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IronMan · 03-03-2010, 09:28 AM

I see many ads online lately on many sites offering sex for money!
Because anyone can see this site's ads including LE, maybe the ladies would think about it before posting such!
Legal Escort is allowed in many states, you can even file your IRS taxes on such a business and be legal at what you do!
However as an Escort you are selling your time for A fee, which is the procedure. If you and the client get along well, what is done behind closed doors between two consenting adults is private and not part of the fee!
However if you have posted an ad with sex offered for a fee then it is considered prostitution and illegal.
If a Player sees the lady with such an ad and he reviews her as giving her money for Sex in the review is he at risk?
We tend to feel that a review is a fantasy we wished happened, yet if what happened is what was offerred in the initial ad we might be at risk of exposure!
I realize that it is hard to arrest a fictitious screen name, however some of us get exposed as to who we are from time to time! Especially at socials.
Do the MODS need to edit these ads more or can the ladies be more aware of the exposure and the risks???
What are your thoughts on the subject?

Dasani · 03-03-2010, 09:53 AM

*shaking my head*
Most know better and don't do better.

Chevalier · 03-03-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

Legal Escort is allowed in many states, you can even file your IRS taxes on such a business and be legal at what you do!
However as an Escort you are selling your time for A fee, which is the procedure. If you and the client get along well, what is done behind closed doors between two consenting adults is private and not part of the fee!

To clarify:

It's legal IF the judge or jury believes that what is done (or intended) behind closed doors is not part of the fee. They probably wouldn't. A website disclaimer, and your self-serving testimony, would not likely be very persuasive.

Carry on.

IronMan · 03-03-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevalier

To clarify:

It's legal IF the judge or jury believes that what is done (or intended) behind closed doors is not part of the fee. They probably wouldn't. A website disclaimer, and your self-serving testimony, would not likely be very persuasive.

Carry on.

I assume you mean a review which is usually self serving would make things tougher to plead?
That I believe is my point. If the ad of a lady was for ESCORT service time for money only and your review said the same, then with what you wished had happened in the BCD would or could be considered a fantasy or a wish. It just seems if the ad and the review are saying the same we put ourselves at risk!
I think some of the Ladies are out on a limb with ads offering a sex act for a fee.
Examples such as;

$50.00 add on for Greek

Blow and go 1/2 HR $100

I swallow the whole thing for $250 per hour

For the protection of the site and the players should there be Mods with stricter delete buttons?

Chevalier · 03-03-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

I assume you mean a review which is usually self serving would make things tougher to plead?

No, that's not my point at all. I mean that even if the ads and reviews are cleaned up as you propose, that will offer minimal if any protection. If ads, reviews, websites, etc. all talk about nothing but time and companionship, a judge or jury is still going to conclude that the fee was really for sex. The "self serving testimony" I was referring to would be the lady or client, if they were arrested, telling the cops/prosecutor/judge/jury, "No, I wasn't engaged in prostitution. The $$$ was only for time and companionship."

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Originally Posted by IronMan

would or could be considered a fantasy or a wish

That's the self-serving part. They are not required to believe you when you say it was just a fantasy or a wish. And they won't believe you.

I have no problem with a clean up of ads and reviews. I just think it's ultimately futile. You won't convince anyone.

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In my case, of course, the self-serving testimony would be absolutely true. I do not engage in prostitution. I pay the ladies only for time and companionship. But I'm such a hunk that none of the ladies can resist having their way with me.

Dasani · 03-03-2010, 01:05 PM

FEI =(For everyones information)
They are going to bring everything and read it to the jury!
You will look like a prostitute if you have outragous things in your ads.
I will say I am one of the best and they tryed to use the fact that I give cheap rates.
Even with there being no Sexual service on the ad.

What she said was... What is a person that comes to your hotel room @1am (I think it was 1) going to do for $100 or $200 dollars?

Made the jury flip ...all I could do was *shake my head*
Those people are some of the best manipulators when it come to a promotion.
And I got luccky that the dirty cop could not say that I agreed or it could have been worse.

GOOD LUCK in court, because you will need it, if you go over board in ads. EOM

Chevalier · 03-03-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina A. Ross

They are going to bring everything and read it to the jury!

Not necessarily, if you have a good attorney. That would be hearsay, a statement made out of court and presented at trial for the truth of the statement. There are exceptions to, and ways around, the hearsay rule but the prosecutor may or may not be able to satisfy those exeptions. The rule is neither as impregnable a defense, at one extreme, nor as easy to get around, at the other extreme, as non-lawyers think.

jfred · 03-03-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina A. Ross

...You will look like a prostitute if you have outragous things in your ads.

I will say I am one of the best and they tryed to use the fact the I give cheap rates.

...Those people are some of the best manipulators when it come to a promotion.

You will look like a prostitute is you are caught exchanging money for sex.

It will be the same whether your rates are low or high. I doubt the fact that you are "one of the best" will ever be mentioned to the judge or jury (although they may increase one's fine for misspelling the past tense of try).

By "those people" do you mean county prosecutors? Did they manipulate evidence in the attempt to prove you are a prostitute? Hmm...but you ARE a prostitute, dear.

I can't visualize any situation where LE makes an arrest and presses charges based upon what is written in anyone's ad. There are dumb things that folks do that increase their chances of apprehension but explicit ads have to be near the bottom of the list.

Law enforcement focuses on visible prostitution, usually in response to public complaints or pressure. One gets arrested by specifying (or responding to in the affirmative) a combination of naming a sex act, specifying an amount and agreeing on a time and place in the presence or hearing of a police officer.

If you'll stay off the streets, venture out sober, get references, don't carry or purchase drugs while practicing, walk away when you're scared, and screen, you'll be okay.

Dasani · 03-03-2010, 02:24 PM

Sweetheart I had a Judge from the City and a Veteran that was running to be a Judge as my attorneys. They were great, honestly I was in Houston the court system is not even the same in Dallas I know I have been there too. When you get to court you can have what-ever attorney if the Judge allow the evidence he or she allow it. And in this business the Judge tend to want to hear what the ad said also. MHO EOM

Oh I missed something.... I'm the Founder, CEO trademark & employee for my company and proudly pay my taxes with a Federal tax ID #.... sorry no prostitute here. I'm a real Entertainer with contracts to prove it.

Chevalier · 03-03-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina A. Ross

Oh I missed something.... I'm the Founder, CEO trademark & employee for my company and proudly pay my taxes with a Federal tax ID #.... sorry no prostitute here. I'm a real Entertainer with contracts to prove it.

That provides you protection against charges of tax evasion, not against charges of prostitution. Ditto for the contracts.

Look, realistically, if you're careful you should be safe. But the idea that contracts or federal tax ids or a less explicit ad would be some sort of ironclad guarantee is naive.

Dasani · 03-03-2010, 02:54 PM

Ok ... I'm an Entertainer.... model, up & coming star. I am NOT in the same category as most because of how I run my company .....

Sorry still not an illegal prostitute.

Chevalier · 03-03-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina A. Ross

Ok ... I'm an Entertainer.... model, up & coming star. I am NOT in the same category as most

If you say so.

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Originally Posted by Nina A. Ross

because of how I run my company

No. Whether you're breaking that law is determined by what you do, not how you run your company. You can call yourself an entertainer or a model, you can get a federal tax id and pay taxes, you can incorporate . . . but if you receive money and you provide sex, none of that matters.

If you believe otherwise, you're listening to very bad legal advice.

Dasani · 03-03-2010, 03:06 PM

EOM sorry....

GneissGuy · 03-03-2010, 03:54 PM

Unfortunately, in our system, you're guilty until proven innocent.

You're also guilty until proven you can afford a good lawyer.

You're not safe even if you actually are only selling your time and company, and never do anything else.

Of course, if your web site says "I'm offering sex for money," that hurts your case.

The question is how badly do they want to push the issue and what can they catch you doing? How much are they willing to lie? You can improve your odds but you can't be safe.

Tiffani Jameson · 03-03-2010, 10:01 PM

I wouldn't advise a lady to apply for a legal escort license, as you do nothing but bring more attention to herself and the industry. You're doing nothing but subjecting yourself to automatic stings in some places. Plus there are only a handful of places that offer this license, and to the traveller it's irrelevant.

I will agree with jfred, as the legalization of one's self in this industry is not necessary if a lady is careful.

I am also in agreeance with Nina, as it is legal to start a business as an adult entertainer everywhere in the US. I know Nina personally, and that is EXACTLY what she does. She is an adult entertainer, and that is her job. Beyond porn stars, few ladies take the initiative she has to become her own brand.

I also agree with Ironman. The problem is, you're advertising amongst those whose posts blatantly advertise sexual acts. Even if your ads are clean, in a sting, you're just one of the bunch. I saw on a site where people who were busted, both men and women, share how it all went down, and ladies who were LMT's, fully clothed, were carted off to jail just for accepting the bait. And it looks like we agree that if your case is taken to trial, no amount of disclaimers or claims of 'fantasy' reviews, it will not save you from judges' opinions.

The bottom line to this is Ladies, please screen, screen, screen.