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Old 06-28-2012, 09:29 AM   #1
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Default Good news for our ladies!

I think this topic warrants being in the coed forum.

To: HEALTH, LEGAL AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL EDITORS
SAN FRANCISCO, June 28, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire
"Today the United States Supreme Court delivered a huge victory to nationwide efforts to establish a health care system that works for everyone... in the United States. By upholding the Affordable Care Act (ACA), today's decision delivers on the promise of health care for more than 30 million uninsured Americans. The historic ruling also upheld long-overdue protections for people with HIV and other chronic diseases, including safeguards against denial of coverage or exorbitant premiums for the especially sick, and annual and lifetime coverage limits for people with costly medical conditions.
"For the first time in the history of the epidemic, the ACA will dramatically expand health care access to people previously considered 'uninsurable,' including millions of Americans with HIV/AIDS and other serious illness," said Neil Giuliano, CEO of San Francisco AIDS Foundation. "Today, we move one step closer to having a health care system that supports access to care and treatment that prevent illness and disease progression, rather than a 'sick care system' that promotes disability and illness by limiting coverage options."
The Affordable Care Act will address the failings of the current health care system by expanding Medicaid to all low-income people, creating open, competitive, fair marketplaces for uninsured and underinsured individuals and families to purchase private insurance, and providing subsidies to lower-income individuals to make insurance affordable..."

I believe this is excellent news for the ladies, many of whom, because of the nature of their employment, I speculate do not have affordable health care coverage and as a consequence often wait until they're very ill before seeking costly medical care. By extension, this is good news for clients as well. Healthy providers who can take advantage of affordable preventive health care will pass those advantages on to us in our encounters.

Congratulations to us all for this historic, landmark decision.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:31 PM   #2
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This is NOT good news.

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Old 06-28-2012, 02:43 PM   #3
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This is NOT good news.

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Would you care to elaborate, my dear?
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:44 PM   #4
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Is being a giant dick considered "other serious illness?"

I thinck dawn may be referring to the concept of "What has the government not fucked up?" I may be wrong.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:55 PM   #5
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"What has the government not fucked up?"
Amen.
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Translation...Bottom Line: People are still fucking, are going to continue to do so, and many times unresponsibly (outside of the hobby mainly, i.e. RL). So, in other words, the majority will be a fucking disaster so let's get ahead of the curve and "cover" their asses (as well as the 'innocent')...will be less expensive long-term...IMHO

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I think this topic warrants being in the coed forum.

To: HEALTH, LEGAL AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL EDITORS
SAN FRANCISCO, June 28, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire
"Today the United States Supreme Court delivered a huge victory to nationwide efforts to establish a health care system that works for everyone... in the United States. By upholding the Affordable Care Act (ACA), today's decision delivers on the promise of health care for more than 30 million uninsured Americans. The historic ruling also upheld long-overdue protections for people with HIV and other chronic diseases, including safeguards against denial of coverage or exorbitant premiums for the especially sick, and annual and lifetime coverage limits for people with costly medical conditions.
"For the first time in the history of the epidemic, the ACA will dramatically expand health care access to people previously considered 'uninsurable,' including millions of Americans with HIV/AIDS and other serious illness," said Neil Giuliano, CEO of San Francisco AIDS Foundation. "Today, we move one step closer to having a health care system that supports access to care and treatment that prevent illness and disease progression, rather than a 'sick care system' that promotes disability and illness by limiting coverage options."
The Affordable Care Act will address the failings of the current health care system by expanding Medicaid to all low-income people, creating open, competitive, fair marketplaces for uninsured and underinsured individuals and families to purchase private insurance, and providing subsidies to lower-income individuals to make insurance affordable..."

I believe this is excellent news for the ladies, many of whom, because of the nature of their employment, I speculate do not have affordable health care coverage and as a consequence often wait until they're very ill before seeking costly medical care. By extension, this is good news for clients as well. Healthy providers who can take advantage of affordable preventive health care will pass those advantages on to us in our encounters.

Congratulations to us all for this historic, landmark decision.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:29 PM   #7
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It is the 3rd leg of the Socialist stool. I hope I don't need any more procedures before Obama declares me not worthy to treat. Death Panels are real and already in place. Notice all the recent news about PSA and Mamograms not being needed anymore? You bought the whole lie Hook, Line and Sinker. LOL
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Would you care to elaborate, my dear?
I don't feel like it, sorry.

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Old 06-29-2012, 02:02 PM   #9
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It is the 3rd leg of the Socialist stool. I hope I don't need any more procedures before Obama declares me not worthy to treat. Death Panels are real and already in place. Notice all the recent news about PSA and Mamograms not being needed anymore? You bought the whole lie Hook, Line and Sinker. LOL
That's funny. During my entire military career and on into my retirement, my family and I have been beneficiaries of your "socialist" system. As a professional health care executive, I can attest, from the patient perspective as well as the health care professional perspective, there is no better model for providing comprehensive health care and containing costs, which will rise under any system.

It's ignorance and callous disregard for others that would lead one to believe otherwise. You've got yours and to hell with everyone else, right?

So, what's your empirical experience on this topic that would lead you to a different conclusion?
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:05 PM   #10
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In a country the size, population, and cultural diversity of the USA, considering demographics, geographical, and cultural differences, mandates at the federal level concerning health care, education, nutritional allowances, housing, etc. are just a bad fucking idea.

And as Amen-ed before, "What has the government not fucked up?"
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:17 PM   #11
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I haven't heard any ideas on other options for the poor & uninsured to obtain medical care.
Can someone please provide a link to them?

Personally I'm happy as hell. My parents are uninsured so when they need help with the cost of their meds, copays, etc., I have to pay for it. I feel for those who don't have family who have the ability to care for them.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:24 PM   #12
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How many of the simple joys in life do they plan to take away?
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:17 PM   #13
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That's funny. During my entire military career and on into my retirement, my family and I have been beneficiaries of your "socialist" system. As a professional health care executive, I can attest, from the patient perspective as well as the health care professional perspective, there is no better model for providing comprehensive health care and containing costs, which will rise under any system.

It's ignorance and callous disregard for others that would lead one to believe otherwise. You've got yours and to hell with everyone else, right?

So, what's your empirical experience on this topic that would lead you to a different conclusion?
Just in case one might get the idea that my health care career has been solely with the federal government, let me add that after my retirement from active duty I had the good fortune to be employed with a private sector not-for-profit HMO as well as with a large investor-owned publicly traded for-profit HMO. The for-profit HMO was (is) far more interested in signing up new enrollees to collect premiums than in offering an adequate provider network for them. The number-one focus was extracting as much profit as possible from the members and squeezing the providers, constantly increasing their patient load and denying routinely costly procedures. I was there. I watched it happen. The executives in every market region who make the most are the sales executives. They are the ones who more most likely to be promoted to SVP positions and executive directors. That's immoral and disgusting.

I love the right wing-nut mantra "get your government hands off my medicare." Here's a news flash: Medicare is a federal single-payer comprehensive health care program that includes the entire private-sector heath care network. The ONLY difference between medicare and a single-payer universal health care system is "age sixty-five and older or those with disabilities."

Those who remain willfully ignorant about health care in this country, those who would deny to their less fortunate neighbors the right to health care , would do well to take off the blinders, educate themselves and read this piece by a Nobel Prize-winning U.S. economist, along with readers' comments:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/op...rssnyt&emc=rss

Again, to the naysayers: what's your alternative?

As for employer-based health insurance: The United States is the only democratic industrialized nation in the entire world to link health insurance one's employment. Why should health insurance be linked to employment? Why should employers foot any of the bill for their employees' health insurance? This is so antiquated as to be laughable.

By the way: Death Panels?! You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own set of facts.
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I can attest, from the patient perspective as well as the health care professional perspective, there is no better model for providing comprehensive health care and containing costs, which will rise under any system.
I work closely with very large hospital and its administrators. They purposefully make thing more expensive. If you ever watch nurses, who are well paid, they spend most of their time in front a computer at the desk. CT and other high tech machines are idle 80%, and so then they have to charge 1000s just to turn them on. If it cost 2000 a day, and you only use it twice, it is $1000 charge. If you use 10 times, it is only a $200. Interdepartmental rivalries cause administrators to make profits on internal transactions, which is only used to fluff their accounts, and pass it to us, build their empire and raise there salaries. There was just an incidence where an elderly person was given way too pain medicine, and had internal bleeding in the abdomen from a botched biopsy, that they went for days doped and not able to complain. Your should see the collective doctors, like a union, lying about to avoid a lawsuit. So I disagree with your statement contain. Under utilization, over medication, excess procedures continues the escalation of health care costs.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:29 AM   #15
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Actually I've had health care ( paid out of my own pocket at 500 bucks a month) since I started this line of work. Being self-employed you CANNOT AFFORD NOT to have health insurance of some sort.


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To: HEALTH, LEGAL AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL EDITORS
SAN FRANCISCO, June 28, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire
"Today the United States Supreme Court delivered a huge victory to nationwide efforts to establish a health care system that works for everyone... in the United States. By upholding the Affordable Care Act (ACA), today's decision delivers on the promise of health care for more than 30 million uninsured Americans. The historic ruling also upheld long-overdue protections for people with HIV and other chronic diseases, including safeguards against denial of coverage or exorbitant premiums for the especially sick, and annual and lifetime coverage limits for people with costly medical conditions.
"For the first time in the history of the epidemic, the ACA will dramatically expand health care access to people previously considered 'uninsurable,' including millions of Americans with HIV/AIDS and other serious illness," said Neil Giuliano, CEO of San Francisco AIDS Foundation. "Today, we move one step closer to having a health care system that supports access to care and treatment that prevent illness and disease progression, rather than a 'sick care system' that promotes disability and illness by limiting coverage options."
The Affordable Care Act will address the failings of the current health care system by expanding Medicaid to all low-income people, creating open, competitive, fair marketplaces for uninsured and underinsured individuals and families to purchase private insurance, and providing subsidies to lower-income individuals to make insurance affordable..."

I believe this is excellent news for the ladies, many of whom, because of the nature of their employment, I speculate do not have affordable health care coverage and as a consequence often wait until they're very ill before seeking costly medical care. By extension, this is good news for clients as well. Healthy providers who can take advantage of affordable preventive health care will pass those advantages on to us in our encounters.

Congratulations to us all for this historic, landmark decision.
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