gun control other countries

[VitaMan]

Every time one of these horrific shootings happens, there is mention shootings don't happen in other countries like they do in the USA.


Who is knowledgeable about this, and the studies that have shown these results and their conclusions ?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Maybe you could do that on the internets yourself. Write your copious findings up in the TL;DR style and have it be ignored. Good times!

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Every time one of these horrific shootings happens, there is mention shootings don't happen in other countries like they do in the USA.


Who is knowledgeable about this, and the studies that have shown these results and their conclusions ?

[Chung Tran]

Look at the Company we are in...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ate-by-country

9 shithole Countries, and us.

Why do we choose to swim in the same shit? We don't have to. For whatever reason we CHOOSE to.

[VitaMan]

If possible, try to keep useless posts like WYID posted to a minimum.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Look at the Company we are in...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ate-by-country

9 shithole Countries, and us.

Why do we choose to swim in the same shit? We don't have to. For whatever reason we CHOOSE to.

we aren't. you misread that.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Murder Rates (per 100k people) in 2017:*

1. El Salvador (61.7)
2. Honduras (41.0)
3. Venezuela (49.9)
4. United States Virgin Islands (49.3 [2012 data])
5. Jamaica (56.4)
6. Lesotho (43.6 [[2016 data]] per 100k people)
7. Belize (37.8)
8. Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.5 [2016 data])
9. Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.1 [2012 data])
10. South Africa (35.7)

Here are the 10 countries with the highest homicide rates:

1. El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
2. Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
3. Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
4. Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
5. Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
6. Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
7. Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
8. South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
9. Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
10. Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)

United States 4.96 16,214 2018

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

If possible, try to keep useless posts like WYID posted to a minimum.

Try to keep lazy and useless fishing expedition OPs to a minimum.

[Chung Tran]

Yeah, misread, and the graph was poorly portrayed.

But the US has 109 gun murders per day, on average. That's about 100 more than we should be comfortable with.

[bb1961]

Most of them in Chicago...

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

I propose inventing three things to revolutionize the world:
1) Search engine, 2) Recycling, 3) Cut-n-Paste

These will increase productivity and avoid the same topics repeatedly, plus it is carbon friendly and likely PITA approved (beating dead horse syndrome).

World GUN CONTROL

For those libs out there who blame GUNS for crime and bad things.

A Few Words On Gun Control for all the Lunatics (You Know Who You Are)

A Gun Grab is the Best Way to Enslave Americans

Who Needs the Second Amendment?

Texas - We know how to deal with shooting attacks

Gun Running: Fast and Furious

Mayor Bloomberg: Lets blame guns

My money's on joe bloe

Bob Costas; idiot, hack, fool, jerk, all of the above?

Think of all those helpless electrons we can save from slaughter...

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Yeah, misread, and the graph was poorly portrayed.

But the US has 109 gun murders per day, on average. That's about 100 more than we should be comfortable with.

The bottom line is America doesn't have the Murder rate based on gun ownership as people may think. The graph you posted is overall murders. It's not exclusively based on gun violence.

[HedonistForever]

I don't know the exact numbers but I do know the facts and the facts are, that only a small, a very small number of gun crimes, violent, purposeful gun crimes are done by a relatively few people who if left free, will continue to commit gun crimes.


One of the latest incidents on a New York subway, demonstrates this. The shooter had been arrested 19 times and was still walking the streets. In what sane universe would we allow a repeat offender to keep repeat offending?



So here is the solution. Keep violent offenders in prison! OMG! what a simple solution. Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago, the very last person in this country you would want an opinion/ solution from says "we can't "lock up "our way out of this problem". Of course you can and it may be the only solution since we are not going to rid ourselves of over 300 million guns that now exist and we are coming into an age where people can make guns with 3D printers.



Fuck the 3 strikes law, how about a one strike law. Now, will that solve every gun problem, of course not because preventing the first act is much harder than preventing the second act. The first act would require confiscating guns and that ain't going to happen. But if all you get in this life is one strike, how long do you think it would take to get those relatively few people who continue with these ant-social acts of violence?


Go to any police department in this country and they could instantly produce a list of the worst offenders in their town or city. The same people committing crime time after time.


We arrest a person 18 times and wonder if they will offend again? Are we really that stupid? That was a rhetorical question because obviously we are.


First, we need a new set of laws ( yes I know this is impossible in this day and age in this country right now ) where as, if a gunman is caught at the scene of a crime and there is no doubt what so ever that they are responsible, after a very short trial, is put to death. We should be executing hundreds if not thousands of people every year in this country but not those that are found guilty by flimsy, one person eye witness types where mistaken identity could be a factor, police misconduct etc. If there is no doubt at all who pulled the trigger, that person should be executed. The rest if found guilty of committing a felony with a gun, will be given a sentence commensurate to what happened differentiating between no one being hurt and some one being hurt.


You wave a gun around in a robbery, you get less time ( but plenty of it ) than if you fire that gun. You fire that gun and it will be considered the same as killing a person with that gun.


But only those with no doubt what so ever because they were caught at the scene, shall be executed. With all the people who have been released from jail because of faulty identification and police misconduct, we should not be executing them but life in prison with the possibility of release if future evidence exonerates them.


Yes, this would mean that the US would be the largest "incarcerator" in the world most likely but that is the price we will have to pay for being the freest country in the world where the law abiding citizen can legally buy a gun for protection and not be at the mercy of non law abiding people.


To many bleeding hearts which has always been the problem here. How long would it take before the lesson is learned. You decide to pick up a gun, not for self protection but to commit a crime and you have lost your chance to remain free regardless of the color of your skin or your mental fitness. I know that last one will be continuous but I really don't care because I put the value of the many over the one.

[VitaMan]

What about other countries ? That is the question and discussion for this thread.

[bb1961]

We need to outlaw cars also...more than 90 people dying in car accidents every day!! Start a thread about car accident in other countries VM!! Would a gang related drive-by be considered a gun fatality or car accident??

Car Accident Statistics – Highlights
Over 40,000 fatal car accidents per year in the U.S.
Each day, more than 90 Americans die in car accidents.
On average, 2 million drivers experience a permanent injury every year.
Almost 8,000 people are killed in traffic accidents involving drivers aged 16-20.
The most common causes of death on the road are drunk driving (40%), speeding (30%), and irresponsible driving (33%).
Some 58% of fatal car accidents involve only one vehicle, and 38% are caused by a traffic collision.
When it comes to fatal car accidents by state, most occurred in Texas and California during 2018.
According to the statistics, most fatal injuries happen during weekends.
Each year, more than 1,600 children younger than 15 die in traffic accidents.

[VitaMan]

Another useless post that doesn't address the thread topic

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

I don't know the exact numbers but I do know the facts and the facts are, that only a small, a very small number of gun crimes, violent, purposeful gun crimes are done by a relatively few people who if left free, will continue to commit gun crimes.


One of the latest incidents on a New York subway, demonstrates this. The shooter had been arrested 19 times and was still walking the streets. In what sane universe would we allow a repeat offender to keep repeat offending?



So here is the solution. Keep violent offenders in prison! OMG! what a simple solution. Mayor Lightfoot of Chicago, the very last person in this country you would want an opinion/ solution from says "we can't "lock up "our way out of this problem". Of course you can and it may be the only solution since we are not going to rid ourselves of over 300 million guns that now exist and we are coming into an age where people can make guns with 3D printers.



Fuck the 3 strikes law, how about a one strike law. Now, will that solve every gun problem, of course not because preventing the first act is much harder than preventing the second act. The first act would require confiscating guns and that ain't going to happen. But if all you get in this life is one strike, how long do you think it would take to get those relatively few people who continue with these ant-social acts of violence?


Go to any police department in this country and they could instantly produce a list of the worst offenders in their town or city. The same people committing crime time after time.


We arrest a person 18 times and wonder if they will offend again? Are we really that stupid? That was a rhetorical question because obviously we are.


First, we need a new set of laws ( yes I know this is impossible in this day and age in this country right now ) where as, if a gunman is caught at the scene of a crime and there is no doubt what so ever that they are responsible, after a very short trial, is put to death. We should be executing hundreds if not thousands of people every year in this country but not those that are found guilty by flimsy, one person eye witness types where mistaken identity could be a factor, police misconduct etc. If there is no doubt at all who pulled the trigger, that person should be executed. The rest if found guilty of committing a felony with a gun, will be given a sentence commensurate to what happened differentiating between no one being hurt and some one being hurt.


You wave a gun around in a robbery, you get less time ( but plenty of it ) than if you fire that gun. You fire that gun and it will be considered the same as killing a person with that gun.


But only those with no doubt what so ever because they were caught at the scene, shall be executed. With all the people who have been released from jail because of faulty identification and police misconduct, we should not be executing them but life in prison with the possibility of release if future evidence exonerates them.


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Your solution isn't ''easy''. I agree with your position. I believe (based on what I have seen presented), that I am the toughest crime punishment advocate here.

But the Buffalo and Uvalde mass Murderers had spotless records.