vow to, eventually, transfer Guantanamo detainees elsewhere, either. While applauding the promise, Romero notes, "While the president expressed appropriate concern about indefinite detention, he offered no clear plan for ending this unconstitutional policy for those who have not been tried or cleared for release."

President Obama, the Drone Ranger.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/24/ac...mas-drone-spee

[Yssup Rider]

Actually, you calling ANYBODY a liar is flat out comical.

How about those 4,000 juvenile murders he committed?

Was that before, during or after Congress impeached Nixon?

you have no credibility you lying sack of shit.

[gnadfly]

So COG, you are saying there is there "there?"

My bet is that at least two of those four droned Americans weren't on Obama's Kill List, did not get due process, and the sycophantic press doesn't have the balls to press the issue.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Actually, you calling ANYBODY a liar is flat out comical.

How about those 4,000 juvenile murders he committed?

Was that before, during or after Congress impeached Nixon?

you have no credibility you lying sack of shit.

What is it with you and your lies about Nixon? First you said Nixon ordered the killings at Kent State (in another thread). Now you are saying that Congress impeached Nixon. BULLSHIT on both counts.

The House Judiciary Commitee sent articles of impeachment to the full House for consideration. But Nixon was not impeached by the House. He resigned before the full House took up consideration of the articles of impeachment.

You talk about "credibility". LMFAO!

[i'va biggen]

Why did Ford pardon him then?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

What is it with you and your lies about Nixon? First you said Nixon ordered the killings at Kent State (in another thread). Now you are saying that Congress impeached Nixon. BULLSHIT on both counts.

The House Judiciary Commitee sent articles of impeachment to the full House for consideration. But Nixon was not impeached by the House. He resigned before the full House took up consideration of the articles of impeachment.

You talk about "credibility". LMFAO!

COF said Nixon was impeached, Yssup is calling him a liar ... as usual, you chime in whthout knowing wtf youre talking about, Mr Credibility

[JD Barleycorn]

Think back.....it was a preemptive pardon. Remember the wording about the crimes. Nixon was pardoned for things that may have yet to come out. Ford, right or wrong, wanted it to end.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

COF said Nixon was impeached, Yssup is calling him a liar ... as usual, you chime in whthout knowing wtf youre talking about, Mr Credibility

LMAO! Yeah, I realized that after I posted what I did and it was to late to edit. That is what I get for posting after a night at the SC drinking. LOL.

I was gonna suggest that you explain to your butt buddy Eva why Ford issued his pardon to Nixon (he still apparently thinks Nixon was impeached) but I see JD already has done so.

[WTF]

Since when did you right wing nuts give a shit what the ACLU thought?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by WTF

Since when did you right wing nuts give a shit what the ACLU thought?

beat me to it

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Why did Ford pardon him then?

So that he would not be criminally prosecuted after he left office.

(And as painful as it may be, I should read the entire thread before posting.)

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

Since when did you right wing nuts give a shit what the ACLU thought?

Every time "it" thinks ... it is noteworthy and worthy of mentioning.

In fact, anytime a LEFT WING NUT thinks, it is sufficiently unique to make the news.

[CJOHN]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Every time "it" thinks ... it is noteworthy and worthy of mentioning.

In fact, anytime a LEFT WING NUT thinks, it is sufficiently unique to make the news.

Who is it? Can you please clarify, it bad grama and spelling ...do you think before you open your mouth or write.....anyother smartass ASSumption

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by WTF

Since when did you right wing nuts give a shit what the ACLU thought?

good one

[Randy4Candy]

gritsboy, don't worry about a thing. He's trying to turn it over to either to Congress or the military to do their job. Comforting, ain't it? Besides, all of your Teawipe underlings really are all about the ACLU.