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CuteOldGuy · 11-23-2011, 12:24 AM

We have a dilemma. The country can't afford four more years of President Obama, but these clowns are as bad or worse. Make the Patriot Act stronger? Are you kidding me?

Only Ron Paul came out against the misnamed Patriot Act. I didn't hear how Huntsman feels.

God help us.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/politi...ate/index.html

waverunner234 · 11-23-2011, 12:33 AM

Agreed

BigLouie · 11-23-2011, 06:25 AM

Guest040616 · 11-23-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

We have a dilemma. The country can't afford four more years of President Obama, but these clowns are as bad or worse. Make the Patriot Act stronger? Are you kidding me?

Only Ron Paul came out against the misnamed Patriot Act. I didn't hear how Huntsman feels.

I agree that Paul and Huntsman are the only two Republican candidates who seem to have a vision for the future of America. The remaining candidates vision seems to be: if Obama is for it, I am against it. I am convinced that neither Paul or Huntsman will win the nomination or even be on the Republican ticket.

Yes, it is sad! Very sad! I will say without hesitation, if any of the remaining "clowns" should end up as the Republican nominee for POTUS, I will vote for a second Obama term. As for the current Prez, I am disappointed in his first term. However, I do not blame it all on him. At the very least, the Republicans in Congress are equally to blame. They have repeatedly rejected and blocked efforts initiated by the Administration to move this country forward. They have done so while offering no plans of their own, other than if the President is for it, they are against it!

Obama has faced a unique set of circumstances in the 3 years since he was elected that no other President in recent memory has been confronted with. Indeed, we still have a very long way to go but I am convinced we are much better off today than we were 3 years ago. When Obama took office, America was on the verge of a total economic meltdown. While many of the posters blame Obama for all of what ails America today, I am realistic enough to know and understand that it is not all the President's fault. However, I will readily admit, I wish we were further along than we are.

waverunner234 · 11-23-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtex

I agree that Paul and Huntsman are the only two Republican candidates who seem to have a vision for the future of America. The remaining candidates only vision seems to be: if Obama is for it, I am against it. I am convinced that neither Paul or Huntsman will win the nomination or even be on the Republican ticket.

Yes, it is sad! Very sad! I will say without hesitation, if any of the remaining "clowns" should end up as the Republican nominee for POTUS, I will vote for a second Obama term. As for the current Prez, I am disappointed in his first term. However, I do not blame it all on him. He has faced a unique set of circumstances in the 3 years since he was elected.

3 years ago today, America was on the verge of a total economic meltdown. While many of the posters blame Obama for all of what ails America today, I am realistic enough to know and understand that it is not all the President's fault. However, I will readily admit, I sure wish we were further along than we are.

Obama could have done a lot better were it comes to creating jobs, he could have done a lot better in his heathcare program to listen and accept ideas from republicans and come to a bipartisan solution but yes I agree, the current GOPPIES are not worth your shit to look at. (Huntsman and Paul are the best but they don't have a chance, Bachmann and Perry are the worst. The bullies with the bibles).

Guest040616 · 11-23-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by waverunner234

Obama could have done a lot better were it comes to creating jobs, he could have done a lot better in his heathcare program to listen and accept ideas from republicans and come to a bipartisan solution but yes I agree, the current GOPPIES are not worth your shit to look at. (Huntsman and Paul are the best but they don't have a chance, Bachmann and Perry are the worst. The bullies with the bibles).

What we do not know is how bad it would have been, had Obama not taken the necessary steps to prevent the economy from total collapse. He did so largely without Republican support! As an example, the Republicans love to criticize the GM bailout but it appears that action alone saved a huge number of high paying, manufacturing jobs in America. What would the unemployment numbers have been had Obama not taken that action. I suspect our economy could have easily veered off course far enough to put us into a depression, as opposed to the deep recession.

It is safe to say that the economy has rebounded to a small degree but many of the factors preventing us from rebounding even further are due to the economic problems in Europe. Yes, it is a complicated mess and there are no easy solutions.

trynagetlaid · 11-23-2011, 08:00 AM

Personally, I think that the beginning of the end was when housing lenders started to include both incomes in a two-income family when determining how much a family could borrow to finance a home. Some of you will remember when only the primary breadwinner's income was considered. After that change was made, families who were quite comfortable with 1600 sf, 1 or 1-1/2 bath basic plain vanilla homes all had to upgrade to 2600 sf, 2 or 2-1/2 bath, luxury 'dream' homes. Why? To keep up with the 'Joneses', greed, it was a guaranteed safe investment, etc, etc.

This led to the housing boom, homes appreciated, and people borrowed against that appreciated value (home-equity loans) to finance other excesses and frivolities. In short, we were all living way beyond our means, not saving any money, and just plain becoming fat and lazy. The bubble burst and the rest is history.

Bush II's two ill-advised wars and tax cuts for the rich didn't help any, but we were all so caught up in the housing boom, and our feelings were so hurt by 9/11, that very few strongly objected.

This is not a Republican or Democratic crisis; it is an American crisis. And it really doesn't matter who's occupying the White House, we will all need to make sacrifices and become less greedy in order for this great nation to survive. I have already downsized and simplified my life considerably, and not forcibly. How many of you have considered doing the same?

Guest040616 · 11-23-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

This is not a Republican or Democratic crisis; it is an American crisis. And it really doesn't matter who's occupying the White House, we will all need to make sacrifices and become less greedy in order for this great nation to survive. I have already downsized and simplified my life considerably, and not forcibly. How many of you have considered doing the same?

Very well said!

Fast Gunn · 11-23-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

This led to the housing boom, homes appreciated, and people borrowed against that appreciated value (home-equity loans) to finance other excesses and frivolities. In short, we were all living way beyond our means, not saving any money, and just plain becoming fat and lazy. The bubble burst.

Bush II's two ill-advised wars and tax cuts for the rich didn't help any, but we were all so caught up in the housing boom, and our feelings were so hurt by 9/11, that very few strongly objected.

This is not a Republican or Democratic crisis; it is an American crisis.

You are basically correct, tgl, but I would say the situation if more of a global crisis than just an American one. Europe is going through convulsions just trying to stay intact.

Too many things went wrong in the world at once and the idiot from Crawford we had at the helm only made a very bad situation much, much worse with unnecessary wars and moronic tax cuts that only made the rich even richer.

Mistakes of that magnitude are not magically wiped away in 3 years as some have foolishly suggested, such serious damage may take generations to correct.

President Obama may have not been as effective as he could have been if he had even a modicum of cooperation in Washington.

If the Republicans had a candidate that I felt would take us in the right direction, I would support him, but that is only a very weak field of inept clowns.

Right now, I believe that the best hope for America's future is still President Obama and I will strongly support him in the coming election and hope that he wins by a landslide to show the world he has a strong mandate to lead the country back to peace and prosperity.

CuteOldGuy · 11-23-2011, 08:56 AM

Well, it certainly looks like President Obama will be re-elected. Let's meet back here in four years and review where we are. If we are better off, I will buy each one of you a drink. If we are worse off, or if it is still Bush's fault, you guys owe me an evening of lap dances. Fair?

Iaintliein · 11-23-2011, 09:17 AM

A gridlocked Obama (assuming the Clintons actually allow him to run again), unable to hurt the country except by supreme court nominees, may in fact, be the lessor of two evils vs statists like Romney, Gingrich, Huntsman and Perry, or religious nuts like Bachman.

I disagree with a lot of what Paul says about islamoficism, but otherwise, he's pretty much the only chance to get back to the Constitution. Cain might or might not be an improvement, but what he's said about the 2nd amendment, SEIU and China is more than enough to make him worse than Paul. Yet so many "party above principle" republicans bash Paul relentlessly.

Guest040616 · 11-23-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, it certainly looks like President Obama will be re-elected. Let's meet back here in four years and review where we are. If we are better off, I will buy each one of you a drink. If we are worse off, or if it is still Bush's fault, you guys owe me an evening of lap dances. Fair?

Fair enough!

Doove · 11-23-2011, 09:31 AM

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the current crop of Republican candidates is fostered by the insistence of the Republican base that its candidate be willing to fill the airwaves with the same sort of silly, inane rhetoric reminiscent of the Obama hatred that takes place in here.

Guest040616 · 11-23-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Doove

........inane rhetoric reminiscent of the Obama hatred that takes place in here.

There is value in everything, sometimes you just have to search for it. If nothing else the idiots running for the Republican Presidential nomination along with their followers in this forum provide a tremendous amount of entertainment for us all.

Marshall · 11-23-2011, 09:40 AM

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We have a dilemma. The country can't afford four more years of President Obama, but these clowns are as bad or worse. Make the Patriot Act stronger? Are you kidding me?

Only Ron Paul came out against the misnamed Patriot Act. I didn't hear how Huntsman feels.

God help us.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/politi...ate/index.html

CuteOldGay, you are the bird brain of Alcatraz............

FUNNY HOW THE OBAMUNISTS WANT TO PICK OUR CANDIDATE FOR US......EVEN IF THE REPUBLICANS NOMINATED HUNTSMAN OR RUPAUL, YOU LIBERAL FILTH WOULD STILL SUCK ODUMBO'S COCK.......

<---typical scum like bigmex or BigLougie opening their mouth
so Odumbo can drop a big cum-load in their mouths