What happened to the Green New Deal?

[Tiny]

All the top Democratic presidential candidates support the Green New Deal. And they're all chartering private jets when they could take commercial flights --

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ne-travel.html

Do these people really believe the extreme measures they're proposing? But since they're political elites they shouldn't apply to them?

Or are they just pandering to win the Democratic nomination for president?

Those of us who live in Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma should hope it's the later, as they all say they want to put the USA oil and gas industry out of business.

[bambino]

AOC is keeping it in hiding.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

All the top Democratic presidential candidates support the Green New Deal. And they're all chartering private jets when they could take commercial flights --

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ne-travel.html

Do these people really believe the extreme measures they're proposing? But since they're political elites they shouldn't apply to them?

Or are they just pandering to win the Democratic nomination for president?

Those of us who live in Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma should hope it's the later, as they all say they want to put the USA oil and gas industry out of business.

I believe it is both. I don't think there is any question that the far left has had a big influence on the more moderate or use to be more moderate Democrats like Biden is often said to be.


You mention 3 of the more well known oil and gas producing states but since fracking started states like Penn. and Ohio, two swing/ important electoral states with Penn. having in the neighborhood of 400,000 jobs related to fracking. Joe Biden was asked in a recent debate if he was willing to do away with hundreds of thousands of jobs in order to institute the Green New deal and he said YES. I don't know how well that will play in Penn. or Ohio or West Virginia.


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...om-state-state


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brook...s-of-fracking/


The U.S. fracking revolution has caused natural gas prices to drop 47 percent compared to what the price would have been prior to the fracking revolution in 2013.



Gas bills have dropped $13 billion per year from 2007 to 2013 as a result of increased fracking, which adds up to $200 per year for gas-consuming households. Moreover, all types of energy consumers, including commercial, industrial, and electric power consumers, saw economic gains totaling $74 billion per year from increased fracking.


And many if not all the Democrat candidates say they will push federal bills to ban all fracking costing consumers and jobs.

[gnadfly]

It's a scam. The Dims are selling a socialist pipedream to their low information voters with the intention of keeping them on the plantation.

Cake for me and not for thee.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

I believe it is both. I don't think there is any question that the far left has had a big influence on the more moderate or use to be more moderate Democrats like Biden is often said to be.


You mention 3 of the more well known oil and gas producing states but since fracking started states like Penn. and Ohio, two swing/ important electoral states with Penn. having in the neighborhood of 400,000 jobs related to fracking. Joe Biden was asked in a recent debate if he was willing to do away with hundreds of thousands of jobs in order to institute the Green New deal and he said YES. I don't know how well that will play in Penn. or Ohio or West Virginia.

Good points. The irony is that the natural gas production from Pennsylvania, Ohio and other places has greatly reduced carbon emissions, as gas has replaced coal for power generation. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would outlaw fracking in their first terms. Nut cases! What are we going to do, start importing coal, fuel oil and LNG from other countries? And how about the oil. We'll go back to being reliant on the Middle East again. So we better ramp up our military presence there.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Good points. The irony is that the natural gas production from Pennsylvania, Ohio and other places has greatly reduced carbon emissions, as gas has replaced coal for power generation. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would outlaw fracking in their first terms. Nut cases! What are we going to do, start importing coal, fuel oil and LNG from other countries? And how about the oil. We'll go back to being reliant on the Middle East again. So we better ramp up our military presence there.

The really good point is that fracking....not Trump is the reason for our economic resurgence.

The green energy will come when it proves feasible....the dumbass Warren types want to rush it in. EV cars are getting close to a tipping point of technology innovation battery wise.

But back to my point...Trump is trying to take credit for something he had not part in.

Previously Presidents had to worry about ME oil and how that region could influence oil prices and thus elections in this country. Ni more.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by WTF

The really good point is that fracking....not Trump is the reason for our economic resurgence.

The green energy will come when it proves feasible....the dumbass Warren types want to rush it in. EV cars are getting close to a tipping point of technology innovation battery wise.

But back to my point...Trump is trying to take credit for something he had not part in.

Previously Presidents had to worry about ME oil and how that region could influence oil prices and thus elections in this country. Ni more.

Fracking is just another means of extracting billions of barrels of oil from the Earth’s crust. Where President Trump can take credit is he allows it. It’s really that simple.

The main reason OAC and the rest of her followers have shut up about the whole green thing is simple. Somebody finally told them that the first order of business is to get elected. Then you can spring all of your socialistic ideas on the electorate.

Fossil fuel energy is not going anywhere anytime soon. The alternatives simply do not produce enough power to satisfy the needs of a modern society.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Tiny

....But since they're political elites they shouldn't apply to them?

Or are they just pandering to win the Democratic nomination for president? ....

The actual mantra is:
vote for me
vote for me
vote for me

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Where President Trump can take credit is he allows it. It’s really that simple.

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Simply total Bullshit. Fracking was around way before Trump even entered the race.

It has taken time to get all the pipelines and infrastructure in place. They are still building refineries in Mont Belvieu where they fractionate and store LPG.

Trump was for for silly as fuck shell oil pipeline from Canada.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Joe Biden was asked in a recent debate if he was willing to do away with hundreds of thousands of jobs in order to institute the Green New deal and he said YES. I don't know how well that will play

He walked that back.

Biden will not win WV or Ohio but he has to win Pennsylvania.

It is way to early to say if he will or even if he can secure the nomination. I hope he does and picks Amy as a running mate.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by WTF

Simply total Bullshit. Fracking was around way before Trump even entered the race.

It has taken time to get all the pipelines and infrastructure in place. They are still building refineries in Mont Belvieu where they fractionate and store LPG.

Trump was for for silly as fuck shell oil pipeline from Canada.

If politicians get blamed when we run out of oil, then they should get some credit when we don't. The bad guys oppose fossil fuels and Trump supports it. Naturally we would build pipelines in Texas no matter what the Feds wanted.

We now have plentiful supplies and the infrastructure in place for energy dominance but the Green New Deal lefties wish to destroy the fossil fuel industry. For that ill advised effort, they should be voted out of office.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

All the top Democratic presidential candidates support the Green New Deal.

She's stumping for the Socialist candidate in Iowa, who is now ahead of BriberyBiden in the most recent polls ... and the Fake Indian!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by friendly fred

We now have plentiful supplies and the infrastructure in place for energy dominance but the Green New Deal lefties wish to destroy the fossil fuel industry. For that ill advised effort, they should be voted out of office.

They want to slow the pollution of the planet. I have no problem with that.

Without people like that all our rivers would be like Love Canal. Not your nast Love Canal butthole but the real Love canal

As usual both extremes need tampered from the middle.

[Tiny]

Actually Obama took credit for the increase in USA oil and gas production engendered by fracking too. Which is fine in my book, whether it was true or not. It shows he had some appreciation for the industry. Unfortunately the Democratic Party is a far cry now from what it was then, in terms of its hostility towards American oil and gas producers.

In general, I give Trump a lot of credit for reducing the regulatory burden on business. In oil and gas drilling and production though he might have undone some of Obama's changes that were for the better. Specifically Obama had rules that applied only to federal land, to try to ensure integrity of casing, absence methane leaks, and disclosure of frac chemicals. That makes sense IMHO. Sanders and Warren on the other hand would shut off fracking on federal lands, stop issuing federal leases, and try to ban fracking on private lands in their first terms. And they probably could do whatever they want on fed lands regardless of Congress' wishes.

WTF argues for balance, which makes sense. If the industry shows it's responsible, it's more likely it won't have problems in continuing to produce oil and gas here in the USA. And you need some regulations or the bad players in the industry will fuck that up.

However, WTF, as to your belief that oil pipelines shouldn't be built from Canada, I totally don't get that. You can have Canadian producers ship their oil to the USA, where it will be refined and consumed here and exported. Or you can have them ship it across western Canada to China and Asian countries. It's best for our economy and our energy security to have the oil come through the USA.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

Biden will not win WV or Ohio but he has to win Pennsylvania.

It is way to early to say if he will or even if he can secure the nomination. I hope he does and picks Amy as a running mate.

That would not be a bad outcome, IF the Republicans maintain control of the Senate. Biden is being driven by the left wing of his party on issues related to oil and gas and taxation, in ways that would hurt the country. On the other hand, he'd have a better trade policy than Trump.